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Who is best for the gun vote?

longwatch

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So the premise is a vote for Paul = Guiliani, and that Thompson was a better candidate to concentrate the gun vote on. Discuss, or does anyone think like me at the primary level it is best to vote your principles and by doing so it pulls the field toward your perspective? Especially in a case like Dr. Paul who may be the most progun candidate in the Republican field, although Huckabee is a very progun guy too.
 

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There are far too many factors involved to develop a foolproof "strategy". Surveys and polls represent a very skewed version of the American population, and on controversial topics like these, many people probably aren't going to make a decision until the last minute, and even that decision will probably be influenced by a particular emotion or sentiment on that particular day.

Instead of all this strategizin', I've got to go with the "vote for who you think will do the best job".
 

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This is true unless you have NRA level influence or are running a campaign, this is mostly an academic exercise at least for national politics.
 

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All of these stupid theories about voting "strategy" is BS. These arguments have been used in the past and they amount to nothing come election time. Now I'll be the first one to admit that I don't trust the electorial colleges. But not voting for your choice because someone says its wrong and a vote for someone else is so silly I can't properly wrap my mind around the concepts. Why don't you go off if we don't vote for Ron Paul Tomahawk is going to vote for Hillary. Isn't that reason enough to vote RP?
 

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Longwatch, I hope not to take the thread off-topic but my premise here is that voting for anyone other than Dr. Paul is a vote for CFR policy. CFR policy is to disarm America, destroy the Constitution and establsih the New World Order. Our guns stand in their way.

All the candidates, democratic and republican are CFR members, except Dr. Ron Paul. The CFR wants to disarm America sooner rather than later but they are willing to take their time. They don't care if it takes decades. I believe Hillary would get them there sooner than another CFR candidate.

The CFR policies filter down to all our govt.

Here is their own publication talking about how great it would be if America had guns banned. I see a vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul as a vote for thinking like this.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/5246/what_if_bush_were_as_eager_to_control_guns_as_wmd.html

Here's a couple of quotes from the article.
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After all, it is only within the borders of the US that the government can realistically corner the market on force. And the need for such a monopoly has never been greater than today, as the recent sniper attacks have made tragically clear.

Stanching the flow of firearms in America would be a crucial first step in this direction. And yet the Bush administration - though ready to go to war to disarm rogue nations - allows itself to be outgunned by rogue citizens in its own backyard.

Consider the Bushmaster rifle used by the Beltway snipers. Billed as the civilian version of the M-16, this gun rivals anything used by police. It's the domestic equivalent of chemical weapons: a relatively cheap and portable tool than can wreak havoc and inflict great harm on a more powerful opponent.

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So any of the candiadtes other than Dr. Paul is going to have these folks doing a little more than whispering in their ear.
 

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No NAU wrote:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5246/what_if_bush_were_as_eager_to_control_guns_as_wmd.html

Here's a quote from the article.

Consider the Bushmaster rifle used by the Beltway snipers. Billed as the civilian version of the M-16, this gun rivals anything used by police. It's the domestic equivalent of chemical weapons: a relatively cheap and portable tool than can wreak havoc and inflict great harm on a more powerful opponent.

I own one of these "domestic equivalent of chemical weapons" and I think it is safe to say that my 4000 pound 300 horsepower Lincoln is FAR more deadly than my Bushmaster. Just think of how many people I could "wreak havoc and inflict great harm on" with ANY automobile vs a rifle. $60 could buy me 200 rounds of .223 or a full tank of premium. Which do you think could go further?

:monkeyRON PAUL! :monkey :cuss: CFR :cuss:
 

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Thundar wrote:
Harder question: Who is better for the 2A Rudi or Bill Richardson?
Richardson, hands down. Rudy scares the living hell outta me...
 

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I can’t believe that you don’t like Rudy!!! I mean, how could you be against a socialist with fascist tendencies; a democrat dressed in republican clothes. Rudy use to be a U.S. Attorney who would sell his mother down the river to get a conviction against his grandmother for not putting a quarter in a parking meter.

