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    In my opinion, No.

    I have been promissing this for a while, here it is. This is my general OC attire.





    Discuss... I have been OCing (as I have said many times) In Las Vegas for about 4 years now.

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    What's with the cuffs? I leave those in the bedroom.

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    mzbk2l wrote:
    What's with the cuffs? I leave those in the bedroom.
    Just in case.

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    I personally wouldn't want to carry that much gear

    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
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    That is a lot of stuff to carry!

    I think you look fine for OC, but I could certainly see where someone would be "scared". You know. A man with a cowboy hat, tatoos, chains and stuff, call the police, he must be up to no good!

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    I don't think that it makes a difference really how you dress. Frankly with the cuffs people probably think you are a plainclothes LEO. I've met a few folks who actually try to look as little as a LEO as possible and they don't seem to have a problem.

    As a critique of your setup I'd say lose the cuffs and use the pouch for a pressure bandage as I'd think that would be more likely to be useful.

    ETA: Minus the cuffs, I carry analogous gear in almost the same way.

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    Is that a Pot leaf pendant on your necklace, or are you just happy to see Cops withnothing better to do? lmao...NO judgements... former smoker here.. just wondering if that, rather than the attire/tatts/cuffs (I keep mine in the truck, but handy)/etc might draw unneeded attention/concern from LEO's/sheep.

    Beyond that, I personally would be happy to see you OC'ing around town.. I think the more the merrier.. I have no issue with anyone carrying a firearm, until/unless they pull it or point it without reason and responsibility. In my neighborhood, the local smoke shop guys all carry openly, as does the Lube/oil change guy around the corner in the strio mall from him. I PREFER doing business with an armed shopkeeper, and they seem to prefer/tolerate/not give a shi* regardingmyself as thier armed customer.

    Keep carrying, encourage others to do so, and let's take back our rights, our streets, and our Honor.

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    longwatch wrote:
    I don't think that it makes a difference really how you dress. Frankly with the cuffs people probably think you are a plainclothes LEO. I've met a few folks who actually try to look as little as a LEO as possible and they don't seem to have a problem.

    As a critique of your setup I'd say lose the cuffs and use the pouch for a pressure bandage as I'd think that would be more likely to be useful.

    ETA: Minus the cuffs, I carry analogous gear in almost the same way.
    You honestly do not think it makes a difference how you dress? Legally, or course it doesn't. But when you have sheeple around, and people checking you out, and interactions with cops, it can give an unwanted impression. Personally I try to dress nicely, or at least presentable to give a good impression, even when cc'ing.

    Police are not the only ones who profile you. If someone goes into a gas station with a gun on their hip, ripped up jeans, and a "high times" shirt, and another guy comes in with nice jeans, polo shirt, same rig set up--you can bet that if either of these guys gets unwanted attention from sheeple or police, it is going to be the former. Should it be this way, no, but some people take it as such.

    If you walked in with the ripped jeans, sloppy shoes, high times shirt combo, without the gun, a lot of people would give you a second look from where I am from, add in the firearm, and you would really look like an oddball.

    Again I do not care what anyone wears while packing, but the difference of unkempt vs. presentable in the eyes of sheeple can do wonders.

    If you think it makes NO difference, not even the tiniest bit, you are only fooling yourself.


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    actually, its a Baphomet pendant.





    both of those together.

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    Aside from my extra mags and my holster, there is nothing else on my belt, but a cellphone. the cuffs are in a cargo pocket, the spray is in a pocket as is the knife. I think that people who assume that "nicely dressed people draw less attention when OCing" are only fooling themselves. People see a gun on you, and its like a horse with its blinders on... tunnel vision. They see GUN! if they are scared or meh.. dudes got a gun. Depends on the person.

    I guess there are a whole handful of private security companies, firearms training schools, gun stores, shooting ranges, military contract companies, etc, etc out here and people just think "he must work at X place" and then carry on with their daily business.

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    I agree with Ryan. Your appearance does make a difference, whether we like it or not. Everyone makes judgements based on appearance. That's one of our survival mechanisms. I'm not in favor of people trying to present the appearance of being a LEO or off-duty cop (display badges, displaying CCW permits, police-type polos), but I think that dressing too "out there" is likely harmful to our cause. I want people to see me OC and think to themselves "he's just a normal guy, going about his business. Maybe guns aren't so nasty after all". The last thing I want them to think is "he must be a cop" or "he looks like the president of the Ted Nugent fan club".

    You don't look threatening, but you don't look real personable or approachable either.

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    Agent19 wrote:
    That's almost a complete DUTY BELT, add a baton and your there.

    I personally wouldn't want to carry that much gear around on a daily bases.

    More power to you, solider on.
    Next time I'm in LV we will have to arrange a OC meet up.

    Didn't you carry a Sig Sauer SP2340?


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    Retired the Sig a few months ago.

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    Bravo_Sierra wrote:
    I think that people who assume that "nicely dressed people draw less attention when OCing" are only fooling themselves. People see a gun on you, and its like a horse with its blinders on... tunnel vision. They see GUN! if they are scared or meh.. dudes got a gun. Depends on the person.

    I guess there are a whole handful of private security companies, firearms training schools, gun stores, shooting ranges, military contract companies, etc, etc out here and people just think "he must work at X place" and then carry on with their daily business.
    +1 to appearance.

    Almost the same kind of thing where I live. So many 3 letter agencys running around OCers can generally blend in.

