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Eight shot in two Colorado church incidents. [The other Gun Free Zone]

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http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewFlash.asp?Page=/ThisHour/Archive/NTH20071210t.html

Security Guard 'Saved Over 100 Lives'

(CNSNews.com) - Many people are expressing relief that a volunteer security guard used her own gun to stop a man on a shooting spree Sunday. "She probably saved over 100 lives," the Brady Boyd, the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, said on Monday. The female guard, a church member dressed in plain clothes, killed the gunman after he opened fire at the mega-church. Boyd said she "rushed toward the attacker and took him down in the hallway" as he entered the building. The shooting erupted around 1 p.m., at the end of a service, when 7,000 people were either inside the New Life Church or just leaving. "He was just walking and shooting," the Denver Post quoted one witness as saying. The gunman, still unidentified, shot at least eight people, killing two teenage sisters, the pastor said. The girls were 16 and 18 years old. Their father, also shot, is listed in father condition. The gunman is believed to be the same young man who shot and killed two people earlier the same day at a missionary training center in suburban Denver. In that case, the gunman opened fire, reportedly after he was refused permission to spend the night at the missionary center. The gunman was described as skinny, in his 20s, about 6 feet tall and dressed in black, police said. KUSA-TV reported that the gunman was wearing a "tactical helmet and body armor." The church's pastor said the New Life Church "prepared in advance" for a possible attack, after hearing about the shooting at the missionary training center.
 

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"9Wants to Know has learned 24-year-old Matthew Murray was killed after opening fire at New Life Church on Sunday.

Murray, who was home schooled, lived with his parents' home in unincorporated Arapahoe County at the same home investigators searched Sunday night. "

"9Wants to Know has learned Murray lived with his family in the home for many years and his father, Dr. Ronald Murray, is a well-known doctor.

Neighbors described Murray as a loner and as someone who was very quiet and didn't talk to neighbors.

It is still unclear whether there is a connection between Murray and the shooting at an Arvada missionary training center. "
 

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I know its idle speculation, but I wonder if this is somehow a copycat incident to the Omaha Mall Shooting.
 

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longwatch wrote:
I know its idyl speculation, but I wonder if this is somehow a copycat incident to the Omaha Mall Shooting.

I would not be surprised. One outcast loner gets a lot of press and another wants some notoriety too.



Tarzan
 

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This is my new hero:

20071210__Assam~p1.jpg


(From Crimefilenews.com)

New Life Evangelical Church, Colorado Springs, CO--42 year-old, Jeanne Assam is an angel and a genuine hero that may have saved as many as 100 lives. Assam volunteered to perform security duties during services when 24 year-old Matthew Murray began his murderous Sunday assault on worshipers.

The plain clothed, security angel immediately sprang into action drawing her personal handgun, pursued and engaged the gunman killing him. Assam's heroic act ended any further injury or death.
 

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I've carried at church and anywhere else I went ever since I got my sidearm. Only times I haven't carried are those when the prescence of Metal Detectors stopped me. I avoid those locations most of the time.

Right now, the church that I am attending has a good group of us carrying. When you consider that there are roughtly 40 to 50 on a sunday morning and that there are around 5-6 carrying on a sunday... Suprise for any active shooters! :celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate
 

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Well if anyone doubts their chances versus a rifle armed gunman, this woman Jeanne Assam did a good job in the fight.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hU4ax39rFCnqHnipVp5TCGP6TKqgD8TESGQO1

Colo. Church Gunman Had Been Kicked Out By JUDITH KOHLER – 2 hours ago
"COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — The gunman believed to have killed four people at a megachurch and a missionary training school had been thrown out of the school about three years ago and had been sending the place hate mail, police said in court papers Monday.
The gunman was identified as Matthew Murray, 24, who was home-schooled by his family and raised in what a friend said was a deeply religious Christian household. Murray's father is a neurologist and a leading multiple-sclerosis researcher.
Five people — including Murray — were killed, and five others wounded Sunday in the two eruptions of violence 12 hours and 65 miles apart."


