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    Do you get like a card or anything when you join? I know when you are a member of NRA you get a card. Not that this is a big deal but just more of a way to have something so if someone asks what is that, you can let them know what VCDL is about.

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    Diesel23 wrote:
    Do you get like a card or anything when you join? I know when you are a member of NRA you get a card. Not that this is a big deal but just more of a way to have something so if someone asks what is that, you can let them know what VCDL is about.
    Yes, you should receive it via mail. Joining VCDL=good move.

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    You will get a VCDL membership card and a newletter from time to time. Welcome to our organization that fights to preserve and improve our Virginia gun rights.

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    In numbers comes strength !

    No better, say it again, no better organization for getting it done.
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    I joined after doing some activies with them I found out through OCDO.

    I havent seen any membership stuff though

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    It can take some time to get the membership packet, unfortunately VCDL is an all volunteer organization and not everything can get done as we would all like, but they haven't forgotten you.

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    I had asked via email about getting someone else signed up with the VCDL on a specific date, and no one ever got back to me about it. :?
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Not to disuade people from joining; because I understand and agree with the efforts but the one thing that irks me about both the NRA and VCDL is when they catagorize all anti's as liberals.

    Somehow joining an organization that is ok with using sterotypical language just doesn't appeal to me.

    But, I do look long and hard on the VCDL survey's and use that as a basis for my voting.

    -X

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    Xeni wrote:
    Not to disuade people from joining; because I understand and agree with the efforts but the one thing that irks me about both the NRA and VCDL is when they catagorize all anti's as liberals.
    VCDL's alerts do not, or at least should not, categorize anti-gunners as liberals. From VA-ALERT: VCDL UPDATE 11/20/2007:

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    18. Reminder: Right to self-protection crosses party lines
    **************************************************

    Member Eric Smith sent this thoughtful discussion of how the issue of
    self protection crosses party lines. I urge all of us to be mindful
    of this. I do, from time to time, mention this issue in an update or
    alert. We have members who are Democrat, very liberal Democrats, who
    believe strongly in our right to keep and bear arms. We don't want
    to alienate any of our fellow gun owners and activists.

    Heck, I have met many "conservative" Republicans who don't like the
    Second Amendment.

    That is why it is important to use the term "anti-gunner" to describe
    the opposition.

    Eric Smith wrote:

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    I've noticed that often times in LTE's, statements, conversations,
    etc. that 2nd Amendment defenders tend to use phrases like
    "Bleeding-heart" "Left-wing" or even just "Liberal" with enough oomph
    behind it to sound like a 4 letter word.

    I understand those feelings and have said those things myself.

    However, if we're going to be debating the issue publicly, I can say
    from personal experience, that if you aren't solidly republican,
    those phrases tend to make you less inclined to listen to the rest of
    the debate, or even the issue at hand.

    Once simple slurs come out, a lot of non-right wing people, who are
    otherwise enamored with their 2nd amendment rights, get the "Gun Nut"
    impression. I know we aren't "Gun Nuts" holed up waiting for the FBI,
    and so do you, but to a lot of less involved people, that's how it
    comes across.

    I think, in an effort to defeat those who would take away our rights,
    we should follow the tradition of VCDL's membership, in being polite,
    civil, and levelheaded in our conversations/debates/public forums.
    Let the other side keep up the hail of insults and derogatory terms.
    This includes not resorting to "Liberal" slinging. Many of our
    supporters are otherwise "Liberal" and may either not feel welcome,
    or like they're the odd one out.

    We need all the over 21 non-felon bodies we can get. No sense in
    accidentally alienating any of them, especially if they do agree with
    us and would otherwise join. [PVC: No need for me to say it, as Eric
    has said it quite well.]


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    AbNo wrote:
    I had asked via email about getting someone else signed up with the VCDL on a specific date, and no one ever got back to me about it. :?
    Just sign them up via mail or pay pal - download application or link directly to pay pal via http://www.vcdl.org/static/join.html

    What's all this about a "specific date"?

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    Oh, I wanted to see if I could set it up early, and have the membership sent out for someone's birthday.

