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DMV license issue question

Spudstr

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So I recently moved from ashburn to reston this month and just went to the DMV and updated my license. As you all know theres a gun show at dulles expo next weekend and my girlfriend and I were planning on going and purchasing our new babies.

Well according to the VA state police it says we can not buy unless its been 60 days of issuing the IDs?

The primary form of identification shall consist of a valid photo-identification form issued by a governmental agency of the Commonwealth or of the prospective purchaser’s home state that denotes the purchaser’s name, sex, date of birth, and address. Where the primary form of identification is a photo-identification issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles, the date of issuance must exceed sixty (60) days from the date of new issue or duplicate issue unless the prospective purchaser also presents a copy of his/her Department of Motor Vehicles driver's record showing that the original date of issue exceeds sixty (60) days.

Since I just updated my license does this mean I can goto the DMV pickup a copy of my driving record and this will work? On my ID it says ISSUED REI then 11-03-2007

And yes I do plan on OCing :) Great forum guys You'll see me around.
 

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Take in your vehicle registration that has the prior address. The issue date will show you have lived in Virginia more than 60 days from the date it was issued.
 

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I just called up Loudoun Guns Inc, and asked. They said it requires to have the new license for 30 days. I asked about gun shows.. he said well.. maybe because gun shows are more lenient I could probably purchase there.

So Would old registration + new license + passport be enough?
 

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Spudstr wrote:
I just called up Loudoun Guns Inc, and asked. They said it requires to have the new license for 30 days. I asked about gun shows.. he said well.. maybe because gun shows are more lenient I could probably purchase there.

So Would old registration + new license + passport be enough?
I cannot say for sure... I am not a FFL dealer. Maybe another here can advise.

I would think that the NEW license meant new to the state and issued. Not for reissued license for one that was about to expire or was reissued.

I think you have to show proof of residency and if you have lived here all your life.... why does this cause you to be denied.
 

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Check the rules. I believe many dealers want a driver license because it's convenient, but two forms of ID, one of which has a photo, and which have the same address (or proof thereof). I'll try to research later this evening.

When I moved and updated my DL (on line; it's much easier); the DMV sent me a card showing I had updated it, and it sufficed for "the same exact address." I kept it with my license, and was able to use that license to purchase a firearm. Of course, the issue date was older.

ETA: I found this on the Nation's Gun Show site: http://www.thenationsgunshow.com/

[font="trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica"]VA Residents: Must be of legal age to purchase a firearm. Must have two (2) forms of ID with the same exact address. One ID should be a valid VA Driver's License or VA ID Card. The other ID can be a document that proves you are VA resident...a concealed carry permit, a personal check , a vehicle registration, utility bill...you can also use a hunting/fishing license...which ever form of ID you use for your 2nd ID it must have the same exact address as your driver's license. You must fill out the paperwork and pass the background check, you can then take your firearm with you. [/font][font="trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica"]NON-VA Residents: Must be of legal age to purchase a firearm. Can only purchase long guns (rifles and shotguns) and must have the same forms of ID as VA residents. Driver's License from your State of residence and another ID that proves you live in that State. ALL LAWS OF BOTH STATES MUST BE COMPLIED WITH. You must fill out the paperwork and pass the background check, you can then take your firearm with you. [/font]
[font="trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica"]Military Personnel: Must bring a copy of your orders that show VA as your "permanent duty station." Must have your Military ID and your Driver's License from the State you are from.[/font]
 

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You don't even have to have a license. Just take your passport and a second ID like your voter registration card.

Expect some resistance and thank Mayor Bloomburb for it!
 

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Spudstr wrote:
SNIP I just called up Loudoun Guns Inc, and asked. They said it requires to have the new license for 30 days. I asked about gun shows.. he said well.. maybe because gun shows are more lenient I could probably purchase there.
This probably isn't the sort of second-hand, un-educated report we want to forward onto a public forum where Brady and Jim Sollo can use it against us. Even if we know it is incorrect.

I've not encountered any leniency at gun shows. The last firearm I purchased at a gun show, the dealer adhered to the letter of the law, nearly refusing the transaction because it was very close to the end of the last day and he did not want to be delayed packing and leaving, which thebackround check would possibly have done. I held my breath, he thought it over, and stayed a little late to wait for me to fill out all the paperwork,get the computerized check before making the sale. Yes, he did check the date on my gov't issued photo ID.
 