"More than 12 hours later, at New Life Church, a gunman wearing a trench coat and carrying a high-powered rifle opened fire in the parking lot and later walked into the church as a service was letting out.
Boyd said a member of the church who volunteers as a security guard shot and killed the gunman. Boyd did not identify the guard but called her "a real hero."
"When the shots were fired, she rushed toward the scene and encountered the attacker there in a hallway. He never got more than 50 feet inside our building," he said. "There could have been a great loss of life yesterday, and she probably saved over 100 lives."
Boyd said the gunman had a lot of ammunition and estimated that 40 rounds had been fired inside the church, leaving what looked like a "war scene."
 

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This woman may have stopped something worse than Omaha or Virginia Tech. Former LEO but now just a permit holder. Finally the right person was there to stop these black t-shirt nutjobs.

Assam said she believes God gave her the strength to confront Murray, keeping her calm and focused even though he appeared to be twice her size and was more heavily armed.Murray was carrying two handguns, an assault rifle and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, said Sgt. Jeff Johnson of the Colorado Springs Police Department.

Boyd said Assam was the one who suggested the church beef up its security Sunday following the Arvada shooting, which it did.

The pastor credited the security plan and the extra security for preventing further bloodshed.

Boyd said there are 15 to 20 security people at the church. All are volunteers but the only ones armed are those who are licensed to carry weapons.

The security guards are members of the church who are screened and not "mercenaries that we hire to walk around our campus to provide security," Boyd said.
 

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Who would've thought that criminals are not safe in areas where the public can carry handguns?!? ;)

This woman is a true hero. Hopefully people will began to realize that when you disarm the law-abiding population you create slaughter zones.



Evil man set on death and destruction + two low-powered handguns + 150-250 rounds of ammunition[sup]1[/sup] + gun free zone = 32 dead

vs.

Evil man set on death and destruction + two low-powered handguns + one high-powered rifle + over 1000 rounds of ammunition[sup]2[/sup] + armed citizens = 2 dead

You do the math!


[line]References:

1. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18232675/

2. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14817480/detail.html
 

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From VA-ALERT

First, if you are an anti-gunner, I suggest you step away from the  
computer and get yourself a good, stiff drink.

A concealed handgun permit holder in Colorado has stopped a violent  
attack by a vicious criminal!  She volunteered to work security at her

church after a violent attack at another Colorado church earlier that  
day.  Thankfully she did so, as she shot and killed a criminal who had

opened fire in the church.

This is exactly what VCDL has been saying would happen if we get rid  
of gun free zones.

Had that permit holder not been armed because she was in a gun-free  
zone, how many innocent, irreplaceable lives would have been lost?

THIS is why we want to get rid of university gun bans.

THIS  is why we want to get rid of the restaurant concealed carry ban.

THIS is why we want to get rid of the gun ban in the non-sterile area  
of airport terminals.

THIS is why we want to get rid of the gun ban for concealed handgun  
permit holders on K-12 school property.

Notice in the links below how the media, especially CNN, desperately  
want to make the CHP holder an "authority" figure.  (Heaven forbid  
that a regular citizen with a gun would save any lives.)   The media  
did this by emphasizing that she was a "security guard" and saying  
that she has a "law enforcement background."

The pastor said in other interviews that she is a CHP holder and  
volunteered to guard the church.

The criminal had a gun, smoke grenade, and over 500 rounds of  
ammunition on him.  He meant business and meant to slaughter as many  
people as he could.

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[url=http://tinyurl.com/3yasdm]http://tinyurl.com/3yasdm[/url]

Pastor tells of horrific day
The New Life Church attacker refused a guard's order to drop his  
weapon and fired before he was shot to death.

By Jean Torkelson

Originally published 02:22 p.m., December 10, 2007
Updated 06:23 p.m., December 10, 2007

COLORADO SPRINGS — The gunman who killed two at a Colorado Springs  
church Sunday refused a guard's order to drop his weapon and fired  
before the guard shot him to death and ended the attack.

The guard, a member of the New Life Church who provides security as a  
volunteer, was called a hero by church officials today.

"She's the hero," Senior Pastor Brady Boyd said. "She saved 100 lives  
yesterday."

Michael Ware, pastor of Victory Church in Westminster and a New Life  
overseer, said the security guard is a small woman, "110 pounds  
dripping wet."

Relating the account he had been told, Ware said the woman ordered  
Matthew Murray to drop his weapon and they exchanged shots. The  
attacker shot at the guard, missed, and kept walking into the church,  
Ware said. The woman fired again, taking down the gunman.