    It already passed, though.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Abno, I sign up a couple of people every year and pay the first years dues for them. I almost always meet them at the next gunshow and just give them the money for the dues. I also give them a VCDL patch so they have a membership something...until their card comes. I have my two for this year and will sign one up at the next show. The other one wouldn't take a paid membership and just did his own.

    As far as VCDL painting everyone as a Liberal....I haven't noticed it. They have done a few things over the years that I thought were improper........IN EVERY CASE, I WAS WRONG AND WHAT THEY DID OR SAID WAS exactly RIGHT.

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    peter nap wrote:
    SNIP ...WHAT THEY DID OR SAID WAS exactly RIGHT.
    Philip Van Cleave has been fighting for our rights for a while now. He's supported by very capable Board members and a quite a few Executive Members.

    They are very effective.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    peter nap wrote:
    Abno, I sign up a couple of people every year and pay the first years dues for them. I almost always meet them at the next gunshow and just give them the money for the dues. I also give them a VCDL patch so they have a membership something...until their card comes. I have my two for this year and will sign one up at the next show. The other one wouldn't take a paid membership and just did his own.

    As far as VCDL painting everyone as a Liberal....I haven't noticed it. They have done a few things over the years that I thought were improper........IN EVERY CASE, I WAS WRONG AND WHAT THEY DID OR SAID WAS exactly RIGHT.
    I was trying to do it as a birthday present. :P

    There's always Christmas.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Mike wrote:
    Xeni wrote:
    Not to disuade people from joining; because I understand and agree with the efforts but the one thing that irks me about both the NRA and VCDL is when they catagorize all anti's as liberals.
    VCDL's alerts do not, or at least should not, categorize anti-gunners as liberals. From VA-ALERT: VCDL UPDATE 11/20/2007:

    **************************************************
    18. Reminder: Right to self-protection crosses party lines
    **************************************************

    Member Eric Smith sent this thoughtful discussion of how the issue of
    self protection crosses party lines. I urge all of us to be mindful
    of this. I do, from time to time, mention this issue in an update or
    alert. We have members who are Democrat, very liberal Democrats, who
    believe strongly in our right to keep and bear arms. We don't want
    to alienate any of our fellow gun owners and activists.

    Heck, I have met many "conservative" Republicans who don't like the
    Second Amendment.

    That is why it is important to use the term "anti-gunner" to describe
    the opposition.

    Eric Smith wrote:

    --

    I've noticed that often times in LTE's, statements, conversations,
    etc. that 2nd Amendment defenders tend to use phrases like
    "Bleeding-heart" "Left-wing" or even just "Liberal" with enough oomph
    behind it to sound like a 4 letter word.

    I understand those feelings and have said those things myself.

    However, if we're going to be debating the issue publicly, I can say
    from personal experience, that if you aren't solidly republican,
    those phrases tend to make you less inclined to listen to the rest of
    the debate, or even the issue at hand.

    Once simple slurs come out, a lot of non-right wing people, who are
    otherwise enamored with their 2nd amendment rights, get the "Gun Nut"
    impression. I know we aren't "Gun Nuts" holed up waiting for the FBI,
    and so do you, but to a lot of less involved people, that's how it
    comes across.

    I think, in an effort to defeat those who would take away our rights,
    we should follow the tradition of VCDL's membership, in being polite,
    civil, and levelheaded in our conversations/debates/public forums.
    Let the other side keep up the hail of insults and derogatory terms.
    This includes not resorting to "Liberal" slinging. Many of our
    supporters are otherwise "Liberal" and may either not feel welcome,
    or like they're the odd one out.

    We need all the over 21 non-felon bodies we can get. No sense in
    accidentally alienating any of them, especially if they do agree with
    us and would otherwise join. [PVC: No need for me to say it, as Eric
    has said it quite well.]
    Yup, seen that before. I'll keep an eye out and if it looks like things are different and persons claiming to be affiliated with VCDL are not referring to all antis- as liberals then I'll join up.

    Sides, a VCDL membership card would be a great compliment to my ACLU membership card.

    -X

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    Xeni wrote:
    Sides, a VCDL membership card would be a great compliment to my ACLU membership card.

    -X
    Sure would...since the ACLU doesn't seem to understand or care that there are TEN amendments in the Bill of Rights.