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    sorry longwatch, and with apologies to bravo_sierra, noone is going to mistake you for an off-duty anything.

    reality check - you can wear ANYTHING you want. i don't care too much what anyone wears or does as long as they don't infringe on me or cost me money

    BUT - right or wrong there is an "average" out there and if you fall too far on either side you will get noticed more often. this is whether you are oc or not.

    you can dress all in cammo or a black suit, white shirt and narrow tie (MIB), or in a clown suit.i usually dress in jeans, cowboy bootsand a hawaiian shirt (arizona you know).

    but i will get looks if i go into a biker bar, or a gay bar,or a ... not that there's anything wrong with either of those bars.

    live and let live i say :celebrate but i digress.

    i don't dress to hide the fact that i oc or promote the fact that i oc - i just do.

    all i'm trying to say is - dress however you want but don't expect the general population nott o have opinions or preconceived notions based on how you look.

    papasmee



    p.s. for those of you carrying handcuffs - don;t they make a lot of noise? what about a few extra long zips ties? i know they aren't as "neat" but they would work just as well and are easily carried anywhere on your person.


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    Outfit doesn't look bad. I'm not a fan of the nylon duty belts (riggers or otherwise), but to each his own.

    Also, +1 to Papasmee with the extra long zip ties. I have a bag in the glove box of my car in case I ever need them. Maybe it's an Arizona thing :P

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    radwood -

    howELSE could you attach Christmas lights to a cactus?:?

    zip ties and duct tape - don't leave home withoout them.

    papasmee



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    I agree, a person's dress shouldn't matter, with citizens, nor draw stops from police.

    I also agree that if one diverges too far from "average" one is going to get perhaps unwanted or undeserved attention.

    Personally, I think it is part of trying tochange views and opinions. Right now, the bed-wetters and police just aren'tclued in all that much. That's why we do what we do.

    It will take a while, I think. Until then, my advice is to minimize their concern as much as possible. Or another way to say it, make it as easy as possible for them to be comfortable.

    I've had good luck with business-casualclothes. I've had numerous encounters where polite questions or friendly humorous comments are offered by strangers.
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    Bravo_Sierra wrote:
    actually, its a Baphomet pendant.
    Dude..

    I have the same pendant hanging from my rear view. lol. Odd world, huh?



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    Citizen wrote:
    I agree, a person's dress shouldn't matter, with citizens, nor draw stops from police.

    I also agree that if one diverges too far from "average" one is going to get perhaps unwanted or undeserved attention.

    Personally, I think it is part of trying tochange views and opinions. Right now, the bed-wetters and police just aren'tclued in all that much. That's why we do what we do.

    It will take a while, I think. Until then, my advice is to minimize their concern as much as possible. Or another way to say it, make it as easy as possible for them to be comfortable.

    I've had good luck with business-casualclothes. I've had numerous encounters where polite questions or friendly humorous comments are offered by strangers.
    +1 to that. It is rather naive to think that your appearance (which includes what you wear) has no effect on other peoples reactions. Your gun may get the initial attention, but how you look and act is what will determine what they will do about that initial reaction. By all means wear what you want, but if you want to dress in a way people perceive as a bad guy, don't expect a rational response.

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    I am either wearing a polo shirt and slacks or a button down shirt and slacks (work wear that I sometimes wear when not working) or jeans and whatever shirt I find. I don't see anything wrong with OCing with how you normally dress, that is "you" and not a made up image for the rest of the world. I would just be aware that certain modes of dress will change people's perception, but attitude and actions ultimately make the difference.

    The cuffs confuse me though. Otherwise I carry a knife, spare mag or speedloaders, pepper spray, cellphone and a flashlight somewhere on me.

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    Bravo_Sierra wrote:
    In my opinion, No.

    I have been promissing this for a while, here it is. This is my general OC attire.





    Discuss... I have been OCing (as I have said many times) In Las Vegas for about 4 years now.
    I like the knife and the handcuff u got there. pretty much blends in

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    Citizen wrote:
    I agree, a person's dress shouldn't matter, with citizens, nor draw stops from police.

    I also agree that if one diverges too far from "average" one is going to get perhaps unwanted or undeserved attention.

    Personally, I think it is part of trying tochange views and opinions. Right now, the bed-wetters and police just aren'tclued in all that much. That's why we do what we do.

    It will take a while, I think. Until then, my advice is to minimize their concern as much as possible. Or another way to say it, make it as easy as possible for them to be comfortable.

    I've had good luck with business-casualclothes. I've had numerous encounters where polite questions or friendly humorous comments are offered by strangers.
    what if an officer ask you to speak with you and ask you whom do you work for etc..what would be your response? can you list of response that one can give...thank you

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    18 USC 1001 states in part:

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully— 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

    The way I see it, the Feds don't even need to read you your Maranda Rights to use what ever you say against you.

    What does your State law say?

    Ohio law says that you have give your name, date of birth and address. This is clearly unconstitutional. The First Amendment gives you the right to speak and therefore it gives you the right to not speak.

    One of my first questions to LEO is "Can anything I say or do be used against me in a court of law, civilly or criminally.

    LEO's answer better be yes and if not he/she is lying.

    I don't ever acknowledge whatever the LEO accuses me of.

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    Opsgear wrote:
    what if an officer ask you to speak with you and ask you whom do you work for etc..what would be your response? can you list of response that one can give...thank you
    You first have to decide whether its a hostile interview. I'd base that on the officer's physical approach and tone of voice.

    If I was notfairly certain it was a friendly question, I wouldn't answer it. I would probably go with something like, "I understand you are just trying to do your job, but I do not consent to this encounter/have nothing to say in the absence of my attorney. Am I free to go?"

    If I was fairly sure it was a friendly question, I might say somethinglike, "Oh, my employer doesn't let me discuss it. You guys having a busy night?" (This is entirely truthful. My boss, although supportive of my 2A efforts, doesn't want me mixing the company name with firearms or poliltical activism.)

    And, either way, friendly or hostile, I'd activate the voice-recorder the moment I saw him.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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