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    This may seem like a silly question but do mostof youcarry, concealed or open, with one in the hole ready to fire? I ask because I had this strange uncomfortable feeling the other day when I loaded my pistol cocked and locked it and remembered there was no manual trigger safety on it(SA XD). Obviously if the need arises to use the gun it will take seconds more to cock it as well as two hands, which in the wrong situatuation may prove detrimental. But on the other hand it does feel a little less safe beimg ready to fire with automatic safeties. Any input or opinion would be appreciated.

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    I carry a Springfield XD9 4" service model almost daily with one in the chamber. As long as you have a holster that covers the trigger, you shouldn't have any problems.
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" - George Washington
    "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." - Mahatma Gandhi

    As always, insert standard IANAL disclaimer here.

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    I usually OC, a SW Sigma 9mm, usually charged, not always.

    When I do CC, it is always chargd and ready to go.

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    Some will disagree, and their welcome to. However, I'm a firm believer that if you're going to carrya handgun for SD it needs to be read to fire the instant you clear leather. The arguement, "but I can draw and rack the slide in XZY seconds" holds no water. Regardless of how fast a person can draw and rack the slide, that same about of time could be used putting round on target. That fraction of time could make all the difference in the world.

    Its sort of a natural feeling for carrying with one in teh pipe to give you the willies at fisrt, but I assure you the gun won't fire on its own. And remember, your XD has a grip safety. If you use a quality that covers the trigger, you have nothing to worry about.

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    I always have one in the chamber.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    I am a strong believer in carryin one in the pipe. As for the lack of a "safety", keeping the "nose groomer" off the trigger is step #1.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    When I first bought my GLOCKI was very hesitant on carry in condition zero. The first few times all I could think about was a loaded gun on my hip that had no manual saftey. After awhile you don't even think about it. A good holster is key. Get rid of that holster you got with the XD and get a Serpa if you haven't already. A gun isn't going to fire unless YOU pull the trigger or a horrible, horrible holster and your clothing some how snags it. Which would be slim of happening, but I've seen stranger.

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    When I carry my P89 there is always one in the pipe with the safety one. I can sweep the safety off as I draw, I may start carrying with the safety off, but mainly worry about having to use my weapon and having some dumbass prosecutor make a big deal about "the safety being off" The damn thing is there for my safety not the safety of the person I am pointing the gun at.

    When I carry my revolver, the condition speaks for itself.



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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    When I carry my P89 there is always one in the pipe with the safety one. I can sweep the safety off as I draw, I may start carrying with the safety off, but mainly worry about having to use my weapon and having some dumbass prosecutor make a big deal about "the safety being off" The damn thing is there for my safety not the safety of the person I am pointing the gun at.

    When I carry my revolver, the condition speaks for itself.



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    How do you figure the prosecutor would know the safety was off? The only way I could figure is video evidence, otherwise I think that would be very hard for any witness to notice or to look for amid a shooting.


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    openryan wrote:
    How do you figure the prosecutor would know the safety was off? The only way I could figure is video evidence, otherwise I think that would be very hard for any witness to notice or to look for amid a shooting.
    I tend to honestly answer most questions asked. I do not think it would be an issue, Washington laws are pretty solid, but I lived two years in San Diego, and the thinking habits of down there are still a bit too deeply engraved. *sigh*

    At any rate it is the sort of stupid things people have been known to blow out of proportion.



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    +1 Amlevin

    Trigger finger is your number one safety.

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    Mine is always loaded when I’m carrying it, and that means there’s one in the chamber and the magazine is full.

    Why would anyone carry in a condition that requires two hands to make operable? If I need one hand to hold a person off, how would I chamber a round?

    If you’re uncomfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, then by all means don’t, but be aware of the limitations.

