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    My 11th grade daughter has a school exercise to write a new gun law (not a biased perspective from the school at all)

    She is open to rocking the boat in school and asked me to give her examples of good gun laws - She has the constitutional language from PA and VT as examples. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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    Does she have time and boat-rocking room to write an entire Uniform Firearms Act?

    Also,it might be fun to put in the "Whereas's" that preamble some laws. Maybe something like,

    "Whereas the Commonwealth has experimented with various gun control measures, and

    "Criminals ignored these laws, and

    "Good people died or were injured, and

    "Recognizing that disarmingcitizens is tantamount to authorizing violent crime against the person,

    "This Legislature rises above partisan pandering, and enacts this UNIFORM FIREARMS ACT for the safety and well being of the People."


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    How about going completely the other way?

    Something like mandating that everyone carry a loaded firearm with them at all times for their own personal protection.

    After all, if the school wants to open up directions for thought, this would definately get the diologue rolling.

    If everyone were required to have a loaded firearm with them:

    If you were a criminal, who would you rob?

    Would 9-11 have happened if everyone on board were armed?

    How many rapes would occur if every woman had a .38 in her purse?

    Would road rage even exist? Would you flip someone off if you thought they might be unstable,YET KNEW THEY HAD A LOADED GUN?

    Yeah. How about a law requiring everyone be armed? There's food for thought. Isn't that what they want in schools?

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    Also, it might be fun, and/or a good idea for Dad to look into the teacher's affiliations and find out what they intend to do with the information.

    The last thing Dad would want is the school to report that Dad has some "funny" ideas about guns, and that there are guns in the house, perhaps unsecured and available to underage children, etc.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Hand back a blank piece of paper heh.

    j/k, I say rewrite the 2A so that there's no wiggle room to argue the original intent of the framers.
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    unrequited wrote:
    j/k, I say rewrite the 2A so that there's no wiggle room to argue the original intent of the framers.
    +1
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    lprgcFrank wrote:
    My 11th grade daughter has a school exercise to write a new gun law (not a biased perspective from the school at all)

    She is open to rocking the boat in school and asked me to give her examples of good gun laws - She has the constitutional language from PA and VT as examples. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
    Frank
    Does PA have a "Castle Doctrine" law on the books? If not, recommend she propose it.

    Or else, maybe:


    NEW:

    It shall be a felony for persons outside the family to attempt to ascertain the state of firearms maintained in the household (aimed at teachers and doctors who can't keep their noses out of other people's business.

    NEW:

    It shall be a felony for persons to knowingly spread falsehoods about the ownership or carrying of firearms. Persons who have been informed shall be deemed to know the accuracy of the information they propagate.



    I'm 100% against requiring all persons to carry loaded firearms. Some should not, though there should not be a blanket policy set by a government who does not know the people involved.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    It would be fun to write a law mandating gun safety and marksmanship training as a requirement for each grade starting 5th grade until 12th grade.

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    j/k, I say rewrite the 2A so that there's no wiggle room to argue the original intent of the framers.

    +1/2, just leave out that pesky 'militia' clause, so scummy grammer nazis can't try to screw with it.
    It would be fun to write a law mandating gun safety and marksmanship training as a requirement for each grade starting 5th grade until 12th grade.

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    That would work too.

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    If she wants a good grade and not some thing to just rile people up, have a law that everyone needs to own a gun modeled after the georgia town whose crime rate plummented. this way she has a fact based arguement.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55288

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    Thank you all very much for your help.

    Citizen - I've already had run in's with the administration of the school when my oldest was there - long story of school administration incompetence where law enforcement was brought in inappropriately - but my issues were with the school - not the local PD.

    Local law enforcement is well aware of my 'investments' and my 2nd amendment advocacy. The PA State Police maintain a database of all firearm purchases (even though it was ruled illegal) and since all of my firearms were purchased using the federal and state paperwork - they are aware of all of them. I regularly OC and the Radnor PD has always been completely professional and courteous in our dealings.

    I've passed on the ideas here to my daughter - Thanks Yankees98 for the Kennesaw GA article. I'm not sure what she'll pick or if she will opt not to rock the boat. I'll let you know.

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    I just thought of something... I'm guessing your daughter's school isn't zero tolerance b.s. which has gotten 1st graders expelled for drawing pictures of guns, and 8th graders arrested for writing about them?
    -Unrequited

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    This project could take you and your daughter some time to research. (I take it, it is for a state law)

    She was asked to write a NEW gun law, Not rewrite the Constitution.

