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    http://www.publicopiniononline.com/opinion/ci_7733951
    Dec. 16, 2007

    OUR VIEW: Armed voting pushes limits of civility, common sense
    Public Opinion Online

    Just because we have the right to do something doesn't mean it's wise to exercise that right in every circumstance.

    Consider the recent dust-up between Sheriff Robert Wollyung and Chambersburg resident Greg Rotz, who showed up to vote Nov. 6 at a New Franklin polling place wearing a gun in a side holster.

    A constable at the polling place -- unarmed in accordance with the law -- cautioned Rotz against carrying his piece to the voting booths. Rotz declined the constable's suggestion that he leave his gun in his vehicle.
    Wollyung notified Rotz in a Nov. 7 letter that he was required to surrender his license to carry a firearm, according to court documents.

    Rotz has not been charged with any crime. He was technically within his rights to wear a gun while voting.
    As Americans and Pennsylvania residents, we claim many rights. We also have an obligation to make sure exercise of our rights does not infringe upon our neighbors.
    We have a right to free assembly, but not if it blocks public roads. We have a right to practice our religious beliefs, but not if such prevents others from doing the same.
    And we have the right to vote. If we do so in a manner that discourages free exercise of others' political will -- or makes them anxious doing so -- we may expect trouble.

    If government agents are barred from carrying guns at polling places to avoid the appearance of coercion upon the electoral process, citizens should be mindful that wearing their guns to vote may have the same effect.

    This is a matter of civility and respect for others.
    Regardless of whether it's warranted, the sight of a firearm in a crowded public place will make people nervous, especially if they do not know the person carrying.

    And while some who carry like to think they will be prepared if some monster shoots up a mall, just as many will lack the skills required to assess and deal with a threat while ensuring the safety of the innocent.
    Training can sharpen aim and technical skills, but nothing substitutes for experience, judgment, and level-headedness.
    In short, training cannot impart common sense.
    -- By Matthew Major, on behalf of Public Opinion's editorial board


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    So they admit the police chief did not follow the law but thats ok

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    I would really like to attend the proceeding next month. Is anyone else plan on attending???

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    PROUD American wrote:
    I would really like to attend the proceeding next month. Is anyone else plan on attending???
    I'm going.

    We plan on meeting for food afterwards Maybe a lunch before depending...



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    While I don't normally like to make fun of people for not being able to write... I don't it's "wise" for the author of this piece to write anymore "just because we have the right to" exercise free speech.

    In short, training cannot impart cohesiveness.

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    PROUD American wrote:
    I would really like to attend the proceeding next month. Is anyone else plan on attending???
    I plan on attending .... If the pesky work schedule aloows it ..

    ~~Springfield

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    I'll be there for sure.

    Also my comment to that article.

    Ok, then I don't think it's within your rights to exercise free speech and print this article online because I find it offensive.

    Get real now, and do some investigation on a story. Because of the State Constitution, The Right of the People to Keep and Bear arms shall not be questioned. If it we are not allowed to Open Carry then we would have to remove the PA Licence to Carry Firearms and ANYONE who can get a gun legally would be able to conceal that weapon.

    I feel if someone is going to show their firearm then they are most likely not up to anything nefarious.

    The issue over licensing for concealment, comes from the Wild West days when if you were hiding your firearm you were usually up to no good.
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    There is no law that required the constable to be unarmed when he is there acting in an official capacity, in this case providing some type of security.

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    Steve in PA wrote:
    There is no law that required the constable to be unarmed when he is there acting in an official capacity, in this case providing some type of security.
    Apparrently there is is somthing buried in the PA State Board of Elections regulations or this whole controversey would not have probably occurred. Can anyone find this reg?

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    Don't have time to look, but it should be in here if anywhere.

    http://members.aol.com/StatutesP1/25.Cp.14.html

    Mike wrote:
    Steve in PA wrote:
    There is no law that required the constable to be unarmed when he is there acting in an official capacity, in this case providing some type of security.
    Apparrently there is is somthing buried in the PA State Board of Elections regulations or this whole controversey would not have probably occurred. Can anyone find this reg?

