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    This topic comes from a discussion on the VA boards and I thought I'd put it in general political discussion.

    Romney is leading in NH and Iowa and is spending vast amounts of his own wealth to become president. This thread is meant to discuss his various (and I literally mean VARIOUS) views on gun control. Since he's had about 27 different views in the last 20 years on pretty much every issues, this may take awhile, but I think it's a worthwhile effort. Feel free to post the scores of videos of Romney and his various positions on gun control. Also, if anyone could find the video of him stating his support for the Assault Weapons Ban at the second GOP debate, that'd be great.

    Any Mittwits feel free to chime in about how he's "changed" and that's why he's all of a sudden a conservative on gun control, gay rights, abortion immigration and taxes...all within the last2 years.

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    This started when someone mentioned Romney's religion. I stated that Romney's religious beliefs don't bother me one bit. It's the fact that he's a liar without any guiding principles. It's also the fact that every time he speaks, he sounds like he's repeating words written for him by someone else. It's the fact that every time he repeats those soundbites written for him by his consultants, they contradict what he said just a year or 2 years before. He seriously sickens me. Every time I hear that robotic voice and see that slick hair I want to f***ing throw up.

    He also scares me because I have NO IDEA how he would govern as president. His record and rhetoric are so inconsistent that there's no telling what he'd do.

    One thing is clear about Romney: HE IS NOT FRIENDLY TOWARDS THE SECOND AMENDMENT

    In the second GOP debate, Romney went out of his way to say, "I support the 2nd Amendment, but I also support an Assault Weapons Ban."

    see this videoas he's caught off guard and shows his true colors, mentioning hunting when asked about the 2nd Amendment, misstating actual gun laws (saying automatic weapons aren't available to the public) and stating thathe's for gun control.

    Now this is what pisses me off!!In 2002Mitt said he supports MA gun control laws andpromised "I support them. I won't chip away at them" saying they make people safe :shock: (I repeat, he said he SUPPPORTED MASSACHUSSETTS GUN CONTROL LAWS AND SAID THEY MADE PEOPLE SAFER). Now he says to the NRA that he "expanded the rights of gun owners" while governor.................

    WHICH IS IT, YOULYING^&$#@*^& !!!???You're either lying to us, you lied to them or you're lying to both of us. And if you lied to the libs in your state to get elected, why should we trust you now?

    And don't forget that he's a "lifelong hunter"...except he's never actually been hunting buttwice in his entire adult life. Oh, and then there's how he constantly attacked the NRA while he was governor of MA and now carries his "lifetime NRA member" card everywhere he goes. It's IMPOSSIBLE to know where he ACTUALLY stands. That's why he's so scary.

    He's done the same flip-flopping, double-talking and LYING when it comes to abortion, immigration, tax-raising and gay marriage.

    There is no way in HELL I would ever vote for Mitt Romney. Ever. If the Angel Gabriel came to me and told me I would cast the deciding vote of the 2008 election and it was between Hillary and Romney, I would still write in Mickey Mouse before pulling the lever for that ....ahem...I don't want to call him a man...or a person..... Of all the candidates, Romney is the only one I hate because he's such a transparent liar. It appears he's going to get away with it too.

    Here's the Gun Owners of America take on Multiple Mitt: http://gunowners.org/pres08/romney.htm


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    I would rather wound myself than vote for Romney.

    I would rather set off a doomsday device, destroying the entire human race than vote for Giuliani.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    :Xsuicide is never a option.

    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    Choose death. I'll probably vote for Dennis in the primary and boycott the actual election, for want of anyone worthy, and not from indifference.

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    Agent19 wrote:
    :Xsuicide is never a option.

    McCain,Romney, Giuliani will notget my vote
    i'd sooner vote for Booze the Clown, Boo Boo the fool or a dirt clump
    however, i have a little respect for McCain as a former service member but it ends there

    Ron Paul is my guy.
    So, who are you going to vote for in the general election?

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    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    You didn't specify whether we're talking about voting in the Primary or the General Election. In the General Election, I'm obviously voting for the Republican candidate for President, whoever (whomever?) that may be. I'll assume this discussion pertains to the Primary.

    Even though I'm as passionate as anyone about Gun Rights, I'm still not a single-issue voter. I have to balance a candidate's entire "portfolio," if you will. From a strictly Gun Rights perspective, Ron Paul might be the best option, but I have to balance that against the fact that the guy is a ******* nut-case!

    In the non-*******-nut-case category, I like Romney's stand on Gun Rights a lot better than Guilani's, and Thompson's best of all.



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    ScottNH wrote:
    You didn't specify whether we're talking about voting in the Primary or the General Election. In the General Election, I'm obviously voting for the Republican candidate for President, whoever (whomever?) that may be. I'll assume this discussion pertains to the Primary.

