Kitsap County Commisioner's Meeting

spike89 · Mar 21, 2008

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Ajetpilot wrote:

I sent the following email to the Kitsap Count Administrator today. I will post the reply when I receive one.

Subject: Illegal ban on firearms in Kitsap County Parks (KCC 10.12.080)
Please confirm that this issue is to be discussed on March 24th at 2 pm in the Port Blakely conference room in the County's Administration Building per Nancy Grennen's email dated February 8, 2008.

Are there any plans to once again exclude the public from this discussion by going into "executive session"?

Bruce A. Johnston

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Are they also going to address the bogus "no weapons" sticker on the door of the admin building?

Bear 45/70 · Mar 21, 2008

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spike89 wrote:

G27 wrote:

I actually was lucky enough to talk to Sheriff Steve Boyer today. <snip> thinks that able body citizens should be allowed to arm themselves if wanted, and that just cause something is legal doesn't mean one should do it.

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My wife was at a talk Sheriff Boyer gave recently. According to her, he leaned away from the whole armed citizen idea real hard, and instead handed out whistles to everyone. Apparently he thinks you're better off blowing a whistle to attract attention/help or scare away an attacker than carrying a firearm.

Sheriffs and Police Chiefs are no longer cops but have morphed into politicians. So political correctness is their mantra.

Trigger Dr · Mar 21, 2008

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Are they also going to address the bogus "no weapons" sticker on the door of the admin building?

I think that next Friday, I will go into the new Admin Building with the bogus sticker on the door, just to renew my trailer license. OC of course, any one else that has business there about the same time?

:celebrate

And, I also think a letter to the editor of both the Bremerton Sun and the Port Orchard Independent may be in order.

Jim

Ajetpilot · Mar 21, 2008

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Delayed two more times - in one day. First email sent at 9:26 AM:

Good Morning Bruce, the discussion on firearms in Kitsap County Parks is scheduled for April 2nd at the Wednesday Morning Work/Study. I would be happy to send you a copy of the agenda after it is created at the end of next week. It will also be posted on the County website next Friday.
Sincerely,

Debbie Austin
Administrative Specialist
for Commissioner Jan Angel
daustin@co.kitsap.wa.us
360-337-7097

Second email sent at 2:01 PM:

Good Afternoon Bruce, As happens sometimes here, the presentation of firearms in Kitsap County parks has been rescheduled to April 16th. One of the presenters was unable to make the April 2nd meeting. I will send you a copy of the agenda as we get closer to that date.
Have a great weekend!

Debbie Austin
Administrative Specialist
for Commissioner Jan Angel
daustin@co.kitsap.wa.us
360-337-7097

kparker · Mar 21, 2008

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Delayed two more times ... "One of the presenters was unable to make the April 2nd meeting"

Uhhh, what's so hard about this, and what's to present? The state has preempted their ability to issue any such regulations, and declared their existing ones void.

Wouldn't an email from the County's attorney to everyone involved suffice to explain everything to everyone involved? And the actual county commissioners' vote be a strictly pro-forma thing?

Ajetpilot · Mar 22, 2008

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kparker wrote:

Wouldn't an email from the County's attorney to everyone involved suffice to explain everything to everyone involved? And the actual county commissioners' vote be a strictly pro-forma thing?

Exactly. "Pro forma" wasprecisely how I described this when I first wrote to various county officials over five months ago. If you've been following the thread, then you are aware that when this was first discussed at a Commissioner Meeting in December, they immediately went into "executive session", I believe illegally, andI was excluded from the meeting whilean attorney from the County Prosecutor's office briefed them on the issue. I obviously don't know what the attorney told them. I had already provided them with the the references to RCW 9.41.290. When I was finally allowed to return to the meeting, they were discussing that they couldn't possibly allow firearms to be brought into all county buildings except the court house. At the time I was only pressing for firearms in parks, and I hadn't even mentioned their illegal "no firearms" sign on the front of the administration building. Since then, they continuously delay further discussions on the issue. This is the source of my frustration.

Ajetpilot · Mar 22, 2008

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Trigger Dr wrote:

I think that next Friday, I will go into the new Admin Building with the bogus sticker on the door, just to renew my trailer license. OC of course, any one else that has business there about the same time?

I'll PM you.

Ajetpilot · Apr 15, 2008

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The Kitsap County Commissioners are finally going to discuss their illegal ban on firearms in county parks. The meeting is tomorrow at 0830. I'll be there, and I'm hoping that there might be a few others that can can attend. Here is the email I received this morning:

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[size=-1]Attached is the agenda for the Work/Study session for tomorrow. The agenda is also found on the county website at kitsapgov.com/commissioners/agendas-contracts/Wednesday workstudy/date. The meeting begins at 8:30AM in the Port Blakely Conference Room (same as last time). See you then! Debbie

Debbie Austin
Administrative Specialist
for Commissioner Jan Angel
daustin@co.kitsap.wa.us
360-337-7097
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carhas0 · Apr 15, 2008

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As usual, I'll be at school in Seattle so will have to hope that my letters had an impact and depend on you for verbal arguments and presence. I would really like to go, but there is no way I could swing it, especially this week. Thank for making it, Bruce.

