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    So, I'm considering getting some tabasco-brand self-defense for the paper I'm working on, to demonstrate the "effectiveness" of it.

    I'm also looking for a weaker, junk brand, because, well, I'm not entirely an idiot.

    Maybe I'll just use it as a condiment for a snack while I present my paper.

    Seriously though, any (specific) junk brands of spray would be nice.

    Particulalrly something I can get at a local store.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Are you using this for like a presentation? Or just so that you know first hand the effects, and can write about it?

    They do make inert formulas, that are strictly for practice, and have no effects...

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    Is the paper on sprays in general? If so, go with CN, it is the weaker of the 3 types... OC is more effective.

    I've gotten both CN and OC in the mouth/eyes before, CN (mace) would be the one I would prefer if I was a criminal...

    EDIT: I'm really not sure how it would work, but a lot of spray's use water as a carrier... perhaps if you got some CN/OC and sprayed it into a bucket with some water to dilute it, then put that into a spray bottle? Might not look as "cool" but they do make tiny spray bottles, you could print a "label" on your pc and make it look more real...

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    For the presentation.

    I'm not looking for inert, but I'd like to point out that spray is pretty damned ineffective.

    Also, CN?

    Don't use an abbreviation without defining it! :P
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    CN is the old stuff. Man made. Irritant. Stands for some long chemical.

    Okay, looked it up: alphachloroacetaphenone
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    AbNo wrote:
    For the presentation.

    I'm not looking for inert, but I'd like to point out that spray is pretty damned ineffective.

    Also, CN?

    Don't use an abbreviation without defining it! :P
    I don't think it is necessarily, ineffective, with any self defense weapon, it is always wise for the user to know the benefits, risks, so on and so forth.

    The big thing amongst the 3 most popular types of sprays, is that they can be very ineffective against drug users, drunks, and certain people that have almost no perception of pain. Some of the sprays can work very, very well under the ideal conditions.

    At least to me, and from people that I know that exclusively carry "mace" or another type of spray (oc), is that they think it has no faults, and that it is effective on all types of people, which just isn't true. Even in a lot of movies you see people getting sprayed, and within instants the attacker goes down and is incapacitated, it is hard to duplicate this result in real life...

    Another thing I have noticed is that a lot of the women who carry a spray keep it in their purse, where they also keep keys, tampons, kleenex, makeup, cell phone, breathmints, gum, mirror, brush, perfume, organizer, pens, wallet, ipod, etc... I don't understand how a woman thinks that if an attacker comes up to them, that they will have time to dig around in their purse for a small can of spray...:?

    Anyway, here is something that might come in helpful in your research. Maybe you can share the paper when you are done eh?

    CN
    CN contains alphachloroacetaphenone, a man made chemical. The original manufacturer of the formula, Smith & Wesson (MACE), rarely made it available for use to the public, choosing instead to sell it exclusively to law enforcement agencies. CN is a fast acting irritant that usually takes from 3 to 10 seconds to take effect. It is the weakest of the 3 popular spray chemicals. CN is an irritant and works on both skin and mucous membranes. This particular chemical causes a sharp burning sensation that will last about 30 minutes to an hour. If the individual is numb to this pain due to drugs, alcohol or adrenaline, he or she will not feel the pain. Also CN may take as long as 3 to 4 days to fully dissipate. CN has a shelf life of up to 3 years.

    CS
    The other formula for tear gas is orthochlorobenzalmalononitrile, or CS for short. It, like CN, also acts as an irritant to the skin and eyes and will more than likely not work on people who are “hyped-up”. CS is a much stronger chemical than CN but can take much longer to work. In some cases, it can take up to 10, 20, or even 30 seconds or more to work. CS has a five year shelf life. Both CN and CS are man-made chemicals and have been identified as possible toxic agents. Both have short shelf lives and not both can cause long-term skin irritations and toxic reactions. CN has been proven to be less effective than CS against known attackers.

    OC
    Oleoresin capsicum is a derivative of hot peppers and is the newest popular defensive spray agent. It is not an irritant like the tear gasses, but an inflammatory agent. Contact with mucous membranes (eyes, nose, throat and lungs), will cause immediate dilation of the capillaries of the eyes resulting in temporary blindness and instant inflammation of the breathing tube tissues, cutting off all but life support breathing. OC will not deteriorate with age and unlike the tear gasses, will not cause any lasting effects. Because it is an inflammatory rather than an irritant, OC is effective against all those who feel no pain, such as psychotics, drunks and drug abusers. OC is also replacing the tear gas products in the law enforcement community. This is directly due to the fact that OC is more effective, less toxic and exposes the user to less liability. OC is taking the place of more drastic use-of-force methods, so fewer police are being injured, and fewer suspects are being injured by police.



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    Already plan to, Ryan.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    My father is starting to build up a resistance to low-power OC because he uses something called Sinus Buster:
    http://www.sinusbuster.com/howitworks/index.html

    It's for chronic sinus pain and it works but when you first start using it, it's supposed to hurt something fierce. Never had the guts to try it.

    I wouldn't suggest you spray ANYTHING into your eyes for a class project... but if you do, get video.
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    Yeah, thanks for your concern.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Have fun.

    want me to spray you

    My mother wanted some so I tried it out on myself.
    None made me stop in my tracks but the OC was unpleasant to say the least, might allow someone time to evade/escape.
    My mother finally selected a Taurus .380 SA and got her CCW.