    Even though I'm as passionate as anyone about Gun Rights, I'm still not a single-issue voter. I have to balance a candidate's entire "portfolio," if you will. From a strictly Gun Rights perspective, Ron Paul might be the best option, but I have to balance that against the fact that the guy is a ******* nut-case!

    In the non-*******-nut-case category, I like Romney's stand on Gun Rights a lot better than Guilani's, and Thompson's best of all.

    My nomination for the second best post this week on OCDO.



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    ScottNH wrote:
    Even though I'm as passionate as anyone about Gun Rights, I'm still not a single-issue voter. I have to balance a candidate's entire "portfolio," if you will. From a strictly Gun Rights perspective, Ron Paul might be the best option, but I have to balance that against the fact that the guy is a ******* nut-case!
    Get it right... not a nut-case, but someone who is crazy enough to believe that the Bill of Rights isn't a buffet.

    I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate
    Would you move if hegot elected?

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    ScottNH wrote:
    You didn't specify whether we're talking about voting in the Primary or the General Election. In the General Election, I'm obviously voting for the Republican candidate for President, whoever (whomever?) that may be. I'll assume this discussion pertains to the Primary.

    Even though I'm as passionate as anyone about Gun Rights, I'm still not a single-issue voter. I have to balance a candidate's entire "portfolio," if you will. From a strictly Gun Rights perspective, Ron Paul might be the best option, but I have to balance that against the fact that the guy is a_______ nut-case!

    In the non-________-nut-case category, I like Romney's stand on Gun Rights a lot better than Guilani's, and Thompson's best of all.

    Except for the expletives,:what: which I deleted, I agree with ScottNH.

    Scott I could not have said it better, except for the expletives,:what: and I agree with HankT that it was an excellent post.



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    HankT wrote:
    imperialism2024 wrote:
    I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate
    Would you move if hegot elected?
    Please say yes.



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    HankT wrote:
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    I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate
    Would you move if hegot elected?
    Maybe. I'll admit that I don't fear he would actively push for anti-gun legislation, but I sure wouldn't expect any pro-gun legislation either. He just seems too confused about his stance on gun owners' rights to go very far either way.

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    It is a indeed a crappy group of candidates top choose from. How about Mike Huckabee? I think he is for gun rights. At the moment he has a better chance in the polls than Ron Paul as a serious contender. All of the the Democrats seem to be left wing anti-gun socialists and God help us if they take the White House.

    Redskin safety Sean Taylor lacked a gun in his bedroom last night ,and the armed thug burglar proved that a gun is a better self defense weapon than a knife. Had Sean Taylor been armed maybe the burglar would be in the morgue instead. If the wrong candidate gets in the White House there likely will be more Sean Taylor stories with people holding candles for all the good that does.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    HankT wrote:
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    I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate
    Would you move if hegot elected?
    Maybe. I'll admit that I don't fear he would actively push for anti-gun legislation, but I sure wouldn't expect any pro-gun legislation either. He just seems too confused about his stance on gun owners' rights to go very far either way.

    I think what we all have to realize is that there is a political/social/legislative/executive/SIG structure out there that makes it exceedingly, really exceedingly difficult for anyone to actively push for anti-gun legislation now or in the immediate future.

    That is due to the legislative and lobbying efforts of the NRA (and other pro-groups, of course) for the last thirty years.

    That structure is pretty strong right now. It was shrewdly and persistently built by the NRA. It won't go away in 2009. Or 2019....or 2029....

    Those guys are good....

    So you really don't have to reserve any moving boxes.... :P


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    ScottNH wrote:
    You didn't specify whether we're talking about voting in the Primary or the General Election.
    When I said I would never vote for Romney "ever." I meant "ever." Not under any circumstances. That man is a scumbag.


    I still fail to see how having a literal interpretation of the Constitution makes Ron Paul a nutcase. The fact that this low-level insult is the only attack on RP says alot.

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    Redskin safety Sean Taylor lacked a gun in his bedroom last night ,and the armed thug burglar proved that a gun is a better self defense weapon than a knife. Had Sean Taylor been armed maybe the burglar would be in the morgue instead. If the wrong candidate gets in the White House there likely will be more Sean Taylor stories with people holding candles for all the good that does.
    While there are other threads for this discussion, I'd like to make a correction that Taylor's assailant was a robber, not a burglar. Burglars commit crimes against property and avoid people at all costs. Robbers commit crimes against persons, generally have few issues with confronting people and using force, more easily escalate to assault and homocide. It's convenient for trigger-happy gun owners to throw the first group into the second in order to justify their own vigilante agenda.

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    mlands wrote:
    It is a indeed a crappy group of candidates top choose from. How about Mike Huckabee? I think he is for gun rights. At the moment he has a better chance in the polls than Ron Paul as a serious contender. All of the the Democrats seem to be left wing anti-gun socialists and God help us if they take the White House.
    Huckabee is great on gun rights, but horribly liberal on everything else (or wonderfully liberal, depending on your point of view).