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    Skuggi wrote:
    Don't have time to look, but it should be in here if anywhere.

    Mike wrote: [/b]
    Steve in PA wrote:
    There is no law that required the constable to be unarmed when he is there acting in an official capacity, in this case providing some type of security.
    Apparrently there is is somthing buried in the PA State Board of Elections regulations or this whole controversey would not have probably occurred. Can anyone find this reg?

    Those are statutes - we need to find the voting regulations.

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    the original thread that was started in the pennsylvania forum should have the specific law that prevents leos from carrying there.

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    I'm going to the hearing.....

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    The editorial is not logical. Follow this to the logcal conclusion:

    Rosa Parks - you have a right to sit in the front of the bus, but don't because it will make the white folk feel uncomfortable.

    or

    Public Opinion - Don't print the stories about the scourge of drug use, this might make users uncomfortable.

    It isstrange how the Public Opinion criticizes Rotz who did nothing wrong, but gives a Sheriff that blatantly abuses a citizen for exercising constitutional rights a pass.




    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    or, how dare gay people hold hands near an elementary school??!!

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    We should wear a "color of the day", or do something similar to display unity!!!

    Any ideas???

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    PROUD American wrote:
    We should wear a "color of the day", or do something similar to display unity!!!

    Any ideas???
    Might get arrested for "gang activity" or something of the like...

    I'm half kidding and half serious...

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    Dress civilized. Don't need to look like a bunch of "goobers," "rednecks," or "gun nuts." Remember those fateful words, "Film at Eleven."

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    Absolutely, trust me, I have nothing but good intentions in mind...

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    When the otherwise empty court room (except for family of the usual suspects) is packed with everyday people the message will not be lost on the powers that (claim to) be.And anice press releasefrom Mike will make that point with the media if they can't see itthrough their own bias. Not to mention all the empty holsters.
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    Although this is one of the locations where we ARE permitted to carry our sidearms and Mr. Sheriff obviously overstepped his bounds. There are locations where we can NOT carry our sidearms. I can not carry when I enter healthcare facilities (during working hours) and when I'm in my office building. Luckily my employer has revised their policies and permitted employee's to have firearms IN their vehicles during working hours. When I exit my vehicle, I utilizethe "safe" shown below, it runs about 30 bucks at most sporting goods dealers and is VERY sturdy. I was lucky; I dug through the pile at Cabela's until I found the only two that were keyed alike. So I have them in each of my vehicles that I drive and only have one key to carry... Obviously, if someone knows what I do, and they bring the proper tools, they can take my safe. But at the moment, this is all that I can afford...




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    PROUD American wrote:
    Although this is one of the locations where we ARE permitted to carry our sidearms and Mr. Sheriff obviously overstepped his bounds. There are locations where we can NOT carry our sidearms. I can not carry when I enter healthcare facilities (during working hours) and when I'm in my office building. Luckily my employer has revised their policies and permitted employee's to have firearms IN their vehicles during working hours. When I exit my vehicle, I utilizethe "safe" shown below, it runs about 30 bucks at most sporting goods dealers and is VERY sturdy. I was lucky; I dug through the pile at Cabela's until I found the only two that were keyed alike. So I have them in each of my vehicles that I drive and only have one key to carry... Obviously, if someone knows what I do, and they bring the proper tools, they can take my safe. But at the moment, this is all that I can afford...
    Well, you can carry in those places, you just may be asked to leave and be charged with trespassing if you don't. As far as I know, courthouses are the only places in PA legally off-limits to carrying a handgun.

    I think that's what you meant, but there's a lot of misinformation floating around about places in PA where it's illegal to carry firearms.

    Then again, I think I remember you mentioning that you work or worked for a correctional facility, so perhaps there are more restrictive laws that apply to you, such as the one in this case where LEOs can't carry at polling places. But I'll admit that I'm not too well versed in the gun laws that don't apply to private citizens.

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    Nah, I'm no longer with the Dept of corrections, I have transferred to another state agency. And, during working hours I am not permitted to carry my sidearm into healthcare facilities as it is not related to my job. I carry it everywhere, else but lock it up when I head into the facility to perform my inspection...

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    When and where is the hearing?

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