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Mjolnir wrote:
openryan wrote
Wow, people need training to use pepper spray now, better tell that to the millions of females who carry the stuff, I am sure the majority of them have never been "sprayed in the face"...
Displaying cuffs, might be a bit excessive, but he can legally carry them if he wishes to do so, and I don't have a problem with that.
I can't believe you are gonna get on here and start talking about how people need to get trained with cuffs and pepper spray, do you have any idea how many people carry a firearm daily that have no formal or informal training...being shot is much more permanent than being cuffed or sprayed.
Get off your soap box.
Obviously you have no idea what it's like to spray somebody or get sprayed with pepper spray.
You might be suprised at the results & what it's like to fight thrugh the spray when it splashes/blows back into your face.
As far as cuffs, here again it's obvious you have no idea what it's like to close with somebody held at gunpoint and apply a pair of cuffs, it's far from easy & it can also be extremly dangerous.
As far as shooting, I'll not address this for the obvious reasons.
If my "soap box" helps somebody then it's great, if not it's a waste of my time & why should you care if I waste my time, nobody forced you to read my postings or ckick on the qupte button now did they??
I have been hit with spray, twice, not under any type of training conditions, on one ocassion I sprayed some key chain OC, to get an idea of the distance, got some in my eyes, I don't even think it was that much, at the very first second, I thought, wow this stuff doesn't burn at all, immediately after that thought went through my head, I was in tears and my eyes have never hurt so badly, even your lungs hurt. The second time someone thought it would be funny to "scare me" with some OC, they took it beyond what it was supposed to be, I'm in my room playing a video game one second, the next I had a mouthful of spray, in either instance, it doesn't feel good, and I wouldn't want to be on the other end of the nozzle.
Nonetheless, I don't think it requires training to know that this stuff isn't a joke -- Yes, it effects all people differently, but use baseline common sense, and you can use it properly. They also make very good foam OC's now, which reduce the chance of back spray greatly. Also I would opt for a stream shooter, rather than a spray or atomizer, as this will again reduce the chance of backspray.
As for handcuffs, it has been mulled over on another thread quite a bit, and obviously trying to detain someone, armed or not, who doesn't want to be detained is at best, dangerous. There are several tactics here that would be useful through training and instruction to help someone learn how to properly detain another individual. Furthermore, you can be subject to legal ramifications if you detain someone unlawfully, which is a whole different animal. I for one, wouldn't display my handcuffs simply for the sake of looking "bad", I did buy a pair myself, and if I do decide to carry them, I would keep them in my pocket, or in my glove box. I think detaining an individual is obviously not the first course of action in personal defense situations.
The qualm I had with your post, is that you seemed to jump on him, and nowhere in the post did I see him claim or disclaim any type of training he may or may not have had. You simply assumed, and mocked his carrying of the items.
). However it is hard to think of people as the next school shooters when all they do is talk about science and the meaning of life. If anything the biggest stereotype fixed with goth people is mental illness (cutting, suicide, ect) and the love to go to graveyards at night and write poetry about death. (only did that once; for Halloween >.> ) 