    Also, Ron Paul is beating Huckabee in a few of the early states, so you can't say that Huckabee has a "better chance in the polls." You may want to re-evaluate your news sources.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    While there are other threads for this discussion, I'd like to make a correction that Taylor's assailant was a robber, not a burglar. Burglars commit crimes against property and avoid people at all costs. Robbers commit crimes against persons, generally have few issues with confronting people and using force, more easily escalate to assault and homocide. It's convenient for trigger-happy gun owners to throw the first group into the second in order to justify their own vigilante agenda.
    I am not a lawyer

    While you're correct that burglary is a crime against property,I don't think it's correct to say burglars "avoid people at all cost." Many burglars are robbers and all home robberies involve burglary.

    Burglary is simple entering the dwelling of another with the intent to commit a crime inside...I think. In Virginia, one may use deadly force to remove an intruder from your home...can't find the cite.

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    ama-gi wrote:
    ....When I said I would never vote for Romney "ever." I meant "ever." Not under any circumstances. That man is a scumbag......


    And you know this because.....?



    You have had what personal interactions with the man that lead you to believe this?



    ama-gi wrote:
    ....I still fail to see how having a literal interpretation of the Constitution makes Ron Paul a nutcase. The fact that this low-level insult is the only attack on RP says alot.....



    I have no real problem with Ron Paul's interpretation of the second amendment to the constitution. When I listened to him during the debates, my interpretation of his words, mannerisms and actions was of a man that I felt was a couple of bricks shy of a load.

    My ability to discern the character and capabilitiesof individuals has served me well for many, many years. I make my living by negotiating contracts between large cooperations and I use this ability every day and quite successfully, I may add. My gut tells me that this is not a man I want controlling our country.

    I don't agree completely with any of the candidates, but I fear several and he is one of those I fear.



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    Words to live by:

    1. Acta non Verba

    2. Live Free or Die

    3. Sic Semper Tyrannis

    4. Μολὼν λαβ*

    Romney was a complete sellout of 2A during the Winter Olympics.

    Romney supported the wholesale 2A abridgement while governor of MA.

    Romney is no friend of our civil right to KABA. He is definitely part of the problem, not part of the solution.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    the guy who shot Taylor is neither an robber or burglar he is a murder

    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
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    imperialism2024 wrote:
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    Redskin safety Sean Taylor lacked a gun in his bedroom last night ,and the armed thug burglar proved that a gun is a better self defense weapon than a knife. Had Sean Taylor been armed maybe the burglar would be in the morgue instead. If the wrong candidate gets in the White House there likely will be more Sean Taylor stories with people holding candles for all the good that does.
    While there are other threads for this discussion, I'd like to make a correction that Taylor's assailant was a robber, not a burglar. Burglars commit crimes against property and avoid people at all costs. Robbers commit crimes against persons, generally have few issues with confronting people and using force, more easily escalate to assault and homocide. It's convenient for trigger-happy gun owners to throw the first group into the second in order to justify their own vigilante agenda.
    I think that there is even better evidence that he was assassinated. the killer came into his house not caring how much noise he made, came right for the bedroom, kicking in doors and fired as he entered. He shot only Taylor and then left. there is more information on another thread on this forum.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/6291.html

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    Agent19 wrote:
    .....the guy who shot Taylor is neither an robber or burglar he is a murder
    You got that right.



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    tarzan1888 wrote:
    ama-gi wrote:
    ....When I said I would never vote for Romney "ever." I meant "ever." Not under any circumstances. That man is a scumbag......


    And you know this because.....?



    You have had what personal interactions with the man that lead you to believe this?
    Read the first post of this thread. It tells you everything you need to know to answer that question. To sum it up, Romney is a boldface liar who will consistently repeat the opposite of the plain truth(by saying things like "I was a strong support of the 2nd Amendment andalways have been" even though a simple google search will prove that false).

    He changes positions when it suits him and then lies that he ever had a different position. He did it to the voters of MA saying he'd ALWAYS been a liberal and always WOULD be a liberal, then betrayed them when he started eyeying the presidency. Now he tells us he's ALWAYS been a conservative. He's nauseating.

    "We have always been at war with Eurasia...err...I mean Oceanea. Always." (For all those who don't know, that's a nod to Orwell's 1984).



    As far as you thinking Ron Paul is crazy (another in a long line of non-substantive personal attacks against Dr. Paul), I think we just may look for different things in candidates. You presumably don't mind Romney's obviously super-fake, plastic, robotic, sound-byte persona. It annoys the crap out of me. You find Dr. Paul's off-the-cuff, honest, from the heart, grandfatherlystyle off-putting. It's one of the things I like most about him.

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