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Talking to a mall ninja

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So Mr. Sams Gunshop employee I don't think that your friend the mall ninja would have said it like that. Does he like guns? As for the policy on not confronting people with weapons because of being unarmed security, do you think that prevented him from wanting to make contact with the gentleman? I have worked security for 8 years and I understand having to follow policy regardless of your personal feelings on a subject. When you wrote about the mall having a meeting with the police are you sure he said the goal was to prevent OC"ing? It could been about finding an understanding between policy and law and not infringing on peoples rights. I'm all for the legal right of open carrying, but can you see how it might make some people who are not educated on the subject a little nervous? The mall had what some 30,000 people there on friday? As for a beeline for the police, if mall security was not educated on the law of open carry don't you think they were a little confused. Thinking maybe he was an off duty officer or something? I can't help but be a little offended about the comment on unarmed security being useless. I worked as a security officer for years and with some companies all there is is unarmed security. Are you saying there is no need for it? As for changing the topic when you mentioned you were an OCer maybe he didn't want to offend you, he was probably still surpirsed about the law, and may have said a comment on it that he didn't want you to take wrong. Like I said I am an OCer myself (you should see the looks you get wearing a tank top with nice tits and a .45) but I think you may have taken his conversation out of context. And if he is your friend why don't you clarify the points with him before posting them. :celebrate
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Who the hell do you think you are talking to?!?! When did I ever say unarmed security is useless? Maybe you are the one who should "clarify the points before posting them." Just to clarify, The conversation was between me and him, I didn't see you anywhere near there. So where do you get off telling me what his true feelings on the subject are? The fact of the matter is he said, and I quote, "The higher-ups are meeting with the Lynwood chief of police today to see what we can legally do to prevent people from open carrying in the mall. With the Christmas season coming up we don't want people like that scarring the customers." You will notice he used the collective term "we" as to include himself as being amongst those who would seek to end the practice of open carry in the mall. If mall security was "a little confused, thinking he was a off duty officer or something" Why in the hell would they call 911?! they called 911 on the man because they are grossly ignorant of the law and they waisted the responding officers time. I can forgive the mistake of an idiot mall ninja but when the police educated them an the facts and reprimanded them for waisting their time the mall ninjas decide they don't care if it is legal they are going to go out of their way to make sure the public doesn't get to enjoy that particular freedom on their watch.
 
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Are you idiots joking???? How many unarmed "security" guards do you see in Casinos, Night Clubs and Bars that can handle the f'n situation without being armed?

It's all in training....Hand to hand combat (Our military is trained in this), martial arts, boxing, etc. A confident unarmed security officer that has been trained can make almost any area secure. But like the point brought up earlier yes there are limitations. But as far as a mall setting it is true 90% of the crime that happens there the offender is unarmed, thus unarmed security. You would have to be real justified to pull your sidearm on a little girl who just shoplifted some hairclips. Or pulling your sidearm on the kids you find smoking pot in there car.Most of the goal of unarmed security is to deter crime by physical presence. Yes there is a need for armed security as well. Armored car personel working with lots of cash, yes armed security. Shoplifters from Claires or other girly stores, Sears, and other stores unarmed security. So to clarify it yes need for both.:celebrate
 
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I don't think he would have said it like that, and you never answered if he likes guns? You make the kid to look like some anti-gun nazi. So tell me is he in fact an OC'er or does he hate guns, or even own any for that matter? If he's your friend like you said you would know that.
 
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.45lovinchick wrote:
Are you idiots joking???? How many unarmed "security" guards do you see in Casinos, Night Clubs and Bars that can handle the f'n situation without being armed?

It's all in training....Hand to hand combat (Our military is trained in this), martial arts, boxing, etc. A confident unarmed security officer that has been trained can make almost any area secure. But like the point brought up earlier yes there are limitations. But as far as a mall setting it is true 90% of the crime that happens there the offender is unarmed, thus unarmed security. You would have to be real justified to pull your sidearm on a little girl who just shoplifted some hairclips. Or pulling your sidearm on the kids you find smoking pot in there car.Most of the goal of unarmed security is to deter crime by physical presence. Yes there is a need for armed security as well. Armored car personel working with lots of cash, yes armed security. Shoplifters from Claires or other girly stores, Sears, and other stores unarmed security. So to clarify it yes need for both.:celebrate
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Do you also have any idea how many people are in those casinos and night clubs that are armed that you don't even see?