You think Hilary will be bad for gun control, Rudy will use the Patriot Act to come into your home, when you are not at home, using secrete search warrants, and take your guns and ammo.

I don’t know how you could not love a guy like this.
 

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Ron Paul.

Lets explain why:

Thompson's campaign is collapsing and his fundraising is dead in the water. Not to mention he favored the 1994 AW ban if you remember that far back. He has since changed that position, but iMO once a 'banner' always a banner.

Paul is #3 in the money and the only candidate to post increases in not just fundraising but polling numbers every signle quarter. Momentum. Keep that in mind, Clinton was polling about where Paul was back in his first run and had no where near as much money, bush was a similar story.

No need to discuss rudy, he filed the first lawsuit against gun manufacturers, fought FOR the 94 AW ban and wants to license ALL handgun owners and register ALL handguns.

Romney? The ultra lib from mass? He signed off on the MA AW ban. He HATES guns. Period.

Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a federal restriction on firearms. EVER. He has introduced sveral peices of legislation that would restore our Rights.

Setting aside the gun issue, The ONLY way to beat hitlery in 2008 is by running a candidate who can beat her. Rudy and Romney? No way. Conservatives and many gun owners will just stay home or vote third party rather than cast a vote for eitehr of them.

IMO Ron Paul is the inly republican who can beat the dems in 08. He'll hold the republican base AND get the crucial liberterian vote. That typical 2-3% (which I think will be higher this year if rudy or romney gets the nod) will be the edge it takes to win.

Keep in mind that 77% of Americans now want out of Iraq. I don't care if you agree or not. Thats the facts. A pro-war neo con cannot win in 2008. Period.

That means we get a dolt who is very weak on national security (like hitlery or obamma) or we gtet Ron Paul who will end the war in Iraq, but who WILL continue the hunt for bin laden (rememebr him?) and is very strong on national defense and the crucial BORDER security.

Thompson is just like rudy in supporting mccains 'guest worker program' aka AMNESTY. I want someone who is 100% pro gun and who wants to compeltely seal the borders. THAT is why I want Paul. He and I don't see 100% eye to eye on Iraq, but I'd rather be out of Iraq and have all my guns and sealed border that in iraq and no guns, open borders and half out of iraq.
 

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WhiteFeather wrote:
Why don't you go off if we don't vote for Ron Paul Tomahawk is going to vote for Hillary. Isn't that reason enough to vote RP?

I'll do it, I tell ya!

voting_machine_joke.jpg
 

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USAF_MetalChris wrote:
Thundar wrote:
Harder question: Who is better for the 2A Rudi or Bill Richardson?
Richardson, hands down. Rudy scares the living hell outta me...
Jeez! Your first sentence is an exact match for what I was about to type, word for word!

Giuliani is the perfect storm of hatred for individual liberty.

Fanatically anti-gun + no limits on police action = dictatorship

Giuliani would be the American Pinochet. No thanks.
 

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Prometheus wrote:
Ron Paul.

Lets explain why:

Thompson's campaign is collapsing and his fundraising is dead in the water. Not to mention he favored the 1994 AW ban if you remember that far back. He has since changed that position, but iMO once a 'banner' always a banner.

Paul is #3 in the money and the only candidate to post increases in not just fundraising but polling numbers every signle quarter. Momentum. Keep that in mind, Clinton was polling about where Paul was back in his first run and had no where near as much money, bush was a similar story.

No need to discuss rudy, he filed the first lawsuit against gun manufacturers, fought FOR the 94 AW ban and wants to license ALL handgun owners and register ALL handguns.

Romney? The ultra lib from mass? He signed off on the MA AW ban. He HATES guns. Period.

Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a federal restriction on firearms. EVER. He has introduced sveral peices of legislation that would restore our Rights.