Boyd is meeting today with members of the family who lost two teenage  
girls in the shooting.

Stephanie and Rachael Works, 18 and 16, died in the attack. Their  
father, David Works, 51, is in fair condition at Penrose hospital in  
Colorado Springs with gunshot wounds in his groin area and abdomen.

Boyd said this morning that he believes the New Life Church's high  
profile may have attracted the gunman there. Boyd doesn't believe the  
attacker knew anyone at the church or singled out the church because  
of personal animosity.

"We know (his name) but no one on the staff ever heard of him," Boyd  
said Monday, as paused in the foyer where shattered glass and bullet  
holes still spoke to the shootout between the woman parishioner — who  
worked as a volunteer security guard — and the gunman.

In an exclusive interview after the press conference Boyd told the  
Rocky Mountain News that he was calm in the wake of the shootings.

"Right now I'm in survival mode. I don't have time to think of the  
scope of this. but I have a sense of calm that God is in control," he  
said.

Boyd also seemed to indicate, but didn't elaborate, that violence  
follows churches that preach the gospel.

"Any New Testament church is under attack and duress. It's unique to  
us as westerners to think that when we come under attack there's  
something wrong with the church," which isn't true, he said.

Ware said the Works family used to be members of his church. He said  
they were loving, exuberant family who would rush up to him to give  
him hugs at church.

"A precious, precious family," Ware said. "If you wanted an example of

a model family you would look to them."

Ware was among many somber-face church leaders converging on New Life  
for the second time in a year.

One year ago, the church was engulfed in its first national crisis,  
when pastor Ted Haggard resigned from the pulpit after admitting to a  
sex scandal.

Overseer Larry Stockstill, who flew in from Louisiana, said he was at  
the hospital praying with the Works family when the second Works girl  
died.

Stockstill said because of Haggard's high profile the church had put  
in a security plan long ago. Ware said that his church, too — as well  
as many churches — have plainclothes worshipers who are armed and  
ready to step in.

"They worship and watch," Ware said.

Boyd, who was hired to succeed Haggard, is getting high marks from  
overseers for the way he's handling his second major crisis in a year.

"He stepped up to that microphone like a president," Ware said,  
referring to Boyd's first news conference today on the shooting.

In the interview today, Boyd said he was having lunch with another  
overseer, Jack Hayford, when they heard the shots. He did not see the  
shooting.

"We didn't know if he (Hayford) was the target or I was," Boyd said.

Boyd's immediate thought was whether his wife and children had left  
the church after the service — they had. Next, he thought, "Who's  
being hurt in my church?"

As prescribed by the security plan, the two men stayed in the office,  
a floor above the shooting.

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[url=http://thebronzeblog.blogspot.com/]http://thebronzeblog.blogspot.com/[/url]

Vet lauds female guard who felled gunman
By Kieran Nicholson
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 12/10/2007 04:32:06 PM MST

Authorities say 18-year-old Stephanie Works and 16-year-old  
Rachael Works died from their injuries after a gunman opened fire  
outside New Life Church on Sunday. Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested  
Vietnam veteran, said it was the bravest thing he's ever seen.

Bourbonnais, who was among those shot by a gunman Sunday at New  
Life Church, watched as a security guard, a woman later identified as  
Jeanne Assam, calmly returned fire and killed the shooter.

"She just started walking toward the gunman firing the whole  
way," said Bourbonnais, who was shot in the arm. "She was just yelling

'Surrender,' walking and shooting the whole time."

Bourbonnais, 59, had just finished up a hamburger in the  
cafeteria on the sprawling church campus when he heard gunfire, he  
recalled.

He headed in the direction of the shots as frightened people ran  
past him looking to escape to safety.

"Where's the shooter? Where's the shooter?" Bourbonnais kept  
yelling, he recalled.

Near an entryway in the church, Bourbonnais came upon the gunman  
and an armed male church security guard who was there with his gun  
drawn but not firing, he said.

Bourbonnais said he pleaded with the armed guard to give him his  
weapon.

"Give me your handgun. I've been in combat, and I'm going to take

this guy out," Bourbonnais recalled telling the guard. "He kept  
yelling, 'Get behind me! Get behind me!' He wouldn't hand me his  
weapon, but he wouldn't do anything."

