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    http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/...eft-behind.pdf



    I would love to see those who want to bring their guns to college to be able to do so. This is a wonderful picture, and I wish it was my dorm at GMU.


    However, notice the beer bottles in the trash can, which gives the message that someone will get drunk and shoot someone, and then the pictures on the wall behind the computer, of a kid dressed in a black leather coat down past the knees (like Neo from The Matrix movies) shooting in a field like some sycho. Giving the impression that the person is a computer geek who thinks real life is a videogame or movie.

    I thought I'd share this link since this pertains to CCW on campus, though CCW on campus has nothing to do with keeping firearms in the dorms like the gun control nuts have in their minds...

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    I loved this quote:

    ".50 Caliber sniper rifles powerful enough to bring down an airplane." *Rolls eyes* Maybe if there were six of them mounted on the wings of P-51 Mustang from 500' behind. I'd love to see where they got thier information on that one, furthermore, I'd like to see a shooter capable of that kind of marksmanship.

    I love the way they paint all college students as binge-drinking, mentally unstable, ready-to-crack at a moments notice. Love this one too: "It is also unlikely that college gun owners will be able to keep secret the fact that they have a gun or guns, and many may openly flaunt this fact". They want to paint the scenario of Johnny Frat boy sitting on the couch after his 5th Cold One tossing his loaded 1911 to his buddies saying "check out my piece bro." Only to have his frat buddy who is on his 6th cold one point it at Johnny and squeeze off a round.

    Notice how they mention UT allowing CCW on campus but glosses over the fact that there has been no problems from CCW holding students. Then at the end they throw up a few bad examples of CCW holders behaving badly. Notice how they don't show a percentage of good vs. bad?

    I'm gonna have to agree with them on this one: "Dorm rooms are small, limiting the number of places where guns could be hidden or locked up. They often experience considerable numbers of visitors, some of whom might decide to pinch a firearm if they see one, given their resale value on the illegal market"

    Its hard to secure your stuff in a dorm room. You are reliant on your roommate to keep the room locked and you basically have to chain everything down. There are people who do nothing but troll college campuses all day looking for cars to break into, laptops to swipe, bikes to steal, etc.... The answer of course is to keep it with you at all times. Campus theives are well equipped with bolt cutters, prybars, they know how to break in and steal very very quickly.

    It gets worse over breaks. I had my car window pulled out with a hammer to steal a $120 CD player and for some reason the ashtray in mid daylight. My brother had a Jeep and he left it unlocked and empty so they wouldn't cut his softtop. Myself and both my brothers have had our vehicles broken into and steroes stolen and one bike swiped. If you want something nice on campus you better bolt it down and hide it.

    Was it just me or did they leave out the school shooting where the vice principal ran to his car and retrieve his .357 and took out the shooter?

    How in the hell can they say this about school shooters "First, many of the shooters were legally entitled to purchase or possess firearms at the time they carried out their shooting attack," Correct me if I'm wrong but juvenilles can't legally purchase or possess firearms. How many of these shootings could have been prevented if the original gun owner had properly secured his or her firearms?

    If you really want to secure a school then you better have metal detectors, xray machines and armed guards at every entrance at all times. Either that or let the students and teachers carry. To be completely honest, if I were still in college, I would seriously consider stashing my weapon in my backpack irregardless of legality. I have to wonder how many college students out there today are doing the same thing.....

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    nova wrote:
    http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/...eft-behind.pdf



    I would love to see those who want to bring their guns to college to be able to do so. This is a wonderful picture, and I wish it was my dorm at GMU.


    However, notice the beer bottles in the trash can, which gives the message that someone will get drunk and shoot someone, and then the pictures on the wall behind the computer, of a kid dressed in a black leather coat down past the knees (like Neo from The Matrix movies) shooting in a field like some sycho. Giving the impression that the person is a computer geek who thinks real life is a videogame or movie.

    I thought I'd share this link since this pertains to CCW on campus, though CCW on campus has nothing to do with keeping firearms in the dorms like the gun control nuts have in their minds...
    The entire premise of the Brady campaign is asanine. Brady was shot during the assassination attempt on Reagan. Ever since he's treated the "assassin" class the same as the "average criminal" class, which just doesn't work.

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    haha i especially love the ar-15 laying against the window on the ground floor.

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    We all know the brady campaign are a bunch of lying amoral sexually repressed weasels, but every now and then they actually do say something truthful!