G27 · Apr 15, 2008

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Five dollars says it gets delayed again! Just kidding.

But in all seriousness thank you for being able to show up. Wish I could, but I can't.

Ajetpilot · Apr 16, 2008

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The discussion with the county commissioners went better than I had expected.

I was given the floor to introduce the issue to the board, following which they again went into “executive session” over my objections, citing discussion with the county attorney regarding “potential litigation”. That is about the only legitimate reason they can claim IAW RCW 42.30.110 (I had a copy with me!)

When I was again invited into the room, the commissioners announced their decision to publicly propose a change to the county code to remove the prohibition of firearms in county parks, and to invite public comment before final action. When I receive information regarding that schedule, I will post it under a new topic.

Surprisingly, I was supported at the meeting by a friend who is on the other side of the gun issue, but who fully supports my effort to bring county code in compliance with state law. You never know where support will come from.

It isn’t over yet, but we are winning this battle. My next crusade will be the illegal “no weapons” sign on the front door of the administration building.

Thank you to all who wrote letters to the Kitsap County Commissioners regarding our constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Trigger Dr · Apr 16, 2008

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Bruce,

You are providing a great service to all of us who OC..As a former Navy man,

you will know what this means....BRAVO ZULU

Jim

carhas0 · Apr 17, 2008

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Sounds like the meeting went well. Thank you for being able to make it, Bruce. It looks like all of our efforts and waiting have paid off, but of course I won't be completely satisfied until the change is on the books and the park signs.

Ajetpilot · Jun 3, 2008

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It has been about six weeks since I spoke at the county commissioners meeting. The open public meeting they agreed to hold has not yet been scheduled. I wrote them an email inquiring into the status of this issue, and the only reply I have received so far is an info copy of an email from one of the commissioners to a staff person asking her to reply formally.

It is inconceivable to me how others on this board have been able to effect change so quickly in your areas. My hat is off to you. I keep trying, but I’m making very little headway.

If anyone living in Kitsap County has some time on their hands, you may want to send an email of your own. The email address for all three commissioners is: commissioners@co.kitsap.wa.us .

Here is a copy of the email I sent:

Dear Commissioners:

I attended the April 16, 2008 Wednesday Work/Study Session to discuss Firearms in Kitsap County Parks. The minutes of that meeting report, "The Commissioners agree to hold a public meeting to discuss the repeal of the County ordinance prohibiting firearms in County Parks." I have not seen published a time/place for the public meeting, and I would like to attend. I am currently planning my schedule for the next several months, and I would like to block out time for this meeting. Do you have any idea when this will take place?

Also, I have been checking the County website for minutes and agendas of your various meetings. The last minutes that I can find for the Regular Monday Business Meeting is March 24, 2008; the Regular Monday AM Briefing Notes are April 21; the Monday PM Briefing Notes are April 28; and the Wednesday Work/Study Session Notes are May 14. Perhaps I'm not looking at the correct place on the county site. Please correct me if I am wrong, and direct me to the correct area. If my information is correct, please tell me when more recent meeting minutes will be published.

(signed name & address)

Mainsail · Jun 3, 2008

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Maybe it's time for another BBQ?

Bill Starks · Jun 3, 2008

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Mainsail wrote:

Maybe it's time for another BBQ?

I'll bring my poster size Gun Rights Pamphlet... Give me a date to be there!

Gene Beasley · Jun 3, 2008

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Ajetpilot wrote:

... eloquently, but snipped none the less ...

I always liked the movie Road House with Patrick Swayze. My favorite line from that movie was Dalton: I want you to be nice until it's time to not be nice.

This issue has been floating around since, what autumn 2007? I think it's time to not be nice. Why do they need a public hearing to comply with state law?

Are these laws impacting your right to carry? They are obviously stonewalling you. I have yet to read where anyone has successfully brought an action under 42 USC 1983, but the commissioners should be aware that this is what they're treading on... and you're tired of being nice... and about to pull that pin. Quoted in part:

Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress...

gsx1138 · Jun 3, 2008

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I'm a complete newbie to this issue but I'd like to get more involved. As for letters, I'd have no idea what to write.

However, if there's a BBQ in Kitsap county I'll go. If you guys don't mind my daughters running around.

just_a_car · Jun 3, 2008

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gsx1138 wrote:

I'm a complete newbie to this issue but I'd like to get more involved. As for letters, I'd have no idea what to write.

However, if there's a BBQ in Kitsap county I'll go. If you guys don't mind my daughters running around.

Younguns runnin' around at an OCDO BBQ is something I think we can all welcome, much less accept. I mean, what's a BBQ without kids running around having a good time?!

sv_libertarian · Jun 3, 2008

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just_a_car wrote:

Younguns runnin' around at an OCDO BBQ is something I think we can all welcome, much less accept. I mean, what's a BBQ without kids running around having a good time?!

Did you just say "younguns"?

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