There was an additional armed security guard there, another man,  
who also didn't fire, Bourbonnais said.

Bourbonnais yelled at the gunman to draw his attention, he said.

"First, I called him 'Coward' then I called him 'S---head' "  
Bourbonnais said. "I probably shouldn't have been saying that in  
church."

That's when the shooter pointed one of his guns at Bourbonnais  
and fired, he said.

Bourbonnais ducked behind a hollow, decorative pillar and was hit

in the arm by a bullet and fragments of the pillar.

At about that moment, Assam, 42, turned a corner with a drawn  
handgun, walked toward the gunman and yelled "Surrender!" Bourbonnais  
said.

The gunman pointed a handgun at Assam and fired three shots,  
Bourbonnais said. She returned fire and just kept walking toward the  
gunman pressing off round after round.

After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the Assam, a  
volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and

focused.

Bourbonnais said she replied:

"I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time."

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This CNN link includes some video of permit holder:

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html]http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html[/url]

Security guard who stopped shooter credits God

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- "It seemed like it was me, the  
gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she  
confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday  
firing a weapon.

Assam, a church security guard with **law enforcement experience,**  
fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.

Police on Monday identified the gunman as Matthew Murray and said he  
was also responsible for an attack earlier Sunday at a missionary  
center some 80 miles away.

The two incidents left four people dead, in addition to the gunman,  
and five wounded.

Police said forensic evidence showed a positive match between a  
handgun found at the church and shell casings found at the missionary  
center in Arvada, a suburb of Denver.

Officials from the Colorado Springs and Arvada police departments  
appeared at a joint news conference to brief reporters on what they  
had pieced together about Sunday's events.

The first incident took place Sunday at about 12:30 a.m. at Youth With

a Mission in Arvada.

Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and  
skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member

about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire.

Two staff members, Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24, died  
later Sunday from their injuries, Youth With a Mission co-founder  
Peter Warren said. Two other staff members were injured, and one was  
in critical condition.

Investigators tried to track the gunman through fresh snow with the  
help of dogs, but lost his trail in a heavily walked area, Deputy  
Chief Gary Creager of Arvada police said.

About 12 hours later, police say, Murray showed up at New Life Church  
as a service was letting out.

Police said Monday he had an assault rifle and two handguns, and may  
have had as many as 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

He fired on a family who were in or near their car. Two sisters,  
identified by police as Rachael Works, 16, and Stephanie Works, 18,  
were killed, and their father, David Works, 51, was also shot and is  
hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds.

Murray then entered the church, police say, where Assam was one of  
several volunteer security guards on duty.

"I saw him coming through the doors," she told reporters on Monday. "I

took cover, and I waited for him to get closer, and I came out of  
cover and identified myself, and engaged him, and took him down. And  
that's pretty much it." Video Watch Assam tell how she stopped Murray »

Police said they were still investigating whether Assam's weapon  
killed Murray, or whether he might have died of a self-inflicted  
gunshot.

Assam extended her sympathy to the families of the victims "and of the

gunman -- and I mean that very sincerely."

Phil Abeyta, who identified himself as Murray's uncle, appeared at  
another news conference and read a statement from the family asking  
for forgiveness.

"Our family cannot express the magnitude of our grief for the victims  
and families of this tragedy," he said. "On behalf of our family and  
our son, we ask for forgiveness. We cannot understand why this has  
happened."

Abeyta appeared with spokesmen from the Youth With A Mission center,  
who confirmed that Murray had been part of a training program five  
years ago.

Peter Warren, director of Youth With A Mission, said Murray did not go

on the mission he was training for in 2002 because managers thought  
that "issues relating to his health made it unsafe for him to do so."

But a man who served at the center with Murray told CNN Monday that  
Murray was kicked out of the mission program for strange behavior.  
Video Watch more about Matthew Murray's background »

A source -- a long-time member of New Life Church -- said Murray had a

falling out with Youth With A Mission after working with the  
organization a couple of years ago. The source said Murray sent  
antagonistic and threatening correspondence afterward.

Earlier Monday, Boyd said the gunman was unknown to parishioners there.

"He simply showed up on our property yesterday with a gun, with the  
intention of hurting people, and he did," Boyd said.

Boyd said the megachurch instituted security precautions after the  
shootings at the Denver area mission center.