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    Remember that the action of racking a round into the chamber from the slide closed / full magazine position is the most likely way to jam your gun especially in a heat of the moment panic situation. You are much more likely to either short stroke the slide and not pick up the round out of the magazine or ride the slide forward, ( this, even if you only barely ride it forward, will cause the round to not seat fully into the chamberandjamalmost everypistol ) I would say in a real situation ( or even a realistic training situation ) the likelihood of jamming your pistol in a maneuver like this is about 70%, not good odds. I always carry with one in the pipe and I rely on the safeties built into the guns I carry and a good holster to keep me safe.

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    Keep one in the pipe but keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you NEED it to go bang.

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    I carry a SA XD .45 Service. It is carried 1 in the pipe and ready to go. If you ever need to use the weapon, it better be ready to go when you pull it out.

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    When I carry one of the 1911s it is always cocked and locked. All mycarry revolvers are double action, so there is a full load in the cylinder.

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    krazichinaman wrote:
    I carry a SA XD .45 Service. It is carried 1 in the pipe and ready to go. If you ever need to use the weapon, it better be ready to go when you pull it out.
    A gun that is not FULL is already partly empty.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    eBratt wrote:
    I carry a Springfield XD9 4" service model almost daily with one in the chamber.
    Same here. I practice good muzzle and trigger control, so I don't have any fears about a negligent discharge. While you could theoretically draw and rack the gun very quickly, the half second you spend could mean the difference between life and death.

    One in the chamber and a full magazine. Always.

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    If you're not comfortable carrying a loaded gun, then maybe you should seek some more training and information.

    I also carry a SA XD .45 compact with one in the chamber and a full mag. Everything about the gun is designed to be carried this way as it provides the fastest and most effective way of deploying your weapon in a defensive situation.

    Use good judgement and a good holster, and you should be fine.

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    I carry a full-sized service pistol, one in the pipe, safety on, decocked. All I have to do is draw, flick off the safety (which can be done while drawing,) aim, shoot.
    I'll leave the Israeli carry to the Israeli's

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    gregma wrote:
    I'll leave the Israeli carry to the Israeli's
    Besides, you have to be able to read the instructions from Right to Left
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    vmathis12019 wrote:
    If you're not comfortable carrying a loaded gun, then maybe you should seek some more training and information.
    AMEN !

    You need to use my SHOW philosophy.

    • Practice Safe
    • Practice Hard
    • Practice Often
    • Practice Wisely



    The biggest problem with carrying an automatic with an empty chamber is that it takes TWO hands to chamber a round quickly. So if you have one hand fending off an attcker you have a problem. And what if your other hand was holding your child or other loved one, that's whenyou'd really wish that chamber was already loaded.







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    gregma wrote:
    I'll leave the Israeli carry to the Israeli's
    Long before there even was a country called Israel, the way the US military carried the 1911A1 was with a loaded magazine and an empty chamber.

    However, whenever a soldier expected to be going "into harms way" they were instructed to load the chamber and apply the safety.



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    BluesBear wrote:
    vmathis12019 wrote:
    If you're not comfortable carrying a loaded gun, then maybe you should seek some more training and information.
    AMEN !

    You need to use my SHOW philosophy.
    • Practice Safe
    • Practice Hard
    • Practice Often
    • Practice Wisely


    The biggest problem with carrying an automatic with an empty chamber is that it takes TWO hands to chamber a round quickly. So if you have one hand fending off an attcker you have a problem. And what if your other hand was holding your child or other loved one, that's whenyou'd really wish that chamber was already loaded.





    LOL, this sounds like it should be an informercial.


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    I carry a 1911, almost always in Condition One (cocked and locked). It felt a little weird at first, but between the grip safety, the thumb safety, and my Serpa retention holster which completely covers the trigger, it has come to feel quite safe to me. Well, as safe as a loaded gun is supposed to feel, anyway. :P

    The only time I'm in "Israeli carry" mode is when I have to ride the bus somewhere -- because I don't yet have my CPL, I have to unload it before getting on the bus. Israeli carry is the only way I can do this without likely running afoul of 9.41.270, by simply discreetly removing the magazine. I'll be putting in my CPL application as soon as I can get to Skagit County on a weekday, so hopefully I shouldn't have to deal with this for very long.

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