Question: would you rather kill yourself or vote for Romney?

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Words to live by:

1. Acta non Verba

2. Live Free or Die

3. Sic Semper Tyrannis

4. Μολὼν λαβέ

Romney was a complete sellout of 2A during the Winter Olympics.

Romney supported the wholesale 2A abridgement while governor of MA.

Romney is no friend of our civil right to KABA. He is definitely part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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the guy who shot Taylor is neither an robber or burglar he is a murder

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imperialism2024 wrote:

mlands wrote:

Redskin safety Sean Taylor lacked a gun in his bedroom last night ,and the armed thug burglar proved that a gun is a better self defense weapon than a knife. Had Sean Taylor been armed maybe the burglar would be in the morgue instead. If the wrong candidate gets in the White House there likely will be more Sean Taylor stories with people holding candles for all the good that does.

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While there are other threads for this discussion, I'd like to make a correction that Taylor's assailant was a robber, not a burglar. Burglars commit crimes against property and avoid people at all costs. Robbers commit crimes against persons, generally have few issues with confronting people and using force, more easily escalate to assault and homocide. It's convenient for trigger-happy gun owners to throw the first group into the second in order to justify their own vigilante agenda.

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I think that there is even better evidence that he was assassinated. the killer came into his house not caring how much noise he made, came right for the bedroom, kicking in doors and fired as he entered. He shot only Taylor and then left. there is more information on another thread on this forum.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/6291.html

Tarzan

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Agent19 wrote:

.....the guy who shot Taylor is neither an robber or burglar he is a murder

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You got that right.



Tarzan

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tarzan1888 wrote:

ama-gi wrote:

....When I said I would never vote for Romney "ever." I meant "ever." Not under any circumstances. That man is a scumbag......

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And you know this because.....?



You have had what personal interactions with the man that lead you to believe this?

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Read the first post of this thread. It tells you everything you need to know to answer that question. To sum it up, Romney is a boldface liar who will consistently repeat the opposite of the plain truth(by saying things like "I was a strong support of the 2nd Amendment andalways have been" even though a simple google search will prove that false).

He changes positions when it suits him and then lies that he ever had a different position. He did it to the voters of MA saying he'd ALWAYS been a liberal and always WOULD be a liberal, then betrayed them when he started eyeying the presidency. Now he tells us he's ALWAYS been a conservative. He's nauseating.

"We have always been at war with Eurasia...err...I mean Oceanea. Always." (For all those who don't know, that's a nod to Orwell's 1984).



As far as you thinking Ron Paul is crazy (another in a long line of non-substantive personal attacks against Dr. Paul), I think we just may look for different things in candidates. You presumably don't mind Romney's obviously super-fake, plastic, robotic, sound-byte persona. It annoys the crap out of me. You find Dr. Paul's off-the-cuff, honest, from the heart, grandfatherlystyle off-putting. It's one of the things I like most about him.

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Agent19 wrote:

Calling Ron Paul a F****** nut case is a poor argument, please cite the insane things he has said or done.

If standing up for what we believe in is nuts, aren't we all:question::question::question::question::question:
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the guy who shot Taylor is neither an robber or burglar he is a murder

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Gosh, where to start, it's such fertile ground.

Let's see...

Abolish the IRS

End income tax

Return to Isolationism

Abolish the Department of Education

Bring back tarrifs

Fears of "The North American Union"

Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley (Go, Enron!)

The "conspiracy" of the Federal Reserve

The list goes on. Basically, the guy is the GOP's version of Dennis Kucinich, except of the gun-thing, and that's not enough for me to offset the other craziness. I'm sure David Duke's views on gun rights are pretty strong, too, but he ain't getting my vote, either.

"Standing up for what you believe in" doesn't make your cause right, or righteous. It's what you believe that counts. Suicide bombers stand up for what they believe in, but nobody's running around holding them up as examples.

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ScottNH wrote:

Agent19 wrote:

Calling Ron Paul a F****** nut case is a poor argument, please cite the insane things he has said or done.

If standing up for what we believe in is nuts, aren't we all:question::question::question::question::question:
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the guy who shot Taylor is neither an robber or burglar he is a murder

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Gosh, where to start, it's such fertile ground.

Let's see...

Abolish the IRS

End income tax

Return to Isolationism

Abolish the Department of Education

Bring back tarrifs

Fears of "The North American Union"

"This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system." OOOOOooooo. Scary. What's next? Trilateral Commission? New World Order? The plotting of the Masons and Shriners?
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Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley (Go, Enron!)

The "conspiracy" of the Federal Reserve

The list goes on. Basically, the guy is the GOP's version of Dennis Kucinich, except of the gun-thing, and that's not enough for me to offset the other craziness. I'm sure David Duke's views on gun rights are pretty strong, too, but he ain't getting my vote, either.