    The day of the
    “Massacre at Virginia
    Tech” ... the first reaction
    of the gun lobby was
    that we need more guns
    on the college
    campuses of our
    Nation.


    Your DAMN skippy.

    The gun lobby’s real
    aim is to prohibit
    colleges and
    universities from
    keeping ANY policies
    or rules that restrict
    gun access or use by
    students.


    Your DAMN skippy

    If the rights of
    educational institutions
    can be trampled in the
    gun lobby’s mad push
    to arm students and
    teachers, what places in
    our society will remain
    off-limits to guns?


    You can keep Postal Offices, everybody uses email anyway.

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    nofoa wrote:
    We all know the brady campaign are a bunch of lying amoral sexually repressed weasels, but every now and then they actually do say something truthful!

    The day of the
    “Massacre at Virginia
    Tech” ... the first reaction
    of the gun lobby was
    that we need more guns
    on the college
    campuses of our
    Nation.


    Your DAMN skippy.

    The gun lobby’s real
    aim is to prohibit
    colleges and
    universities from
    keeping ANY policies
    or rules that restrict
    gun access or use by
    students.


    Your DAMN skippy

    If the rights of
    educational institutions
    can be trampled in the
    gun lobby’s mad push
    to arm students and
    teachers, what places in
    our society will remain
    off-limits to guns?


    You can keep Postal Offices, everybody uses email anyway.
    The NRA doesn't want to arm students, it wants students who want to be armed to be able to do so. If college gun bans are repealed I can guarantee you you won't see all that many more guns on campus. First, because those who are carrying them would be carrying them concealed, and the majority of people on college campuses are leftist types anyhow who don't even own guns.

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    True, most college kids are still 18 and 19 years old. Im guessing that alot of states require individuals to be 21 in order to get a permit. In alot of states cpl individuals make up a tiny portion of the population.

    So even if these gun free zones were gotten rid of you'd still only have a handful of people armed on campus.

    As a current college student i am concerned about this. I want a higher education, but not at the expense of life or limb.


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    I find the last part the best. They start listing all these school shooting incidents. There seem to be quite a lot.Aren't these schools already 'gun-free zones'? So what makes them think that keeping the guns out of schools would lower the rate of violence at the schools?

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    The Bill of Rights aren't given just to groups the gov. thinks will not abuse them. They are given to you until a specific court judgement restricts them for a lawful reason (hopefully). Further, those rights are not given based on a presumption that they will never be abused. That is why we have police and the judicial system. Setting up governmental groups to prejudge who gets which of the inalienable rights of man does not sound like a good idea to me.


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    I cannot believe that they did not show a big stash of drugs in the picture. As the antis have said, "Everyone at college is drunk and on drugs."

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    Of course, the gun lobby fails to mention that thousands of people with CCW licenses have committed atrocious acts of gun violence.6
    6 See Guns & Business Don’t Mix, at Appendix C (listing dozens of criminal offenses committed by CCW licensees in Florida alone, http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/gunsnbusiness.pdf); see also William Rempel & Richard Serrano, Texas Concealed Handgun Law: Felons Get Concealed Gun Licenses Under Bush’s ‘Tough’ Law, Los Angeles 34 Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence Times, Oct. 3, 2000, at 1 (finding that more than 400 criminals - including rapists and armed robbers - had been issued CCW permits in Texas, with 3,000 more arrested for criminal behavior or found to be mentally unstable
    Isn't using your own report that doesn't properly give a bad/good ratio as reference not normally the correct way to do things.... (it's really basically and open ended ref, 'i ref this and that refs.... not much')


    Second, if, as is true, students are often the ones shooting others on school grounds, do we really want America’s teachers to be armed and trained to shoot to kill their students? What if the student only flashes the gun menacingly? Even law enforcement officers who train for years to deal with these situations sometimes make mistakes
    so we can't trust teachers...because cops make mistakes? But dangit i want the cops to have more power!

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    "".50 Caliber sniper rifles powerful enough to bring down an airplane." *Rolls eyes* Maybe if there were six of them mounted on the wings of P-51 Mustang from 500' behind. I'd love to see where they got thier information on that one, furthermore, I'd like to see a shooter capable of that kind of marksmanship."
    -- soloban

    Hate to have to be the one to clue you in, but it's been done, and with guns a lot less in caliber than .50BMG. And one plane was even shot down by a guy with a 1911/45ACP...you might want to research this more before thinking it's just hype.