Boyd said Assam was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to

confront the gunman just inside the church. "She probably saved over a

hundred lives," Boyd said. Video Watch pastor tell how guard saved  
lives »

"I give the credit to God. And I say that very humbly. God was with me

and the whole time I was behind cover -- this has got to be God,  
because of the firepower that [the gunman] had vs. what I had," Assam  
said.

"I did not run away and I didn't think for a minute to run away, I  
just knew that I was given the assignment to end this before it got  
too much worse. I just prayed for the Holy Spirit to guide me."

She told reporters she had not slept since the shooting, "as I'm sure  
you can tell."

She said she was on the third day of a three-day regimen of fasting  
and prayer, wanting to know God's will for what to do with her life,  
when the shooting took place.
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"I was weak, and where I was weak, God made me strong," she said. "He  
filled me and he guided me and protected me and many other people. And

I'm honored that God chose me."

Assam was one of about a dozen volunteer security guards at the  
church, half of whom are armed, Boyd said. The guards are licensed,  
trained and screened, and are church members, not "mercenaries," he  
said.

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Fox news isn't afraid to say she had a CHP:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316378,00.html]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316378,00.html[/url]

Colorado Shooting Highlights Churches' New Emphasis on Security

Monday , December 10, 2007

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. —
When a black-clad gunman walked into New Life Church on Sunday and  
started shooting, he was met with the church's first line of defense:  
a congregant with a ***concealed weapons permit*** and a law  
enforcement background.

The woman, ***an armed volunteer***, shot and killed the gunman. New  
Life's pastor credited her with saving 100 lives.

Churches want to present an open and welcoming image, but in an era of

mass-casualty shootings and terrorism threats, the violence at New  
Life highlights a new emphasis on security. Some of the nation's  
estimated 1,200 megachurches — places where more than 2,000  
worshippers gather each week — have been quietly beefing up security  
in recent years, even using armed guards to protect the faithful.

Meanwhile, many more, often smaller congregations typically don't have

detailed security plans either because they don't have the money or  
don't want to risk turning people away.

At Potter's House, a Dallas megachurch led by superstar pastor T.D.  
Jakes, a private security company employs a team of armed, unarmed,  
uniformed and plainclothes guards that keeps watch over crowds in the  
thousands. Under a new Texas law, all nonprofits must use licensed  
security guards, and the church hired Classic Security in response,  
said Sean Smith, who formerly headed the church's security detail and  
now works for the company.

For the past three years, Potter's House has hosted a church security  
conference, drawing more than 400 people earlier this year to sessions

on surveillance, background checks and other issues. Although  
precautions can be costly, money spent on security can end up being  
far less than liability and lawsuit risks if no action is taken, the  
church says.

"You see (security) anywhere but churches," Smith said. "You see it in

malls, at banks, at concerts. Somehow, at churches we feel immune to  
violence. But it's been proven not to be the case."

Even without a security department, churches can train volunteers to  
keep watch for suspicious behavior, like a visitor dressed in a long  
coat in summer or not making eye contact with anyone, Smith said.

The security plan at New Life Church may seem extraordinary. The  
church's volunteer security force is stocked with people with military

or law enforcement experience, they carry radios and weapons, and  
there are evacuation plan calls for hustling worshippers into "secure  
zones" in the case of emergencies.

But charismatic New Life, Colorado's largest church with about 10,000  
members, is no ordinary church.

Even before the founding pastor, the now-disgraced Ted Haggard, became

a player on the national political stage, the church endured death  
threats against him. There were bomb scares and vandalism, including  
animal blood being splashed on the walls, said Patton Dodd of Colorado

Springs, a former New Life Church staff member and editor with the Web

site Beliefnet.

"Even back then we had people undercover in the congregation who were  
armed," Dodd said. "It was a big church at the time, it was Christian,

and some people really hate that stuff.

"Not only do we have military and ex-military all over, we have this  
sort of frontier mentality. People around here are serious about  
protecting their own."

Haggard was fired last year after a male prostitute alleged a  
relationship with him.

His successor, Brady Boyd, said at a news conference Monday that his  
security chief recommended heightened security early Sunday after a  
shooting in a Denver suburb at a missionary training center dormitory.

Boyd agreed.

