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    can you take your gun in another country if you are visiting that country and have US gun permit and you are US citizen? Do you need any special requirements besides declaring with the airlines.?

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    Sure you can.

    Provided you don't mind spending time in a foreign prison.



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    I would say check the laws of the country in question. You can find the rules for traveling at the airport.

    I would also say leave it at home. Personally, even if I had the OK to carry in another country I would refrain. You had better be completely versed in their laws. I would not want any trouble in another country.

    Good luck in finding a country that will allow you to carry. Might have a easier time catching a fart in the wind.:P

    IMHO

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    Join the Marines, they will let you carry in other countries

    Bad idea IMO as stated before. Gun laws in most other countries are extremely restrictive.

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    thank you. Has anyone taken gun in any foreign country as a civilian?

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    swatpro911 wrote:
    thank you. Has anyone taken gun in any foreign country as a civilian?
    Certainly.

    Here the meaning of 'civilian' is significant. Do you mean 'non-military' or 'not government agent'?

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with sits and guns and the truth. LAB/NRA/GOP *******

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    I heard that if someone needs to take their gun in foreign country they have to get permit from that country? I am speaking of non military or government agents.

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    I have heard of Americans who have hunted in Africa or Mexico with their own weapons, (rifles) but they have to be cleared in advance by the foreign country and registered on arrival. They can only be used for hunting and can't be carried otherwise. I'm sure bringing a pistol into many foreign countries would be even more difficult, or in the case of Great Britain, probably impossible.

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    http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/va...d.xml#Firearms

    Firearms
    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) regulates and restricts firearms and ammunition; and approves all import transactions involving weapons and ammunition. If you want to import or export weapons or ammunition, you must do so through a licensed importer, dealer, or manufacturer. Also, if the National Firearms Act prohibits certain weapons, ammunition, or similar devices from coming into the country, you will not be able to import them unless the ATF provides you with written authorization to do so.


    You do not need an ATF permit if you can demonstrate that you are returning with the same firearms or ammunition that you took out of the United States. To prevent problems when returning, you should register your firearms and related equipment by taking them to any CBP office before you leave the United States. The CBP officer will register them on the same CBP Form-4457 used to register cameras or computers. (See the section on Register Items Before You Leave the United States).

    For further information about importing weapons, contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20226; or call (202) 927-8320; or visit www.atf.gov ( Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ) .

    Many countries will not allow you to enter with a firearm even if you are only traveling through the country on the way to your final destination. If you plan to take your firearms or ammunition to another country, you should contact officials at that country’s embassy to learn about its regulations.

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    Hmm, so which foreign countries are firearms-carry-friendly?

    At the moment, I can only think of Israel, but only for Jews.

    Certainly, there are many countries where firearms carry laws aren't very well enforced. See Pakistan. But I'm sure that arrival at an airport will raise a red flag.

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    swatpro911 wrote:
    can you take your gun in another country if you are visiting that country and have US gun permit and you are US citizen?
    What's a US gun permit? Do you mean like a page torn out of a pocket-constitution?

    Liberty, meet swatpro911. Swatpro911, Liberty.

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    Don't worry, you can just mail your airsoft gun to whatever country you're going to.

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    US citizens take firearms into Canada everyday, they must get a permit from Canada and pay a permit fee (was $50 per gunI think). You can NOT take a handgun into Canada, even if you are LEO's (at least Michigan State Troppers can't). Maybe there are provisions for official duty, I don't know.
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    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Last I checked you could take handguns into Canada if you pre-clear it with the RCMP Firearms Centre (800-731-4000), and subject to certain restrictions (and declare them to Customs at the border crossing, of course). I do know that .25 and .32 caliber handguns are absolutely banned, and permitted hanguns have to have a barrel length of at least 105mm. Check with them for details - it may have changed since I checked last.

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    Legba wrote:
    Last I checked you could take handguns into Canada if you pre-clear it with the RCMP Firearms Centre (800-731-4000), and subject to certain restrictions (and declare them to Customs at the border crossing, of course). I do know that .25 and .32 caliber handguns are absolutely banned, and permitted hanguns have to have a barrel length of at least 105mm. Check with them for details - it may have changed since I checked last.

    -ljp

    You are correct,below is edited from the Canada Instruction sheet for declaring a firearm. I seem to remember when you could not take a handgun into Canada.

    CAFC 909 EFW (2007/01/01) V3 RCMP GRC 5589

    INSTRUCTION SHEET

    NON-RESIDENT

    FIREARM DECLARATION

    >>>>>>Deleted parts>>>>>

    a)
    Indicate the type of firearm.