Setting aside the gun issue, The ONLY way to beat hitlery in 2008 is by running a candidate who can beat her. Rudy and Romney? No way. Conservatives and many gun owners will just stay home or vote third party rather than cast a vote for eitehr of them.

IMO Ron Paul is the inly republican who can beat the dems in 08. He'll hold the republican base AND get the crucial liberterian vote. That typical 2-3% (which I think will be higher this year if rudy or romney gets the nod) will be the edge it takes to win.

Keep in mind that 77% of Americans now want out of Iraq. I don't care if you agree or not. Thats the facts. A pro-war neo con cannot win in 2008. Period.

That means we get a dolt who is very weak on national security (like hitlery or obamma) or we gtet Ron Paul who will end the war in Iraq, but who WILL continue the hunt for bin laden (rememebr him?) and is very strong on national defense and the crucial BORDER security.

Thompson is just like rudy in supporting mccains 'guest worker program' aka AMNESTY. I want someone who is 100% pro gun and who wants to compeltely seal the borders. THAT is why I want Paul. He and I don't see 100% eye to eye on Iraq, but I'd rather be out of Iraq and have all my guns and sealed border that in iraq and no guns, open borders and half out of iraq.
I'd worry about Paul's unwholesome associations, but it doesn't matter. He's got as much chance of getting the nomination as I do, nevermind winning the general election.

He's the Republican Kucinich, merely a sometimes entertaining distraction.
 

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Deanimator wrote:
I'd worry about Paul's unwholesome associations, but it doesn't matter.  He's got as much chance of getting the nomination as I do, nevermind winning the general election.

He's the Republican Kucinich, merely a sometimes entertaining distraction.

You've been watching too much Faux News. Ron Paul is the one. If the MSM gave him as much airtime as the other candidates it would be a landslide.

Also, I'm not sure what "unwholesome associations" you're talking about? It's all the other major candidates that are the members of the C.F.R. If you wanna merge the US with Canada and Mexico then go right ahead and vote for one the C.F.R. puppets.
 

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You've been watching too much Faux News. Ron Paul is the one. If the MSM gave him as much airtime as the other candidates it would be a landslide.

Also, I'm not sure what "unwholesome associations" you're talking about? It's all the other major candidates that are the members of the C.F.R. If you wanna merge the US with Canada and Mexico then go right ahead and vote for one the C.F.R. puppets.

Hi qednick,

Looks like you are in Texas. How's that CFR project for the new superhighway coming? The one where, without any vote or congressional oversite, vast tracts of private land in Texas have been awarded to a Spanish company in a no bid contract. The Spanish company then has the ability to charge and regulate tolls on the road for 50 years. There would be no more border between Texas and Mexico. Seems like folks down in TX are rightfully rather upset, as should we all be.

This is what CFR "harmonizing" of the borders is all about. Since all the candidate besides Dr. Paul are CFR member and CFR influenced I don't see any of them stopping the CFR's number one project right now of destroying US sovereignty.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497
 

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I just don't get what you guys like about Ron Paul.



He is a unidimensional ignoramus.



Believe it or not, there are more considerations than one.



Thus we have Fred Thompson







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For the first time in my 55 years, a truly educated, intelligent, principled, MORAL constitutionalist is campaigning for the presidency. There has never been a better man for the job and millions of Amerikans haven't the presence of mind to recognize him as "the one." As a much younger man, I often wondered how Jesus Christ could stand in the synagogues and streets of Jerusalem, tell the Jews " I am He whom you seek" and the Jews killed Him. Seems we have the same caliber of folk today.
 

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Ron Paul is not only the best Republican candidate, but he's the only Republican who has a snowball's chance in hell of winning against a Democrat after Bush's last 7 years. Conservatives love him, independents love him, hell even many Democrats love him. What other candidate is willing to give you a 30% raise in your salary and get the IRS off your back?

I think in a Paul vs. Clinton election, Ron Paul would win by a landslide. He's got my vote, regardless of who the Republican party nominates.
 
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