The volunteer security guard hailed as a hero had attended the  
church's early worship service at 9 a.m., then stood watch in the  
rotunda of the busy church lobby as the second service was letting out.

There, she confronted the gunman, who managed to two slay two sisters  
and wound three others before he was killed. One witness told a  
television station the guard described praying to the Holy Spirit as  
she squeezed off rounds.

Speaking of the church's security plan, Boyd said: "That's the reality

of our world."

On Sept. 15, 1999, a deranged man burst into a Wednesday night teen  
prayer rally at Wedgwood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas, killing  
four teenagers and three adults.

In the immediate aftermath, there was talk at the church of posting  
armed guards at every door. But the pastor, the Rev. Al Meredith, took

a different approach: he didn't change much at all.

The 2,500-member church urges police who attend the church to wear  
their uniforms and arranges for squad cars for big events, but those  
steps are more to ease the minds of congregants than stop an attack,  
Meredith said Monday.

American Jews have long emphasized the need for safeguarding their  
community organizations, schools and synagogues. Many groups formed  
security committees.

"There have been security concerns generally for many years, but they  
have certainly been heightened since 9-11," said Nathan Diament,  
public policy director for the Orthodox Union, which represents  
Orthodox synagogues in North America.

The Homeland Security Department created a grant program of nearly $50

million to improve security for religious and secular nonprofits  
considered at risk of terrorist attack.

Several Jewish groups have received individual grants, according to  
the Orthodox Union.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations also distributes a detailed  
security checklist, urging groups to build relations with local law  
enforcement and elected officials, report suspicious activity and hold

community meetings to raise awareness of potential threats.

The Fellowship of the Woodlands megachurch in Texas employs a former  
FBI agent as a full-time security director, overseeing volunteers and  
paid staff, said pastor Kerry Shook. Those who are armed in the  
congregation are police officers, he said.

"It's something you just have to do today," said Shook, whose  
congregation draws 15,600 people per weekend. "We want everyone to  
feel safe. At the same time, we want to be open and accepting of  
everyone. An incident like this one in Colorado Springs just  
reinforces what the church is — we have to be a light in a dark world."
 

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Gunman's Web writings warn of shootings

"KUSA - 9Wants to Know has discovered more than a dozen writings posted by Matthew Murray where he warns of an impending rampage and copied the statements of one of the Columbine High School gunmen."


"In the Web writings, which are now being investigated by Colorado Springs Police, Arvada Police and the FBI, Murray warned, "I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill. ...God, I can't wait till I can kill you people. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don't care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."

If the time on the posting is accurate, it was posted after the 12:30 a.m. shooting Sunday morning in Arvada and before the 1:10 p.m. Sunday afternoon shooting in Colorado Springs."
 

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I think Bourbonnais did some pretty brave actions himself, even unarmed. I like that he undertook to arm himself, because sometimes there is more than one shooter.

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=82532

Man injured in New Life Church shooting says he tried to distract gunman

Bourbonnais says Murray was dressed in all black with combat boots and he had an assault rifle. Bourbonnais says Murray reminded him of a SWAT officer.

"I jumped out, got his attention and called him a name. And then he just looked at me and then he started to shoot me and so when I realized that, I jumped back," said Bourbonnais, "and all I got were two pellets in my arm so I thought, 'Well, I'll jump out again' and then I noticed the lady to my right. He shot a few times. She shot a few."

"She (Assam) was yelling, I recall, 'Surrender.' I didn't want to get in her way. I was unarmed, so I ran kind of up and parallel because I couldn't see," said Bourbonnais. "She fired off 10 or 12 shots and we both came around the corner and he started sliding down and he started bleeding. He looked pretty dead. I told her to take a headshot and she said, 'No, I think he's dead.' I took a handgun out of his hand because I was unarmed. I cleared it. It had jammed, I remember that."

"I told her that's the bravest thing I've ever seen and she said, 'I was just praying. It was the Holy Spirit to help me do this right.' That was pretty powerful stuff, very, very brave," he said.
 

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Assam and Bourbonnais desplayed the "Warrior Ethic", an all too uncommon trait. They knowing placed their lives in jeopardy for the protection of others.



