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    A new Everett PD cop was just in my shop, he identified himself as a new recruit with Everett PDwho will be graduating from the academy around Thanksgiving. I asked him what kind of training they received in regards to OC. He said that the legality of it was if someone saw you and were scared then it would be illegal. I asked him if this was on grounds of RCW 9.41.270 and he said yeah and then quoted the law as "wears a weapon in a manner that causes alarm" I asked him " Is it taught at the academy that if someone is frightened when they see a gunin a holster on my hip I have broken the law?" He said its kind of a grey area and we would need to see whats going on if someone called and saida person is walking down the street with a gun. I quoted RCW 9.41.270 to him in its entirety and asked " So if I am walking down thestreet minding my own business with a gun locked in its holster have I shown an intent to intimidate another or caused alarm for anyones safety keeping in mind that a gun locked into a holster is incapable of endangering the safety of anyone. He said "no I guess not, but we are taught to look for possible trouble and if you walk down the street in broad daylight with a gun strapped to your hip it is something we would investigate. I meanifyou lived in Texas you could strap on a six shooter and a cowboy hat and walk down the street but this is Washington."I said " Actually in Texas it is illegal to OC" his reply was " well, you know what I mean if someone is scared it is bad and people in Washington get scared by that kind of thing." I informed him that I have been open carrying for over three years and nobody has ever acted scared by it. This surprised him I guess he thought the questions I was asking were just hypothetical and not something I or anyone else would actually dare to do. Pointing to the gun on my hip he asked, "You go walking around like that?!?" when I replied in the affirmative he said well I would advise you to just cover it up you are just asking for trouble from cops. I asked,"aren't cops trained to enforce the law?" he said " Yeah'' I asked so if OC is legal then why would cops harass me when I am not breaking any laws." The conversation was starting to turn into an argument so he decided he needed to go. This frustrates me, They are teaching officers to use fragments of a law taken out of context to harass citizens and try and abolish a perfectly legal practice. My bloods boiling, I gotta go shoot something.. BRB.

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    Very interesting conversation, thanks for sharing. Is there only the one academy in Washington? A letter to the person in charge about OC and how they teach it is in order. Something like that should probably be a group effort, polite and citing all applicable information, training bulletins, etc...

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Very interesting conversation, thanks for sharing. Is there only the one academy in Washington? A letter to the person in charge about OC and how they teach it is in order. Something like that should probably be a group effort, polite and citing all applicable information, training bulletins, etc...

    Steve
    No, there are several academies in Washington. The State Patrol Academy is in Shelton. There is also one in the Seattle area. I don't know about east of the mountains.

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    You should keep a copy of the EVERETT PD Training Bulletin handy.

    That may have changed his argument somewhat

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    Right now there are three. The State Patrol academy, WSCJTC in burien, and an offsite WSCJTC academy at the Everett Navy base.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    The person in charge of all CJTC Facilities and training with the exception of the WSP Academy is Michael Parsons. He's been at the academy for a loooong time.

    His contact information is: Michael Parson, Executive Director, 206-835-7347, mparsons@cjtc.state.wa.us

    The address is:

    Wa St CJTC, 19010 1st Ave S, Burien, WA 98148
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    Right Wing Wacko wrote:
    You should keep a copy of the EVERETT PD Training Bulletin handy.

    That may have changed his argument somewhat
    The problem I see is, It's great that departments are training officers that OC is legal. But when the officers are already brainwashed by the academy that it is illegal they will always be predisposed to view OC'ers with suspicion and harass them.

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    This is the attitude from LEO's just about everywhere. It's like they have this "We're theones who trained 9 whole months at the academy and we're the only ones that can carry openly" attitude. It's kinda like a college professor getting mad atpeople forwearing intelligent looking "school boy glasses". You know, the glasses with the round frames. I can see it now. Professor: "Hey, you can't wear those glasses! They make you look smart! I'm the one who went to school for 8 years and I'm the only one entitled to such privileges!" If you think Washington is bad try Philadelphia, PA!





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    j2l3 wrote:
    The person in charge of all CJTC Facilities and training with the exception of the WSP Academy is Michael Parsons. He's been at the academy for a loooong time.