"Standing up for what you believe in" doesn't make your cause right, or righteous. It's what you believe that counts. Suicide bombers stand up for what they believe in, but nobody's running around holding them up as examples.

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Well said; you forgot the following news story;



RENO, Nev. -- It’s not exactly your average Republican fundraiser. A Nevada brothel owner is giving Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul his stamp of approval and plans to start raising money for the Texas congressman.

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou071126_rm_paulendorsement.3ef7aa55.html



Tarzan

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The list you've enumerated probably representsthe very things which make him (generally) popular in this forum. The Illuminati just want you to think he's crazy, in any case.

-ljp

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ama-gi wrote:

As far as you thinking Ron Paul is crazy (another in a long line of non-substantive personal attacks against Dr. Paul), I think we just may look for different things in candidates. You presumably don't mind Romney's obviously super-fake, plastic, robotic, sound-byte persona. It annoys the crap out of me. You find Dr. Paul's off-the-cuff, honest, from the heart, grandfatherlystyle off-putting. It's one of the things I like most about him.

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What is it with you guys always calling him Dr. Paul? Is this supposed to make me believe him? I have 3 post graduate degrees, but I don't think that thisshould make you believe me.
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I am not attacking Ron Paul. I have stated that I do not agree with him and my gut tells me that he is not good for the country or the world. I don't like everything about Romney either, but I feel a whole lot more comfortable with him and his views than I do with Ron Paul.

I do like Fred Thompson, but if you don't that is OK as I don't take it personally.

This hate directed at individuals is really not healthy.

Tarzan

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tarzan1888 wrote:

What is it with you guys always calling him Dr. Paul?

This hate directed at individuals is really not healthy.

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he earned it:exclaim:
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ScottNH wrote:

Agent19 wrote:

Calling Ron Paul a F****** nut case is a poor argument, please cite the insane things he has said or done.

If standing up for what we believe in is nuts, aren't we all:question::question::question::question::question:
:question:

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Gosh, where to start, it's such fertile ground.

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Abolish the IRS

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Yes, small government is SOOOOO antithetical to what TRUE REPUBLICAN values are all about. Does that mean Huckabee is a nutcase too?

End income tax

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Same question as above

Return to Isolationism

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[size=-1]Jefferson's belief in "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none" is not isolationsim. It's simply bringing our foreign policy in line with the founders' vision. Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist because he wants open trade with all nations. The true isolationists are those who start wars and impose embargoes on countries. That's what isolationism is.[/size]

Abolish the Department of Education

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Yeah, Reagan was such a nutcase for suggesting that

Bring back tarrifs

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Cite please. You won't find one because Ron Paul does not and would not support tarrifs. Where are you getting your info?



Comparing someone who wants to pare our gov't down to its Constitutional size to that socialist Denis Kucinichonly further showcases your ignorance. Denis Kucinich is for huge government...the two candidates are almost mirror images.

I saw a video on Youtube ofa speech by Reagan in support of Barry Goldwater. The similarities between what Ron Paul is saying and what Reagan said in that speech are astounding. Right down the line: Reagan said we needed to stop foreign entanglements, preserve the gold standard, and keep the federal government small.

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tarzan1888 wrote:

ama-gi wrote:

As far as you thinking Ron Paul is crazy (another in a long line of non-substantive personal attacks against Dr. Paul), I think we just may look for different things in candidates. You presumably don't mind Romney's obviously super-fake, plastic, robotic, sound-byte persona. It annoys the crap out of me. You find Dr. Paul's off-the-cuff, honest, from the heart, grandfatherlystyle off-putting. It's one of the things I like most about him.

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What is it with you guys always calling him Dr. Paul? Is this supposed to make me believe him? I have 3 post graduate degrees, but I don't think that thisshould make you believe me.
:banghead:
I am not attacking Ron Paul. I have stated that I do not agree with him and my gut tells me that he is not good for the country or the world. I don't like everything about Romney either, but I feel a whole lot more comfortable with him and his views than I do with Ron Paul.

I do like Fred Thompson, but if you don't that is OK as I don't take it personally.

This hate directed at individuals is really not healthy.

Tarzan

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I call him Dr. Paul because he is a medical doctor. It has nothing to do with whether you should believe him or not.

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ama-gi wrote:

tarzan1888 wrote:

ama-gi wrote:

As far as you thinking Ron Paul is crazy (another in a long line of non-substantive personal attacks against Dr. Paul), I think we just may look for different things in candidates. You presumably don't mind Romney's obviously super-fake, plastic, robotic, sound-byte persona. It annoys the crap out of me. You find Dr. Paul's off-the-cuff, honest, from the heart, grandfatherlystyle off-putting. It's one of the things I like most about him.