By the way, a lot of us who carry here, carry for protection, just cause we have a gun, doesn't mean it is the only tool we can use to diffuse a situation. Lot of the people here carry OC, handcuffs, all sorts of things.

You seem to talk a lot about shoplifting, well although that is probably the largest part of crime in the retail sector, it by no means is the only type. There are a lot of situations in which armed security would have came in quite handidly.
 
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.45lovinchick wrote:
It's all in training....Hand to hand combat (Our military is trained in this), martial arts, boxing, etc. A confident unarmed security officer that has been trained can make almost any area secure.
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Do you realize just how stupid that statementsounds?

An armed security officer can handle any situation that an unarmed loss prevention expert can handle. But the reverse most certainly is not true.

Shoplifters are quite often violent when confronted.Sowhen that "little girl who just shoplifted some hairclips" pulls a knife on your unarmed ass you're going to learn the true meaning ofuseless right quick. And while you're learning meanings, look up there,their and they're. As for martial arts enabling you to handle anything, look up "Tueller Drill". No, it's not something you can buy at Home Depot. This is why a largemajority of loss prevention people call the real police when they spot a shoplifter instead of trying to apprehend them themselves. See the trend here?

The best that unarmed security personnel can do is to act asforward observers.

 
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I'm sorry blues bear if that statement put a burr under your saddle but I have work tomorrow and you folks have sweet OC'ing dreams if and when you ever get off this site and actually work or OC. I'm a 5'2" slenderwomen and I have in fact worked in the unarmed security industry and have in fact had more personal expeirence in it than i'm sure you have. I've put men who are 6'5" on their ass who have come at me with weapons. Now I realize that you may doubt this but so did the gentlemen until they made the move. So Y'all have a goodnight and sweet dreams.

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And to you agent 47 I apologize for the security comment on the response to you it was not intened for you but to the others. But you still haven't answered whether or not your friend is anti-gun or pro gun cuz the way you make him sound, I would be curious to know. :celebrate
 
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...if and when you ever get off this site and actually work or OC. I'm a 5'2" slenderwomen and I have in fact worked in the unarmed security industry and have in fact had more personal expeirence in it than i'm sure you have.
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I've put men who are 6'5" on their ass who have come at me with weapons. Now I realize that you may doubt this but so did the gentlemen until they made the move.
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1) Ahh, here we have yet another newcomer who makes incorrect assumptions about members without having a clue as to who she is talking to or about.

2) If you're so good then why do you carry a .45? Don't your nice tank-top-tits garner enough attention for you? Or perhaps it's because you secretly know that armed is superior to unarmed? Now I am not doubting your abilities at all. Small women sometimes can overpower larger men. I've seen it happen. However it's not the norm. If it were then most of the police would be 5'2"females. Your encounter (I suspect it only happened oncenow didn't it? And you've been bragging about it ever since - sort of like the chick version of a grand slam or a hole in one) It happened your way only because you were fortunate enough to not have come up against a properly trained/focused opponent. NO ONE is invincible. And only fools and idiots think they are.

So you go right ahead and keep telling yourself thatyou're Wonder Woman. But don't think that you can tell us that unarmed "security" is anything more than a placebo.



Also note that Agent47 never said the Mall Ninja was his friend. So why do you persist in referring to him as such?
 
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I'm a big guy, have also worked in the unarmed security industry, and I pretty much agree that it is worthless as physical security. There is a diffuse deterrent to crime by the non-crazy, casual, criminal of opportunity.

Unarmed security is for prosecuting after the fact. The mantra is; "Observe and report."

Most of the time unarmed security just prevents employees from making honest mistakes, directs people to the bathrooms and exits, and performs receptionist functions. Occasionally something exciting happens like turning in items to "lost and found". Most club bouncers are not 5'2" females, and the one that I do know personally (at Kell's Irish pub in Portland), relies on good looks andpersonality to talk people down, and a radio/earbud to call the big guys in when someone gets physical. This is not cowardly, it is smart. She's a bad-ass chick but she's going to get hurt if she scuffles with a drunken idiot of a dude.

For that matter, I have never been in a fight where I didn't get hurt, at least a little bit. If you're in a knife fight, expect to get cut. If you're in a fist fight, expect to get hit. It's only in the movies where getting kicked solidly in the head doesn't cause brain damage.