    His contact information is: Michael Parson, Executive Director, 206-835-7347, mparsons@cjtc.state.wa.us

    The address is:

    Wa St CJTC, 19010 1st Ave S, Burien, WA 98148
    That simplifies things alot!

    So should a group letter be written, or individual sound offs? This is a great chance to (hopefully) fix a few things and I think should be handled with care.

    All training bulletings should be included of course. Court cases as well. What about detailing several of the more "notorious" stops members here have had as well. Do they really want officers making illegal stops? With a bit of luck and some skill we can pull a Barney Fife and "nip it in the bud" (Okay, I couldn't help myself there...)

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    j2l3 wrote:
    The person in charge of all CJTC Facilities and training with the exception of the WSP Academy is Michael Parsons. He's been at the academy for a loooong time.

    His contact information is: Michael Parson, Executive Director, 206-835-7347, mparsons@cjtc.state.wa.us

    The address is:

    Wa St CJTC, 19010 1st Ave S, Burien, WA 98148
    With a bit of luck and some skill we can pull a Barney Fife and "nip it in the bud" (Okay, I couldn't help myself there...)

    Steve
    But Barney wasn't allowed to carry a loaded firearm. :P
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    But Barney wasn't allowed to carry a loaded firearm. :P
    Well, in that case, we must petition Mr. Parson to recognize our right to openly carry goats full of dynamite.

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    Interesting convo, although I am sure the guy was still a bit nervous, let him talk about oc with his fellow officers, next time you see him he will know how to twist the law to his advantage a bit better

    It seems ridiculous, honestly. So many people CC all the time, and some of them do not even know about the legality of OC, and some wouldn't even if they could. If some of these people who are so scared of firearms, moreso the violence they cause in the hands of irresponsible individuals, were to see everyone who cc's, oc for just one day, I think they would have a dramatically different idea of firearm ownership.



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    joeroket wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    j2l3 wrote:
    The person in charge of all CJTC Facilities and training with the exception of the WSP Academy is Michael Parsons. He's been at the academy for a loooong time.

    His contact information is: Michael Parson, Executive Director, 206-835-7347, mparsons@cjtc.state.wa.us

    The address is:

    Wa St CJTC, 19010 1st Ave S, Burien, WA 98148
    With a bit of luck and some skill we can pull a Barney Fife and "nip it in the bud" (Okay, I couldn't help myself there...)

    Steve
    But Barney wasn't allowed to carry a loaded firearm. :P
    Wasn't Barney allowed one bullet, when the going got real bad?

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    LOL He had to keep his bullets in his right breast pocket. There was a time when Andy took all his bullets away and only gave him one when the going got tough because Barney had a ND.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    j2l3 wrote:
    The person in charge of all CJTC Facilities and training with the exception of the WSP Academy is Michael Parsons. He's been at the academy for a loooong time.

    His contact information is: Michael Parson, Executive Director, 206-835-7347, mparsons@cjtc.state.wa.us

    The address is:

    Wa St CJTC, 19010 1st Ave S, Burien, WA 98148
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    LOL He had to keep his bullets in his right breast pocket. There was a time when Andy took all his bullets away and only gave him one when the going got tough because Barney had a ND.
    Andy did let Barney fill it up all the way once, on the episode where the manhunt was going down, and all the state cops had to set up base in town, Andy gave Barney a full load of Ammo, after Barney ND'ed, Andy took it all back.


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    Just ran across this on another forum I frequent...

    http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=216696

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    Agent 47 wrote:
    Right Wing Wacko wrote:
    You should keep a copy of the EVERETT PD Training Bulletin handy.

    That may have changed his argument somewhat
    The problem I see is, It's great that departments are training officers that OC is legal. But when the officers are already brainwashed by the academy that it is illegal they will always be predisposed to view OC'ers with suspicion and harass them.
    There is an old addage in Training. "Those that can do. Those that can't teach". If the training message is faulty no wonder we get the results we do.

    How about a training bulletin for the "Trainers"?
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Sounds a little like the Auburn officer I spoke with at the WAC gunshow.

    See my post "AT THE GUNSHOW"

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    I have to add my own two cents into the situation.

    About a year ago, I was assured that OC was being taught as legal. It appeared that either someone is lying, or something is going on very fishy.