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    Welcome to the club Diesel! I joined right after I read about the Tony's 7 incident, which has prompted me to become more aware of and involved in 2A support and issues.

    So, gotta give the Manassas PD that harassed the 7 some credit, they've indirectly helped the fight for 2A rights and awareness... at least as far as I'm concerned.

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    Thanks 72 Malibu. I just joined late last month. I was told that I should recieve a membership card within the next month or so.

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    Another benefit of membership is that VCDL counts as an "affiliated club" for the CMP if you are looking at purchasing rifles or ammo from them!

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    Why is the VCDL againist Smith & Wesson?

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    HMDGLOCK wrote:
    Why is the VCDL againist Smith & Wesson?
    They caved and cut a deal with the Clinton Administration.

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    HMDGLOCK wrote:
    Why is the VCDL againist Smith & Wesson?
    Quoted from the VCDL web site at http://www.vcdl.org :

    NOTE: THE NEW OWNERS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FIX THE EGREGIOUS AGREEMENT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS SIGNED WITH THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. OUR CALL FOR A BOYCOTT OF SMITH & WESSON STILL STANDS!

    The Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. is calling for all supporters of the Second Amendment to vote with their pocket books, and refuse to purchase any products from Smith & Wesson. This boycott is the only viable course of action against a corporate management which has agreed with the Clinton administration to impose regulations on the American people which they could not get from our elected representatives. Smith & Wesson has agreed to impose on its dealers requirements that they not sell guns at gun shows when private sales occur without a background check, even though such sales would otherwise be lawful. Further, each sale of Smith & Wesson firearms must include a written certification that the purchaser has obtained training in the safe handling and storage of firearms.

    A more important issue is that guns cannot be transferred as allowed under the Brady Law if the background check is not completed in the legally allowed time. One must wait for the background check to be complete, even if it is dragged out for months. Remember how the National Instant Check System was down for days on the weekend of the so called "Million Mom March?"

    The sale of Smith & Wesson to a US based company is irrelevant to the issue. Neither the old company (Tompkins), nor the new company (then called Saf-T-Hammer), have done anything to void the March 17, 2000 agreement. At the February 2002 S. H. O. T. Show in Las Vegas, then Smith & Wesson President, Bob Scott, admitted to me and another activist, that the agreement is still in place, and if we get a new US President, it could immediately be enforced. Please look at the agreement to remind yourself as to how egregious is at:

    http://www.hud.gov/library/bookshelf.../gunagree.html

    The agreement contains nearly all of the items on the gun haters wish list. Please look at the web page. If it doesn't make you angry, you are not a supporter of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. On principle, we oppose those who would ban Smith & Wesson's new gun, or any other gun. However, we hope no supporter of our gun rights will support Smith & Wesson by purchasing it, or any other of their guns, until they void the HUD agreement.

    Let's be clear; Smith & Wesson cannot be allowed to hide behind the notion that we are better off that it is owned by a US company, than an UK company. So far, both companies are exactly the same; they both are supportive of the agreement they made with Clinton's HUD.

    Related Links:
    http://www.gunowners.org/a03210 0.htm
    http://www.ustreas.g ov/press/releases/ls551.htm
    http://www.lnei lsmith.com/smithandwessonmustdie.html
    http://www.actioname rica.org/guns/swbetray.html
    http://hunting. about.com/library/weekly/aa010515.htm
    GRPC Resolution Concerning Smith & Wesson

    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    Thank You,im done withSmith & Wesson. I was going to buy theM&P 4.0when i got some money after christmas but i am going to now.

    Thanks again

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    HMDGLOCK wrote:
    Thank You,im done withSmith & Wesson. I was going to buy theM&P 4.0when i got some money after christmas but i am going to now.

    Thanks again
    I wonder if they've lost more money from cutting that deal than they would've lost in litigation costs.

    In any case, I've heard S+W semi-autos suck.

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    HMDGLOCK wrote:
    Thank You,┬*im done with┬*Smith & Wesson. I was going to buy the┬*M&P 4.0┬*when i got some money after christmas but i am going to now.

    Thanks again
    Don't quit them just yet!

    http://www.swformen.com/RealStrength.htm

    HAHAHA. (from the other thread on SW)
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