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What is it with you guys always calling him Dr. Paul? Is this supposed to make me believe him? I have 3 post graduate degrees, but I don't think that thisshould make you believe me.
:banghead:
I am not attacking Ron Paul. I have stated that I do not agree with him and my gut tells me that he is not good for the country or the world. I don't like everything about Romney either, but I feel a whole lot more comfortable with him and his views than I do with Ron Paul.

I do like Fred Thompson, but if you don't that is OK as I don't take it personally.

This hate directed at individuals is really not healthy.

Tarzan

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I call him Dr. Paul because he is a medical doctor. It has nothing to do with whether you should believe him or not.

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Thanks I didn't know that.



Tarzan

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tarzan1888 wrote:

Thanks I didn't know that.



Tarzan

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No problem.

A question for you...you said you're 'more comfortable' with Romney's views. Does that mean your comfortable with a federal gun ban that Romney supports?

Further, what views exactly do you find more comforting (please give approximate dates so we can know which position you are referring to...it's hard to keep up with him at times). Do you really trust him? I mean, a man who not only makes up stuff about his past positions but fabricates stories out of thin air...you feel comfortable with that?

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imperialism2024 wrote:

HankT wrote:

imperialism2024 wrote:

I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate

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Would you move if hegot elected?

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Maybe. I'll admit that I don't fear he would actively push for anti-gun legislation, but I sure wouldn't expect any pro-gun legislation either. He just seems too confused about his stance on gun owners' rights to go very far either way.

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The Dems will control congress after 2008. There's no doubt they'll control the senate and little doubt they'll control the house. They'll probably send an gun ban to the president's desk.

Romney has promised to sign the gun ban.

What more do you need?

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ama-gi wrote:

imperialism2024 wrote:

HankT wrote:

imperialism2024 wrote:

I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate

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Would you move if hegot elected?

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Maybe. I'll admit that I don't fear he would actively push for anti-gun legislation, but I sure wouldn't expect any pro-gun legislation either. He just seems too confused about his stance on gun owners' rights to go very far either way.

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The Dems will control congress after 2008. There's no doubt they'll control the senate and little doubt they'll control the house. They'll probably send an gun ban to the president's desk.

Romney has promised to sign the gun ban.

What more do you need?

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Oh, I entirely understand. I'm not saying I'd ever vote for Romney. Merely that his election alone wouldn't be an emmigration-worthy event.

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imperialism2024 wrote:

ama-gi wrote:

imperialism2024 wrote:

HankT wrote:

imperialism2024 wrote:

I'll move to Pakistan before voting for Romney. :celebrate

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Would you move if hegot elected?

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Maybe. I'll admit that I don't fear he would actively push for anti-gun legislation, but I sure wouldn't expect any pro-gun legislation either. He just seems too confused about his stance on gun owners' rights to go very far either way.

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The Dems will control congress after 2008. There's no doubt they'll control the senate and little doubt they'll control the house. They'll probably send an gun ban to the president's desk.

Romney has promised to sign the gun ban.

What more do you need?

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Oh, I entirely understand. I'm not saying I'd ever vote for Romney. Merely that his election alone wouldn't be an emmigration-worthy event.

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I agree.

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Unless you live in a Primary-holding state, you won't even get a chance to vote for Ron Paul, so this is all a moot point. Unless, of course, you want to vote for him as a write-in, in which case you might as well write in your own name, as you and he will at that point have an equal chance of becoming President. (Actually, at this point, you and he have an equal chance of becoming President.)

In the General Election, you will have three choices:

1. Vote for the Republican candidate, whoever (whomever? I still don't know) that is.

2. Vote for Hillary.

3. Not vote/vote for Ron Paul/Daffy Duck/Capt Kirk, etc., all of which are the exactly the sameas Number 2 above.

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ama-gi wrote:

A question for you...you said you're 'more comfortable' with Romney's views. Does that mean your comfortable with a federal gun ban that Romney supports?

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Current reference?





ama-gi wrote:

Further, what views exactly do you find more comforting

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A question for you, Please cite where I have ever said that Romney was my man?

For me I am not defending Romney, but I would still vote for him over any Democrat especially Hillary

My point has always been that I am not comfortable with Ron Paul. There are innumerable people who I am more comfortable with than Ron Paul, but that does not mean that they are my choice for President.

This may well be the election where I vote against Hillary and not for anyone, but for my vote to truly be against Hillary, it has to be for someone who can win, ie the Republican nominee. If that is Ron Paul I would vote against Hillary, by casting my vote for him.

Tarzan