    I'll be following up with my contact at the CJTC.

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    John Hardin wrote:
    Just ran across this on another forum I frequent...

    http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=216696
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    Can we get a cut-n-paste?

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    Honor, racism, service rifles and assault weapons: One black cop's view

    October 6th, 2007
    by Henry "Snake" Bowman

    "Well, you Sons of Bitches, now you know how I feel!"
    -General George S. Patton

    You may not like what I'm going to say here, but the First Amendment is still in effect (at the time
    of the time of this writing) so I'm going to exercise my right to rant: Prepare to get your feathers
    ruffled!

    If you are a uniformed Police Officer of any rank and do not fully, and honorably support the
    pre-existing God given rights enumerated in the 2nd Amendment, you are a disgrace to your Badge and
    your oath of office to protect and serve. The citizens of the United States of America deserve
    better than you. You should not be allowed the honor of public service as a sworn peace officer of
    the law. Taking a contrary, selective position to the Constitution means you are not following the
    supreme law of the land and are, in fact, endangering the safety of yourself, your fellow officers,
    and the public you are sworn to protect. This dishonor is increased if you support any (so- called)
    "Police Fraternal Organization" that aligns itself with groups seeking to infringe, limit, or
    destroy the 2nd Amendment (Such as "Handgun Control Incorporated," etc). This dishonor is increased
    if you support any State or Federal Attorney General, Legislator (Politician); or local Government
    body that have de facto reneged on their sworn oath to "Protect and defend the Constitution against
    all enemies, foreign or domestic." For these individuals (by endorsing "gun control") have become
    the "domestic enemies" embodied in that oath.

    If this description fits you, know that I consider you to have no honor and should rightly be held
    beneath contempt for your nauseous subservience to an unconstitutional doctrine, plus unheroic
    behavior in the face of danger to your fellow officers and the public.

    Are you ticked off yet? Well, refer to the above quote by U.S. Army General George S Patton. Read
    it? Good, that means I can only add, (if you were offended): "tough noogies!" Let's proceed.

    There is plenty of documentation to support the fact that "gun control" laws in the United States
    are and have been rooted in the dishonorable practice generally known as "Racism." If there is any
    doubt about this? I suggest you do some research on your own (Author Clayton E. Cramer has written a
    short essay that can bring you up to speed quickly, search it out.)

    This brings me to a further assertion. I submit that if you wear the badge and happen to be of Black
    ancestry ("African-American" is the current "politically correct" term: I choose not to use it), and
    fit the criteria I have previously described, you should be held in special dishonor. Your ancestors
    fought and died under a special adversity for the rights you presently enjoy. I know that we still
    have a long way to go, (and you are unhappy with that last promotion you were "suspiciously" beaten
    out of). But today you are still freer than any previous generation, and should honor what they
    fought for by at least acknowledging that fact. A Black officer or group of officers that support
    "gun control" over the 2nd Amendment, in effect, support a continuation of practices rooted in
    racism, practices that currently discriminate against a targeted group of Americans not limited only
    to Blacks. If you support that you have no honor and are a disgrace to your badge, your brothers in
    blue, your brothers in ancestry, and the public you are sworn to protect and serve. (This goes for
    the rest of you who seek not to be identified as "Black," but are not, so-called, "white;" so for
    you "others," accept that you have advanced in large part on the corpses of millions of Black
    Americans who were here before you: It's a fact: Deal with it.)

    Are you ticked off yet? Are you calling me bad names? Does the truth hurt? Good, maybe you'll grow a
    spine and renounce this "thing" called "gun control" and fight for all your rights! (Refer to the
    Patton quote again here.)

    (By the way, Patton lauded his Black tanker / tank destroyer units who fought under his command.
    Patton said words to the effect of him not giving a damn what color a man was as long as he had the
    balls to fight the enemy.How are yours hangin', Lawman?)