    I'm not defending those ignorant fools at HCI, just saying it's happened, so you might want to debate them using other tactics, not the "it can't be done" as you seem to believe.

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    Hate to have to be the one to clue you in, but it's been done, and with guns a lot less in caliber than .50BMG. And one plane was even shot down by a guy with a 1911/45ACP...you might want to research this more before thinking it's just hype.

    I'm not defending those ignorant fools at HCI, just saying it's happened, so you might want to debate them using other tactics, not the "it can't be done" as you seem to believe.

    -- John D.
    I'm not calling you a liar or trying to stir up a fight here, but do you have any sort of verification of these events?

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    jimwyant wrote:
    cloudcroft wrote:
    Hate to have to be the one to clue you in, but it's been done, and with guns a lot less in caliber than .50BMG. And one plane was even shot down by a guy with a 1911/45ACP...you might want to research this more before thinking it's just hype.

    I'm not defending those ignorant fools at HCI, just saying it's happened, so you might want to debate them using other tactics, not the "it can't be done" as you seem to believe.

    -- John D.
    I'm not calling you a liar or trying to stir up a fight here, but do you have any sort of verification of these events?
    http://www.sightm1911.com/1911%20Myt...20J.%20Baggett

    every 1911 owner should read these stories...

    my grandpa saw someone get shot down in vietnam with an ak-47 (7.62).... doesn't take much if the shooter is 'lucky'

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    jimwyant,

    Thanks, but I've stated the facts, now those who want more info need to do the research for themselves if they want the whole story...I don't have the time nor inclination to do other people's work for them. Never did. And I'm retired now on top of it.

    Besides, I already know this stuff.

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    uncool - Thanks for the link.

    cloud - At least once upon a time, it was customary here on OCDO to provide a link to verify "facts" that seem a bit unbelievable.

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    There are two kinds of knowledge, empirical and received.

    Empirical knowledge is acquired through experience - experiments and adventures - and is of value only to the sage old fart. The kids say, "cite?!"

    Received knowledge is from textbooks, classes and the Internet. The kids won't even stray out of their virtual familiar surroundings to verify stories of experiments and adventures, let alone live some life experiences and adventures.

    When they're old then its time to let words stand alone. Believe nothing you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your worldview.

    Either we are equal or we are not, young =/= old. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA *******

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    jimwyant,

    What do you not get about doing your own verification?

    Do you also depend on others for your own protection? [a rhetorical question]

    Facts be facts...look 'em up to prove me wrong if you think they're not facts.

    I wouldn't post them if they were not facts...I have a personal reputation to uphold to be right all the time...tough work. ;-)

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    .50 Caliber sniper rifles powerful enough to bring down an airplane.




    Yep. University students are apt to bring one of these things to campus for a stroll!

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    jimwyant,

    What do you not get about doing your own verification?

    Do you also depend on others for your own protection? [a rhetorical question]

    Facts be facts...look 'em up to prove me wrong if you think they're not facts.

    I wouldn't post them if they were not facts...I have a personal reputation to uphold to be right all the time...tough work. ;-)

    -- John D.
    Found no evidence of a plane being shot down by rifle fire from the ground. Searched various engines for such topics. It has been discussed in theory, but never done. The story on www.sightm1911.com dealt with a handgun while the plane and shooter were in the air.

    http://www.50caliberterror.com/index2.html

    Of course...you might be thinking about who shot down the Red Baron...http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/wor...aron-3887.html :celebrate

    Please give evidence.

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    Enough's already been said on this, sorry you can't find it.

    No, not the Red baron.

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    Let the records show that the afore mentioned assertions do go unfounded.

    Back to the original thread:

    Its a nice piece of propaganda to fuel paranoia. Either the facts are misrepresented, omitted, or are really opinions. When the facts are against you, make up some "facts" that are in your favor! The Brady Bunch must have planes circling their heads and Tattoo welcoming them to their delusions because they are on fantasy island.

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    and to add to it, if you were really good with a slingshot.... a 747 wouldn't be difficult.

    Anything and everything can be used for for anything.

    just like homer on his couch... if i wanted to, i could open my beer with my pistol. doesn't mean it's good at it, just means it could be done.

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    Deleted, personal attack.
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    hey cloud i wasn't arguing with you at all.... infact i was agreeing earlier

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...117039#p117039

    ... i was really just trying to "back you up"

    i was simply adding my opinion that using the fact that a gun can bring down a plane is like saying guns are one of the most common ways to commit murder (if one didn't have gun, they can always use something else).

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