    I personally believe they have to many cons and not enough pros.
    However if this is someone's only option.

    be sure to have cool running water on hand

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    unrequited wrote:
    I wouldn't suggest you spray ANYTHING into your eyes for a class project... but if you do, get video.
    It will be the number 1 video on YouTube. It might even beat out RP's video network.

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    Agent19 wrote:
    Have fun.

    want me to spray you

    My mother wanted some so I tried it out on myself.
    None made me stop in my tracks but the OC was unpleasant to say the least, might allow someone time to evade/escape.
    My mother finally selected a Taurus .380 SA and got her CCW.


    I personally believe they have to many cons and not enough pros.
    However if this is someone's only option.

    be sure to have cool running water on hand
    Oh, I just plan on (possibly) using this for demonstration purposes.

    I'm in the ".4x club" when it comes to carrying.

    Milk is actually a better thing to have ready.

    Then again, I'm sure with some vaseline on your face, a pair of cheap shades, and not breathing in, this stuff would have almost zero effect on someone, compared to its low success rate, anyway.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    I'm in the ".4x club" when it comes to carrying.
    beacause you're a 2? male, not a 67+ female with bone disease
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    25 male.

    Of course, my knees are also made out of crispy celery, so retreat is usually out of the question for me. :?
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Don't try Top Cop by ALS.. that stuff will drop you like nuthin ive ever seen.

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    unrequited wrote:
    I wouldn't suggest you spray ANYTHING into your eyes for a class project... but if you do, get video.
    Because although we may feel some concern for your well being, in the end there's nothing like watching a home-made episode of Jack Ass on youtube! :celebrate

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    Be a man! Try a Tear Gas chamber at Basic Military Training. My eyes water just thinking about that room....:shock:

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    I don't know if you've seen the latest videotaped cop killing, but it shows an officer boxing in what looks like a Toyota Celica. The officer then walks up to the driver's window and sprays a very healthy dose of some type of spray into the driver's window, then walking away.

    The driver reponds by sticking a pistol out the window and popping off rounds in the officer's direction. The officer was killed by one or more of these shots. Evidently, this so-called "incapacitating" agent isn't so incapacitating.

    It proves something I've always believed:

    Non-lethaldefense methods fail tokill people who are trying to kill you.

    Bringing OC to a gunfight is just as bad as bringing a knife to a gunfight. You bring your CS, or OC, or PU, or whatever spray......

    .......I'm sticking with my .45.





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    soloban wrote:
    Be a man!* Try a Tear Gas chamber at Basic Military Training.* My eyes water just thinking about that room....:shock:
    Already have, bud. Almost seven years ago.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Besides, the gas chamber in boot camp was CS gas... at least it is in the Navy.

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    fricken double post! >_<

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    I just found a lengthy but good page on 411 of mace.....

    http://www.tscm.com/mace.html




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    AbNo wrote:
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    Be a man! Try a Tear Gas chamber at Basic Military Training. My eyes water just thinking about that room....:shock:
    Already have, bud. Almost seven years ago.
    When I went through the chamber they had us line up in pairs and you had to inhale a deep breath and say your name and hometown and they would let you out. Simple right? The female Airman next to me decided she didn't want to inhale, meanwhile I'm hacking up my lungs waiting for her to play along.

    Though from what I've seen on documentaries, I had it easy. They make Marine Recruits rip off their masks and do PT and sing the Marine Corp song.

    I'll tell you one thing though, Tear Gas is very very effective decongestant. One lungful of Tear Gas got rid for 5 1/2 weeks of upper respiratory Lackland crud in thirty seconds flat.

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    soloban wrote:
    AbNo wrote:
    soloban wrote:
    Be a man! Try a Tear Gas chamber at Basic Military Training. My eyes water just thinking about that room....:shock:
    Already have, bud. Almost seven years ago.
    When I went through the chamber they had us line up in pairs and you had to inhale a deep breath and say your name and hometown and they would let you out. Simple right? The female Airman next to me decided she didn't want to inhale, meanwhile I'm hacking up my lungs waiting for her to play along.

    Though from what I've seen on documentaries, I had it easy. They make Marine Recruits rip off their masks and do PT and sing the Marine Corp song.

    I'll tell you one thing though, Tear Gas is very very effective decongestant. One lungful of Tear Gas got rid for 5 1/2 weeks of upper respiratory Lackland crud in thirty seconds flat.
    Naval ROTC. Great Lakes Training Base. 1986. Marine DI responsible for training.

    We did the chamber. Had to recite our general orders as a group with the masks on. Then we took the masks off and did PT - push ups and jumping jacks, IIRC. Recited some other stuff. Then each of us were asked one at a time to recite 2 general orders they picked. Once you recited them correctly you got to put your mask back on and clear it. If you got either wrong they skipped you and came back to you. I messed up on the second one. It was a long day. Afterwards we went to chow without being allowed to so much as wash our hands. Definitely will never forget it.


    I got sprayed with a bit of CN in a self-defense class. That sucked too, but not as much as the CS chamber but then it was a mild dose. I have never gotten at dose of OC and I don't think I want to get hit with that 3 million SHU stuff I have.
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