    Fact: "Gun Control" is a betrayal of the people you are sworn to protect. "Gun Control" deprives
    only the law-abiding citizen the best means of self-defense against the violent criminal element.
    Remember those people? Those you are sworn to protect? And what about those "other" people? You know
    them well, you have to deal with them on the street nearly every day. You know what mindless
    savagery they are capable of, you have seen the result first hand. You know they have no conscience.
    You know that most are sociopathic, and rationalize that the rules don't apply to them, just the
    "chumps" stupid enough to work for a living and obey "the law" 99% of the time. You know they are
    cowards who enjoy harming the weak and defenseless; who in fact take a vicious glee in the suffering
    of their victims. You know there is a reason we need prisons. You know this from "up close and
    personal" experience the protected rarely grasps: They are taken aback by the naked face of evil,
    flee from it. They pray that you might arrive in time to save them from it (Except, of course, from
    the self-reliant gun-owning citizens "allowed" to defend themselves in pro-self defense
    jurisdictions). But you, Lawman, ideally should be a warrior/philosopher. You run toward the sound
    of battle, rather than from it. You are charged with righting wrong, sworn to do so even at risk of
    your life. You know the badge is more than mere metal.

    That being the case, to advocate citizens offer themselves up as sheep-like prey, to advocate the
    best citizens, the level-headed, able to help their fellows in your absence, those who are your
    support, those whose firearms will NEVER be turned against YOU, is unconscionable, unreasonable, and
    unrealistic!

    That citizen could well save your life some day. It has happened in the past countless times, what
    makes you think it cannot happen again? Well, it will not happen if that citizen is (un-
    constitutionally) disarmed. That citizen, (in actuality, that member of the Unorganized Militia of
    the United States of America, constitutionally protected to keep and bear arms), is there to help.
    If you have had to deputize a citizen while alone and struggling with a resisting suspect, you know
    what I mean! (Why do you think you have the power to deputize in the first place? Think about it,
    Lawman).

    Understand this concept: Criminals misuse firearms in violent crime, law-abiding citizens DON'T. The
    mere fact that one is willing to misuse a firearm against his fellows automatically brands them an
    evil-doer, unfit to share the company of non-violent citizens: Their intent and action (Human
    responsible agency) defines them as violent criminals, mere possession of firearms does not. Never
    confuse the two.Remember there is a faction whose intent is specifically designed to deceive you
    into equating mere possession of firearms with evil intent: Never fall for this sophistical gambit,
    don't be a gullible fool, manipulated by emotionalist propaganda. Use your mind and logic to see
    through the hype.

    To advocate this "thing," this "gun control," is the highest betrayal of the primary rule of nature:
    self-defense. It is a cruel betrayal of the people you are sworn to protect, and a boon to the
    evildoers among us. It is the ultimate betrayal of your hard-earned Badge and all it stands for.

    Are you ticked off yet? Are you calling me "crazy" because you have been fed propaganda claiming
    citizens "can't be trusted with guns?" Has it occurred to you that all citizens are not violent
    criminals? That "cause and effect" do not support the flawed theory that armed citizens cause crime?
    That it is illogical to "tar the citizen with the same brush" as the violent predators among us?

    Well, know this: the advocates of this despicable thing called "gun control" do not bother to make
    these distinctions! Their mentality proves it, and the intentional criminalization of millions of
    American citizens at their hands, through the "banning" of mythical so-called "Assault Weapons,"
    handguns, and other infringements, proves that "crime control," despite their claims, is not their
    true agenda.

    After all, why would politicians intentionally create a new class of "criminals" from a population
    that has not engaged in any violent acts? In some jurisdictions, California comes to mind, Police
    Officers, assumed to be trusted to carry firearms in the defense of the public; are not exempted
    from these "assault weapons" bans, on or off-duty. Think about that, Lawman, What message is that
    sending you? What about "Officer Safety?" (Particularly in the wake of the North Hollywood
    shootout, where Cops had to go begging to local gun shops to borrow "illegal assault weapons" to
    stop terrorist bank robbers?). They are denying you safety, and survival, and by extension, also the
    public.

    How are you being seen by those who seek to ban any firearms that can be demonized to suit arbitrary
    political whims, such as "(Niggertown) Saturday Night Specials," ".50 Caliber Sniper Rifles," or the
    current obfuscation craze, the alleged "deadly, high powered semi-automatic weapon" aka "Assault
    Weapons?"
    (President "Teddy" Roosevelt would have been confused about that one: He routinely carried
    "semi-autos" on his hunts, and this was in the early 19th Century! "Semi-Auto" Technology is nothing
    "new," despite newsroom propaganda).