The only reason more bouncers aren't armed in clubs is because the drunks usually don't require much in the way of physical restraint, and when they do, more guys pile on. It would certainly be bad PR to shoot them, anyway. Stores in the mall don't WANT shoplifters phsyicallytackled. They want the problem handled discreetly so they don't look like the big corporate monster beating up on poor teenage orphan waifs.
 
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.45lovinchick wrote:
lol. Sorry, no I have had that experience on a number of occasions.

And to the mall ninja not being his friend.... you are correct... he said my buddy. :celebrate
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LOL, you're one of those ridiculous looking Alderwood Mall security guards? And you admit it freely? Sorry, there's no way I'm seeing you as a bad ass.

So you seem to think we need guns to protect ourselves from shoplifters. That is ridiculous. Tell me how much you would have enjoyed being an unarmed security guard at the Tacoma Mall, or at that mall in Utah. You know, when the guy shot up the place? Would you have taken him down with your badass mall ninjitsu? Last time I checked, mall security wasn't supposed to touch anybody. If you tried to restrain me I would probably hurt you, and not only would I be legally justified in hurting you, I could sue you for making me do it. You aren't a cop, and unless you witness me committing a felony, you had better not lay a hand on me. I could press charges and you could spend a lot of time behind bars if you tackled me for stealing hair clips.

By acting like such a bad ass super ninja, you have effectively labelled yourself as the true definition of mall-ninja to me. I don't care if you are a girl, and I don't care how short you are. You still represent the most ridiculous industry in the world, and seem to think that you have any more authority than I do. Well guess what. You don't. I, as a normal shopper, have just as much authority as you do, I just don't get paid to care what happens at your mall. I also have a lot more ability to stop an actual crime in your mall than you do.

Did I mention that you guys look as ridiculous as mounties, minus the authority?


EDIT: spell check always makes me feel stupid...
 
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.45lovinchick wrote:
lol. Sorry, no I have had that experience on a number of occasions.

And to the mall ninja not being his friend.... you are correct... he said my buddy. :celebrate
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You are obviously the one person who didn't get it so let me help you out a little.

Irony: –noun, plural -nies. 1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

Sarcasm: –noun 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.



That being cleared up, he is pro gun when it comes to himself but he is very much anti gun when it comes to everyone else's right to carry as they please. He stated very clearly that it should be made illegal for people to open carry. I meet many anti gun people in my line of work, all of them hate guns until they need to buy one for self defence. I have had people ranting about how easy it is to buy a gun while they are filling out the paperwork for their purchase. So weather or not he owns guns has nothing to do with his political views on them. His opinion falls into the category of those who honestly believe all guns should be taken out and destroyed, but not his guns, he is special. ( probably all his boxing and martial arts training specially qualifies him to carry a gun more than everyone else.)
 
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First of all, I AM PRO OC .

It has been a thought for quite some time that there are a few oc ers that really oc just to gain a little thrill from the act. These people are exhibitionists (tank top included) .

45lovinchick, your tank top and nice tits while carrying tells me that you want attention, and that is a great way to ge it. I for one would be breaking my neck to take a look. I hope you have a nice day.

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I'm a 5'2" slenderwomen and I have in fact worked in the unarmed security industry and have in fact had more personal expeirence in it than i'm sure you have.

I also have a lot more ability to stop an actual crime in your mall than you do.

This is called Delusions of Grandeur.

I am so very sorry (Agent47 type irony) but you have got to be kidding! Besides your limitedability tospell check, you are far more constrained by both law and physical ability in terms of defense options than almost any private citizen. You are disarmed by your employer and you only defense is the respect for the uniform and your, er, physical attributes. Though distracting, they would be useless against ANY sort of determined foe, an armed foe, a group, ex-cetera. If you use hand to hand experience to say break an arm or blind someone with a eye jab, expectyour employerto disavow your actions and watch you twist in the resulting lawsuit. In the face of an "actual" crime, such as the Tacoma shooting, Mall security has a record of fleeing along with the rest of the unarmed.

Over and over, it has been the gun and those who carry who make a difference, The University of Virginia Law School, the Tacoma Mall Shooting where an armed citizen frightened the perp into hiding, and the guns of responding officers who forcedhim to surrender,who mitigate the dangerous foe. If an "actual crime"means a fashion offence (such as boots with a dress) I will call you.
 
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