Just what is "warrior ethic"? It's what the Spartans displayed at Thermopylae in 480 B.C when 300 warriors held off thousands of invaders for seven day until - with their weapons broken from the slaughter - they fought with bare hands and teeth until death. It's what Jackson's Brigade showed at Bull Run in 1861 when it "stood like a stonewall" after it was attacked by a Northern force twice its size. It's what Sergeant Jose Lopez did in Belgium in 1944 when a German tank-infantry force overwhelmed his unit. Alone, he moved a machine-gun to an exposed position from which he killed 100 Germans, buying crucial time for his company to withdraw and set up on better terrain. It's what hundreds of thousands of our airmen, soldiers, sailors andmarines have done on battlefields stretching from Bunker Hill to the dusty streets of Mogadishu, where Special Operations warriors Sergeants Gary Gordon and Randall Shughart knowingly gave their lives so others might live.


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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TFFELO2&show_article=1

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) - The man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center shot himself in the head and died after being hit by shots from a church security officer, police said Tuesday. Matthew Murray, 24, was struck multiple times by a security officer at New Life Church Sunday, but his death was ruled a suicide, the El Paso County Coroner's Office concluded after an autopsy.
Murray shot himself in the head, said police Sgt. Skip Arms.
Volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam shot Murray after he entered the church. Though investigators had earlier suggested he killed himself, they credited Assam's bravery with averting a greater tragedy.
Assam, a 42-year-old former Minneapolis police officer, said her faith allowed her to remain steady under pressure.
"It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God," she said, her hands trembling as she recounted the shooting during a news conference Monday.
The first attack Sunday took place at Youth With a Mission, a training center for missionaries in the Denver suburb of Arvada; the other occurred about 12 hours later at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs.
Officials said revenge was one apparent motive for the attacks. Police said Murray had sent hate mail to the Youth With a Mission center in the last few weeks after being removed from the program years ago.
In a statement, the training center said health problems kept Murray from finishing the program, but elaborated little. Murray did not complete the lecture phase or a field assignment as part of a 12-week program, Youth With a Mission said.
Authorities also believe Murray authored an anti-Christian diatribe online that closely repeated a rant by one of the Columbine killers, a newspaper reported Tuesday.
The most recent post to the site, a forum for people who have left evangelical religious groups, was Sunday morning in the hours between his attacks in Arvada and Colorado Springs, according to KUSA-TV in Denver, which first reported on the writings.
"You Christians brought this on yourselves," Murray wrote, according to the station, which did not identify the site. "All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you ... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."
The language in the post is almost identical to the text of a manifesto written by Eric Harris, one of the teens who carried out the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School.
The online posts, under the pen name "nghtmrchld26," spanned several weeks, and in an earlier one, Murray appeared to reject offers of psychological help.
"I've already been working with counselors. I have a point to make with all this talk about psychologists and counselors `helping people with their pain,'" he wrote, according to KUSA.
The station said Murray's posts were removed from the site after Sunday's killings, and that authorities were aware of them and investigating. Police in Colorado Springs and Arvada would not comment on the writings.
In a search warrant affidavit, investigators said Murray attended a home-based computer school and worked at his computer for three to five hours a day for the past two years. Police said Murray's only previous brush with the law was a traffic ticket earlier this year.
His relatives said they were grief-stricken and baffled.
"We cannot understand why this has happened. We ask for prayer for the victims and their families during this time of grief," said Phil Abeyta, Murray's uncle, who read a statement from the family Monday.
Also Tuesday, Minneapolis police Sgt. Jesse Garcia said Assam was fired from the Minneapolis force in 1997 for lying during an internal investigation. Sgt. John Delmonico, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, said police were investigating a complaint that Assam swore at a bus driver while she was handling an incident on a city bus.
 

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This is nothing more than propaganda disseminated in order to cast dispersion on the notion that an armed citizen can defend themselves and their communities.

The heroine in this incident was quickly becoming the story and that had to be shut down post haste.

We can't have people believing that guns are good or that they can provide for their own defense. We need government agencies for that.
 

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Aspersions

aspersion (plural aspersions)
1. a slanderous remark, or the act of slandering; a slur or calumny
2. a sprinkling of holy water
I love it, in this context! Sprinkling Holy Water.

dispersion (plural dispersions)
1. The state of being dispersed; dispersedness.
2. A process of dispersing.
3. The degree of scatter of data.
4. The separation of visible light by refraction or diffraction.
 
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