    Realize that even you are now a suspect, viewed as a "latent criminal" by the very people that claim
    to be "pro-law enforcement," and tell the public that you support their views! This concept is what
    the Communists called "useful idiots," human tools to further a totalitarian agenda. If you think
    they are your "friends," I beg you to look at the facts and realize that anyone who seeks to deny
    your self-preservation is not your friend! Period!

    Anyone who seeks to deny American citizens the ability for self- preservation is not a friend
    either: The two go hand in hand: the protectors and those they are charged to protect.And over what?
    Simple possession of a legally purchased firearm that is no different from any other of its class
    except by its "appearance?"

    Orchestrated brainwash: Propaganda techniques and The Mythical "Assault Weapon"

    Anyone but an abject moron or gullible dupe can deny certain obvious facts regarding firearms. .
    Several well-researched articles have been written supporting the facts about "semi-automatic"
    firearms. For brevity, I will assert 2 basic facts important to understand when attempting to figure
    out how we got to this point in history.

    Fact 1) Propaganda techniques developed by the Nazis and Communists are not dead: It is easy for one
    to dismiss facts by claiming a "right wing" bias against "progressive" (Socialist) ideas. That's a
    game for fools. Advocates of "gun control" unashamedly use emotionalistic ploys a to gather cash,
    sympathy, and "useful idiots," to further their agenda. Accept that these people are more than
    willing to LIE without conscience to further their agenda. Have no illusions about it. Furthermore..

    Fact-2) The "Mainstream Media" and University environments are controlled by Socialist "political
    correctness": One cannot rely upon these sources, in the main, to be objective or
    "pro-constitution." The "Lamestream Media" are the epitome of "useful idiots." Their news organs
    are run by 60's Marxist influenced cadre who use our "freedom of speech" against us (As predicted by
    Soviet Cold Warrior Nikita "We will bury you" and "We will take over your society without firing a
    shot," Khrushchev.) University "Professors" happily brainwash your kids with discredited Marxist
    rhetoric.They "love" the 1st Amendment, but see the rest of the Constitution as merely a hindrance
    to be negated as soon as possible, particularly the 2nd Amendment. As elite "intellectuals" they
    ignore the fact that they would be first against the firing squad wall in the Utopian "revolution"
    they dream of.

    (In the Congo revolution of the 1960's, people were shot out of hand merely for having the intellect
    to ride a bicycle!) Both elements are anti-firearms (in the hands of the untrustworthy "masses" at
    least) by philosophy. Ironically their "supporters" would quickly "put them against the wall" after
    they are no longer "useful idiots." These fools would graduate to being "dead idiots" and initiators
    of a Police state, rather than a "Utopia." This has happened countless times in history, yet they
    never accept this fact.

    Summary: "Gun Control" advocates consistently use the above indicated techniques, are shameless
    liars, and have no compunction to use "any means necessary" to disarm Americans.They are in fact
    elitists who look down on the "masses" being armed and care nothing for your safety. They hate the
    Police as "tools of the oppressors" (i.e.: not under their control), and all they stand for. They
    "tolerate" guns only to assure their self-preservation (Your self- preservation does not count, they
    see you only as fit to be nameless victims on TV news bytes. This applies to both Police and
    citizens!)

    Lies and dammed lies: The Mythical "Assault Weapon"

    If you have stuck with me this far, it likely means you know something about firearms so I can cut
    to the chase and get down to business. Keeping the previous facts in mind, other facts appear that
    we already know, such as.

    There is no honor in dishonor: We are not "useful idiots," cowardly by nature and easily manipulated
    by fear tactics. We know that a cruel "magic trick" has been cynically perpetrated on the people of
    the USA, and continues to be at the time of this writing. We know that the politicians, their
    "running dogs" (to borrow a Communist propaganda term) in the news media, and sadly, the "useful
    idiots" who carry a badge and align themselves with these elements for personal gain and power.
    These are primarily Police Chiefs/Sheriffs and "Fraternal Organizations," who claim to represent the
    true street cops, but have long ago lost touch with the street and the officers who daily are on the
    line.