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I've not encountered any leniency at gun shows. The last firearm I purchased at a gun show, the dealer adhered to the letter of the law, nearly refusing the transaction because it was very close to the end of the last day and he did not want to be delayed by the backround check. I held my breath, he thought it over, and stayed a little late to wait for me to fill out all the paperwork, get the computerized check before making the sale. Yes, he did check the date on my gov't issued photo ID.

I have the same opinion but especially since the Blumborg problem, they've been extra careful. That's why I told him to expect resistance.

The ATF apparently has been on a rampage too. I was talking to Bob (the gun manager) at the Glen Allen Gander Mountain day before last. BTW, he's a retired LEO and a hell of a nice fellow. He told me ATF had been auditing the Va stores and writing them up for anything they can find. If a buyer abbreviates anything, including their state, they get written up for it.

That's why I was there as amatter of fact. The wife bought a shotgun and answered no in a spot where it should have been blank. They sent a certified letter. Bob said it was required bt ATF.
Things sure have changed since I had my FFL.:(
 

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I thought the FOPA of '86 was supposed to fix all the abuse of dealers by the ATF?

What was that? A law didn't work? ;)
 

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This is why I just get a change of address card from the DMV.

You DL has the issue date, the change of address card has the new address, with their powers combined, they are a DL with a new address and an old issue date.

Then I just take my power bill with me.

That, and it's free! :celebrate
 

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Here is the relevant Virginia code:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.2C2
When the photo-identification presented to a dealer by the prospective purchaser is a driver's license or other photo-identification issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles, and such identification form contains a date of issue, the dealer shall not, except for a renewed driver's license or other photo-identification issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles, sell or otherwise transfer a firearm to the prospective purchaser until 30 days after the date of issue of an original or duplicate driver's license unless the prospective purchaser also presents a copy of his Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles driver's record showing that the original date of issue of the driver's license was more than 30 days prior to the attempted purchase.

The best people to call on this is the Virginia Firearms Transaction Center helpline.
(804) 674-2292
 

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Good gracious people stop all the f'ing guessing.

Your REI is good to go! Just make sure you have 2d ID with your new address, Car registration, utility bill, lease, voters card......what is acceptable 2d ID can vary from dealer to dealer if it isn't one of the 'common' ones.

Original-ORI and Duplicate-DUP, you must wait 30 days.

A Passport and a second ID WILL NOT get you a gun in Va.
a driver's license or other photo-identification issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles

dealer must require any prospective purchaser to present one photo-identification form issued by a governmental agency of the Commonwealth
Aside from DMV there are not many, if any, agencies of the Commonwealth that issue photo ID with an address on it.

The 'Helpline' is not very helpful but you can try. They do not know jack shit. They have NEVER been able to answer any of my questions.
 

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Well I guess YMMV because I've had better luck with them, OTOH they have had said some rediculous stuff too.
 

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Good gracious people stop all the f'ing guessing. Your REI is good to go! Just make sure you have 2d ID with your new address, Car registration, utility bill, lease, voters card......what is acceptable 2d ID can vary from dealer to dealer if it isn't one of the 'common' ones. Original-ORI and Duplicate-DUP, you must wait 30 days.
well thats good news. I wonder how many FFL's know this. the one i spoke with on the phone made it out that I really had to wait 30 days.
 

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A Passport and a second ID WILL NOT get you a gun in Va.
Never mind. It's OK for the Federal end but the state only takes the passport as secondary. Damn, I'm glad I didn't have to fool with the state forms when I had my FFL. What a pain!
 

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I just did and changed my post! Odd that the state makes it more restrictive than the Federal.
 

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peter nap wrote:
I just did and changed my post! Odd that the state makes it more restrictive than the Federal.

Yes. But a handy argument against the anti-s who claim it is so easy to buy a gun in VA.

Our SuperModerator did some research back about the time of the Bloomberg Gun GiveAway. He ranked VA sixth from the most restrictive state, I think. That means there are 44 states that are less restrictive on firearms than VA. I think I got that right.

Mike, correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Called the help line. They said I still have to wait the 30 days regardless a REI or DUP, no DMV record to help nothing Just have to wait. Even though the law says a DMV record would work.. unless thats only for Duplicates and not re-issues due to address changes.
 

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Spudstr wrote:
Called the help line. They said I still have to wait the 30 days regardless a REI or DUP, no DMV record to help nothing Just have to wait. Even though the law says a DMV record would work.. unless thats only for Duplicates and not re-issues due to address changes.

Spudstr - First, Welcome! :celebrate

On the bright side, you'll have more $$ for the next show :D
 
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