joshmmm
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So this morning I was driving in the Pioneer square area to go retrieve my cell phone that I had left on the bus the night before. I inadvertantly entered a crosswalk while a pedestrian was in it. An officer saw this and stopped me.
I, being the nice guy I am, decided to inform the officer that I had a weapon on my right hip and that I had a CPL. He had me put my hands on the dash and hecalled for backup. Boy did those guys show up quickly! Sirens and all on two motorcycles!
He had me put my hands out the window, while the other officers stood and watched (no guns drawn, thankfully!). He had me get out of the car while keeping my hands out the window (very odd maneuver).
He then removed my Glock from my hip. He began to frisk me. I informed him I had a BUG in my front pocket. He removed my Kel Tec. He unloaded both (removed mag and chambered round) onto the pavement.
He then had me stand on the outside of my vehicle, between his car and my Jeep, while he wrote up the citation. (obviously he asked for my ID and CPL.)
He then informed me that he was going to search my car for any other weapons and that I could not refuse the search for officer safety. I then informed him of my third pistol's location in my car. He was very condescending about the fact I had three guns in my vehicle--I explained that each had seperate purposes and that I usually carry one or two, but like to have the option of which one(s) at different times.
He then told me to put my hands behind my back. I asked him why and, while cuffing me, explained that he can cuff me without arresting for officer safety while he searches my vehicle.
He then removed my third gun, inventoried my backpack (including holding up some money for the dash cam to show he didn't take any).
He then removed the handcuffs, handed me the citation, put the guns (unloaded) into the rear of the Jeep and placed all my ammo next to the guns (once again, showing each item to the dash cam.)
He then told me that I had to drive away (how far didn't matter) before I could reload.
All in all, he was very very polite and kind and I understand the need for officer safety. He told me to lookup a case, but I couldn't find it and can't remember the exact name he said. He told me his searches were justified based on it. He gave me his name and his seargent's name/number as well.
What do you all make of this incident? I never consented to the search, and he basically told me that a warrantless search was justified for officer safety to ensure no gun was within reach when I got back into the car. I was polite and cooperative, kept my hands in plain sight the whole time. It was rather embarassing spending 20 minutes sitting handcuffed on a curb in pioneer square, but, of course I was not breaking any laws (other then the crosswalk infraction I was cited for), so he let me go.
This happened this morning around 10:40.
So this morning I was driving in the Pioneer square area to go retrieve my cell phone that I had left on the bus the night before. I inadvertantly entered a crosswalk while a pedestrian was in it. An officer saw this and stopped me.
I, being the nice guy I am, decided to inform the officer that I had a weapon on my right hip and that I had a CPL. He had me put my hands on the dash and hecalled for backup. Boy did those guys show up quickly! Sirens and all on two motorcycles!
He had me put my hands out the window, while the other officers stood and watched (no guns drawn, thankfully!). He had me get out of the car while keeping my hands out the window (very odd maneuver).
He then removed my Glock from my hip. He began to frisk me. I informed him I had a BUG in my front pocket. He removed my Kel Tec. He unloaded both (removed mag and chambered round) onto the pavement.
He then had me stand on the outside of my vehicle, between his car and my Jeep, while he wrote up the citation. (obviously he asked for my ID and CPL.)
He then informed me that he was going to search my car for any other weapons and that I could not refuse the search for officer safety. I then informed him of my third pistol's location in my car. He was very condescending about the fact I had three guns in my vehicle--I explained that each had seperate purposes and that I usually carry one or two, but like to have the option of which one(s) at different times.
He then told me to put my hands behind my back. I asked him why and, while cuffing me, explained that he can cuff me without arresting for officer safety while he searches my vehicle.
He then removed my third gun, inventoried my backpack (including holding up some money for the dash cam to show he didn't take any).
He then removed the handcuffs, handed me the citation, put the guns (unloaded) into the rear of the Jeep and placed all my ammo next to the guns (once again, showing each item to the dash cam.)
He then told me that I had to drive away (how far didn't matter) before I could reload.
All in all, he was very very polite and kind and I understand the need for officer safety. He told me to lookup a case, but I couldn't find it and can't remember the exact name he said. He told me his searches were justified based on it. He gave me his name and his seargent's name/number as well.
What do you all make of this incident? I never consented to the search, and he basically told me that a warrantless search was justified for officer safety to ensure no gun was within reach when I got back into the car. I was polite and cooperative, kept my hands in plain sight the whole time. It was rather embarassing spending 20 minutes sitting handcuffed on a curb in pioneer square, but, of course I was not breaking any laws (other then the crosswalk infraction I was cited for), so he let me go.
This happened this morning around 10:40.