    These dishonorable individuals are a disgrace to the Badge for their craven contempt of officer and
    civilian safety by condoning firearm confiscation, this "thing" called "gun control." We know this
    axis are liars, dammed liars, and continue to be liars! We know, however, that they have had success
    with their dammed lies! Fact:

    There is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon": We know that the firearms that have been demonized as
    so-called "Assault Weapons" are no more dangerous than any other common rifle. We know that these
    firearms were discriminated against simply because they look similar to current military firearms.
    We know that looks are totally irrelevant to function. We know that many of these targeted firearms
    are in fact less lethal than most common firearms, because the ammunition is of lower power. We know
    that the propagandists misused the German term "Sturmgewer" ("Assault Rifle"), a firearm by
    definition a "machine gun" or "full-automatic" rifle, and bastardized the term into "Assault
    Weapon." Then, using the "Big Lie" technique (itself pioneered by Nazi master propagandist Josef
    Goebbels) by substituting the term "Assault Weapon" for "semi-automatic" or "self- loading" rifles.
    The latest definitional "bait and switch" buzzword is to refer to any self-loading firearms, rifle
    or pistol, as so- called scary "Semi-Automatic weapons." This latest variation on the theme serves
    the same purpose as the original: Create confusion and reactionary fear in the populace to further a
    gun confiscation agenda, plus stigmatize any law-abiding citizen who would choose to own such a
    military look alike firearm! The idea is to discredit the gun owner, force them to appear to be
    "unreasonable," and thereby justify "more reasonable controls" on firearms. Remember their overused
    talking point? "Why would anyone need an "assault weapon?" (A lawyer must have thought up that bit
    of "are you still beating your wife" rhetoric!) This "Divide and Conquer" tactic worked quite well,
    and all gun owners who fell into that trap should be ashamed of themselves. From the blackpowder
    shooters up and through the .50 Cal Geeks, we should never again allow ourselves to be divided this
    way! If you remember nothing from this essay, remember this point!)

    After all, one can buy a 150mph capable Ferrari, but only "needs" a VW Bug: Quick! Justify that
    argument to yourself right now. What other logical arguments should you have come up with when some
    brainwashed anti gun do-gooder got in your face with this type of propaganda? How will you fare in
    similar situations in future?

    Military look-alikes are "more" Constitutionally protected than others: They are true "Militia
    Rifles! This fact points to the actual reason why these firearms are demonized and "banned!" Did it
    ever occur to you, Lawman, why the anti-gun fanatics chose to "ban" these mythical firearms rather
    than seek to "control" them by using the same system already in place for "machine guns?" Think
    about it. Hard! Scenarios can range from the simple (Semi-Auto technology could not stand the
    objective test to compare them to actual machineguns, therefore the gun-banners had to consider they
    might lose using such a tactic) to the full- on "nightmare" (Gun banning politicians looking outside
    their office windows to see thousands of citizens of all races and creeds gathered together, each
    thrusting their AR-15's, AK-47's and FAL rifles overhead, chanting in unison "Don't tread on me!"
    "Never Again!" and "fill in the blank!"). [What scenario(s) do you think explain "banning" vs.
    "control?"].

    The modern Militia Rifle is no different from the personally supplied musket, powder and ball of our
    ancestors: state of the art civilian versions of military firearms, as the founding fathers
    intended. The Swiss have long known this simple concept, and their unorganized Militia possesses
    government issued (actual) Assault Rifles and other small arms in most homes. Their politicians
    appear to have no problem trusting the people with arms. Here, in the USA, politicians intentionally
    conspire to deprive the people of arms, and have specifically targeted those arms that have the most
    utility as Militia firearms. Can we see the forest for the trees? I'm going to say it, because is
    seems nobody else has the "stones" to "tell it like it is," so prepare again to get your feathers
    ruffled! Our first and best President, George Washington, hit the nail on the head when he called
    Militia Rifles our "liberty teeth!"

    Do you really think the gun-ban fanatics don't know the real significance of widespread ownership of
    Militia Rifles? Do you really think they suddenly decided that these firearms should be "banned"
    because a few isolated madmen (criminals) decided to commit "suicide by Cop," turning the gun on
    their fellows, with the resultant, orchestrated, high profile media coverage?