    Print ALL the lawspertaining to firearms for your state and put them in a binder

    The teacher and other students will be surprised, as to how many there are.

    She can now write a law that is not on the books (if the other students, have the same project, she can prove tothem that, there laws are already written)

    She can write a law "for or against" firearms, it is Her choice (not mine or yours)

    TheLaw doesn't even have to make sense,

    "All firearms manufactured, tranported through orowned, in the state of Pa. with a barrel length greater than 1 inch but no more than 63 inch, must have the barrel colored, High visababilty Lime Green, Bla Bla Bla"



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    How about just writing a law that repeals all current gun laws?

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    Here is a document of some interesting facts in regards to gun laws and gun control. It's a good read for all of us and might help your daughter.




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    j2l3 wrote:
    Here is a document of some interesting facts in regards to gun laws and gun control. It's a good read for all of us and might help your daughter.
    gunfacts.info is also good... although hoplophobes don't tend to like facts too much.

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    How about protecting a self-defense victim from having their weapon seized?

    Ooh, ban barrel shrouds! :celebrate

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    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"


    Go with a classic. Make sure she can defend it.

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    Better yet...

    Congress shall make no law that restricts the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

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    lprgcFrank wrote:
    My 11th grade daughter has a school exercise to write a new gun law (not a biased perspective from the school at all)

    She is open to rocking the boat in school and asked me to give her examples of good gun laws - She has the constitutional language from PA and VT as examples. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
    Frank
    Frank,

    Since this is OPENCARRY.ORG, why don't we amend the Uniform Firearms Act to allow lawful open carry in cities of the first class (ie. Philadelphia). I have attached a pdf of a bill that I drafted to do this very thing. Perhaps it would be a good place to start.

    PS. The Bill # 777 is just a place-holder, when a patron actually introduces a bill, Legislative Services assigns it a number.




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    "It shall be a felony to use a firearm in the commission of a violent crime"

    This is the only gun law that should be on the books.

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    expvideo wrote:
    "It shall be a felony to use a firearm in the commission of a violent crime"

    This is the only gun law that should be on the books.
    A little too ambiguous. "Violent crime"? Using a firearm in the commision of any crime I think makes it a "violent crime". Using a firearm in the commission of ANY crime I believe should be a felony. Even if it's petite larceny. IMHO

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    gregma wrote:
    expvideo wrote:
    "It shall be a felony to use a firearm in the commission of a violent crime"

    This is the only gun law that should be on the books.
    A little too ambiguous. "Violent crime"? Using a firearm in the commision of any crime I think makes it a "violent crime". Using a firearm in the commission of ANY crime I believe should be a felony. Even if it's petite larceny. IMHO
    You'd also need to define "use". Otherwise if you get pulled over for 70 in a 65 and you're carrying a firearm... congrats, you're a felon.

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    No, that would be possession. You did not use the firearm in the commission of your speeding violation. It played no role in that crime. WA state law says that you cannot use a device to suppress the sound of a firearm. It is completely legal in WA state to purchase, own, sell (with the right licenses), and even attach a silencer, but it is illegal to pass rounds through that silencer. There is a big difference in law between use and possession.

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    expvideo wrote:
    No, that would be possession. You did not use the firearm in the commission of your speeding violation. It played no role in that crime. WA state law says that you cannot use a device to suppress the sound of a firearm. It is completely legal in WA state to purchase, own, sell (with the right licenses), and even attach a silencer, but it is illegal to pass rounds through that silencer. There is a big difference in law between use and possession.
    Fair enough. I was under the impression that if one is committing, let's say a violent felony, under the current laws, if s/he is even carrying a gun, that's grounds for saying it was used in the commission of the crime.

    You would, in fact, have to define "use" to include OC, though. Essentially it would require asking the question of, "can an openly carried gun that is still holstered be intimidating"? If a guy is robbing a bank and points to the gun on his hip while threatening a teller, then surely he "used" it in the commission of the crime. But if he makes no reference at all to the gun on his hip, does that exclude him from the "while using a gun" sentence add-on?

    Mind you, I'm not saying you're proposing a bad law, but it just needs to be very strictly written to protect innocent, or not-that-guilty people.

    ETA: You would also want to change the penalty... if someone is committing a violent felony, I doubt that another felony is going to make much of a difference to them. Maybe some extra prison time? Maybe a longer wait until eligible for parole? Maybe a prescribed period of solitary confinement?

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