    If you have a combination gun, you must provide the gauge and calibre.

    If none of the types mentioned fit, please check Other and specify. An

    example is a firearm design that uses a spring, compressed air or gas to

    propel projectiles at a speed over 152.4 m/s, (500 ft./sec.) and at a muzzle

    energy exceeding 5.7 joules (4.2 foot pounds).

    Firearm Definitions

    A non-restricted firearm is:

    - An ordinary rifle, shotgun or combination gun that is not described below

    as being restricted or prohibited.

    A restricted firearm is:

    - A handgun that is not a prohibited firearm.

    - A semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than

    470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited.

    - A rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by

    folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26

    inches).

    - Any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).

    A prohibited firearm is:

    - A handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less.

    - A handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition.

    - A rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26

    inches) in overall length.

    - A rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than

    457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26

    inches) or more.

    - An automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm.

    - Any firearm prescribed as prohibited.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Also found this from the same site. You can only bring a handgun into Canada for target shooting, not for hunting or protection.

    Firearm Users Visiting Canada
    The Canada Border Services Agency is responsible for controlling items brought into Canada. However, here is some basic information if you wish to bring a firearm or other item regulated by the Firearms Act into Canada.

    The Firearms Act is a federal law and applies all across the country. Provinces may have additional requirements, especially with respect to hunting.

    You must be at least 18 years old to bring a firearm into Canada. If you are younger than 18, you may use a firearm in certain circumstances, but an adult must remain responsible for the firearm.

    If you have been convicted of anything considered a criminal offence in Canada, including driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you will need to get approval of rehabilitation or a temporary immigration permit from Canada’s Minister of Citizenship and Immigration before you can enter Canada. Contact the nearest Canadian embassy or consulate for more information.

    Classes of Firearms and Devices
    There are three classes of firearms in Canada:

    • Non-restricted (most common rifles and shotguns): These may generally be imported for purposes such as hunting, protection from wild animals in remote wilderness areas where firearms are allowed, or target-shooting. They may also be taken in transit through Canada by a reasonably direct route.
    • Restricted: These are allowed for certain purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range, but they are not allowed for hunting or self-protection.
    • Prohibited: You cannot bring a prohibited firearm into Canada.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    one of my friend who often goes to canada said, A US GUN PERMIT IS NOT VALID IN CANADA period! Is he right?

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    If you mean a concealed weapons permit, no you can't use it in Canada. Canada is another nation, with their own gun laws. Countries are pretty leary about letting non citizens carry weapons (heck, Canada doesn't even like it's OWN citizens to carry guns...)
    So, no a US CCP is not legal in Canada. Many are useless outside of the state of issue.

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    If you mean a concealed weapons permit, no you can't use it in Canada. Canada is another nation, with their own gun laws. Countries are pretty leary about letting non citizens carry weapons (heck, Canada doesn't even like it's OWN citizens to carry guns...)
    So, no a US CCP is not legal in Canada. Many are useless outside of the state of issue.
    Maybe Hawaii and New York can work on reciprocity agreements with Canada...

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    Maybe Hawaii and New York can work on reciprocity agreements with Canada...
    "We'll keep your citizens disarmed if you keep ours the same way"

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    imperialism2024 wrote:
    Maybe Hawaii and New York can work on reciprocity agreements with Canada...
    "We'll keep your citizens disarmed if you keep ours the same way"
    Hmmm come to think of it, maybe they already have an agreement in place...

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    It's hard enough to figure out the gun laws in this country, written in my native language. I'm not about to try to figure out on my own how to have a weapon in another country. If I were going to go hunting out of the country I would go with some sort of tour group where they walk you through the process and know all the laws because it is their business to do so. As far as carrying for personal protection, I can't think of any country where one could do so as a visitor unless under the auspices of being a gov't employee, such as FBI, Secret Service or military. I would guess that in the few places you could carry a firearm, you would need to be a resident alien to do so. Anybody know of any place?
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    on canada gun website, there is a form for declaring a weapon for non-resident. If I am a citizen with permit adn qualified and I am just visiting then I guess I have to pay some fees and get it approved by them before I go there.

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    I'm reminded of my last trip to Canada. Crossing into Canada, they had signage to the effect of "Welcome to Canada - please leave your guns and narcotics at home." Upon returning to the States, the sign said "please leave your Cuban tobacco products at home." Bring all the guns and drugs you like, I guess. They ought to add"Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos" at this rate...

    -ljp

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