    (A tactic used to "justify" gun bans in Canada, Australia, and the U.K. to name a few.Countries who
    now have a nearly out of control "illegal firearms" crime rates? Don't forget that their governments
    declared the firearms to be illegal in the first place, yet decry so-called "illegal firearms use.")
    George Washington had recent memory of the events that sparked the Revolutionary War against the
    Crown, events that are not taught to our children, glossed over, or outright lied about in
    classrooms all over the USA. The simple fact is that the revolt was sparked by British troops
    attempting to confiscate the arms and ammunition of American colonists! Our ancestors called those
    that would deprive the people of arms as tyrants seeking to crush liberty. So I ask you, what are we
    to call those who seek to do the same thing here and now? Remember what I said about those who would
    deprive you of your right to defend yourself not being your friends, Lawman? What about your officer
    safety and the safety of those you are sworn to protect? (One cannot "pursue happiness" if one is
    dead, after all). What do we call those who today are relentlessly determined to confiscate, declare
    "illegal," and "ban" firearms, particularly those most suited to be Americans "liberty teeth?" Those
    who are doing the same thing as those British troops of yore, (by "legal" means): attempting to
    confiscate the arms and ammunition of Americans? Say it, Dammit!

    The bottom line: Telling it like it is, and Deal with it! The constant spiteful attacks, slander,
    demonization and ridicule of law-abiding gun owners over the years are taking their toll. The
    peaceful citizens of the "gun culture" are fast reaching their limit of how much abuse they are
    going to take. They are fed up with being compared to violent criminals, because they know they are
    not.

    They rightly resent, and are fearful of being turned into "instant felons," merely because a firearm
    has some innocuous feature they know has no realistic bearing on its function. These execrable
    "laws" are already on the books, and the citizens, terrorized by State propaganda, know they are in
    jeopardy, backed into a corner. You know what happens when you have to deal with the proverbial
    "cornered animal?" And realize this: No politician will suffer because of these "laws", if anything,
    they will exploit the results of the "enforcement" of these "laws," and what will that be, Lawman?
    You or your fellows being killed by the dozens attempting to serve warrants on "technical violators"
    (that guy with a "flashhider," "detachable magazine" or "bayonet lug" on his legally bought firearm?
    All because some cowardly "Supervisor" thought it would be an "easy arrest", as the "violator" is
    not a known violent felon? That is the bottom line: You have been put in the "trick bag," Lawman!
    They pass the phony unconstitutional "gun laws," but you, Lawman, are the first to DIE "enforcing"
    them!

    These citizens are not stupid, they instinctively know these "laws" are wrong. You know that these
    laws are wrong also, Lawman, and what you see on the street every workday proves it over and over
    again. I know because I see it every workday myself. Again, I say Criminals misuse firearms in
    violent crime, law- abiding citizens do not! I have never seen or heard of anyone injured or killed
    by a "folding stock" or a "30 round magazine." I have seen people injured by the "human responsible
    agency" of another person, using "weapons" from fist to automobile.

    By standing against the lie embodied in this unnatural anti-self defense concept of "gun control,"
    you are making the ultimate statement to truth, justice, integrity and honor. You are assuring that
    the Police in America will not go down the same path as the Politzei of the Nazi era, passively
    participating in the oppression of those citizens disfavored by the current government. (James
    Madison: "Americans [having] the right and advantage of being armed- unlike citizens of other
    countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.")

    We are Americans and our traditions make us unique. We must, as officers of the law, protect and
    serve
    the citizenry, enabling them to "pursue happiness" as best possible. Your Badge should only reflect
    the bright light of liberty and never embrace the dark side of evil: the poisonous, insidious,
    despicable, doctrine of gun confiscation. There is no higher evil than to deprive the citizens of
    the United States their right to individual, collective, and national defense against those who
    would harm them without mercy. Stand against this horrific crime. Prevent the consequences,
    intentional or not. The gun-confiscators are creating a move from "the ballot box to the cartridge
    box." Only your sacred Badge and all it stands for will prevent it, and this you have sworn to do
    Lawman!

    Well, you Sons of Bitches really know how I feel now!

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    WOW!
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    Longest post in the world. Gotta read it more when I get home from work.

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