Ron Paul Supporters

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I am, and have always been and voted Republican.



I want Ron Paul to be my next President.



It is our best chance to take our country back.

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tarzan1888 wrote:

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cato wrote:

Always a registered constitutionalist Republican. Now a Ron Paul constitutionalist Republican! But I've never given $$$$ to or voted in a primary election before. Now I'm even canvasing for RP door to door!



MAY THE CONSTITUTION BE WITH YOU...

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What an intelligent, well thought out reply! Have anything useful to add to the discussion?

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No.



I disagree with Ron Paul on to many issues that are dear to my heart, and so I sort of lost it when I saw him compared to ObeWan.



I should know better than click on the Ron Paul threads.



Sorry to barf on your parade



Tarzan

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I'm not trying to impose, but would you mind giving me examples of issues where you vastly disagree with Ron Paul? Which candidate are you supporting at this point, if any?
I'm curious because I'm surprised there would be someone here who disgrees with him enough to "barf on someone's parade".
Please reply, I'm truly interested.

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I am from a family of die hard Conservatives, which I identify.

The Republicans in congress are a bunch of leftist liberals. Big spenders, war hawks (if you know anything about history, liberals are the war hawks, conservatives realize war = bigger govt).

I am going to vote for him next month because I think he is the only one that really undertands and will do something about the pending fiscal crisis. Our great country is headed for hard times if we don't get a handle on our gov't spending. SS, Medicare/cade are all going to bankrupt us and no one is doing anything about it. Add the wars on top of that, ugh.

If we would have spent what we are on Iraq, we could have developed an alternative fuel source by now and forgotten about the middle east forever.

The "Republicans" in Congress could have done great things when they held all the ropes, instead they doubled the size of the government.

I am beginning to think Conservatism is dead...

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hsmith wrote:

I am from a family of die hard Conservatives, which I identify.

The Republicans in congress are a bunch of leftist liberals. Big spenders, war hawks (if you know anything about history, liberals are the war hawks, conservatives realize war = bigger govt).

I am going to vote for him next month because I think he is the only one that really undertands and will do something about the pending fiscal crisis. Our great country is headed for hard times if we don't get a handle on our gov't spending. SS, Medicare/cade are all going to bankrupt us and no one is doing anything about it. Add the wars on top of that, ugh.

If we would have spent what we are on Iraq, we could have developed an alternative fuel source by now and forgotten about the middle east forever.

The "Republicans" in Congress could have done great things when they held all the ropes, instead they doubled the size of the government.

I am beginning to think Conservatism is dead...

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You and I think similarly. Conservatism is dead. Neo-cons are what populate republican spots these days. That's why the republican party is shriking fast. To relate to the current Rep. roster you either have to be a bible thumper, a war hawk, or....

Everyone should do themselves a favor and protect their wealth against WHOEVER gets into office in 2008, BUY GOLD! I've been doing so since 2002. ALWAYS bet on the side of human greed (govt spending). If anyone wants to know more, msg me.

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"Conservative" is an adjective, not a pronoun or proper noun. Example: if Hitler killed 10 million people and Stalin killed 5 million people, then Stalin would be considered a conservative mass murderer.

When it comes to selecting presidential candidates, they are either constitutionalists, fascists or socialists, or a blend of both fascist/socialist. Which description defines YOUR candidate?

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:

"Conservative" is an adjective, not a pronoun or proper noun. Example: if Hitler killed 10 million people and Stalin killed 5 million people, then Stalin would be considered a conservative mass murderer.

When it comes to selecting presidential candidates, they are either constitutionalists, fascists or socialists, or a blend of both fascist/socialist. Which description defines YOUR candidate?

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Objectivist.

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I am mostly a Republican, with libertarian leanings.

Itr is very hard for me to take the Lp seriously. The local party officials used to all be pot heads who only cared about their supposed right to fry their brains out with weed. Eveything else the LP claims to believe in is fluff to pull in a few others to support the legalization of pot.

I also have a lot of trouble with the LP open borders policy.

Little "l" libertarians are a lot more principled than typical LP members, and are a lot closer to my beliefs in most areas.

I wish RP had a rational foreign policy though. The provably wrong idea that every foreign power will just leave us alone if we hide behind our own borders (if that was even practical) is pretty scary. If one looks at the hostory of the world, it is quite clear that the ONLY thing that protects one from foreign invaders is a very strong forward defense.

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The local party officials used to all be pot heads who only cared about their supposed right to fry their brains out with weed.

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Even if they were "potheads," the amount of marijuana it would require to actually cause brain damage would be quite insane indeed.

Honestly though, it does appear that a bunch of raids resulting in death are stemming from "drug raids" on people who have small amounts of marijuana, etc. This type of thing really doesn't need to be illegal, it's costing us tons of money that we don't need to spend, and tons of lives that don't need to be lost.



Anyway, I agree 100% on the fact that many of the people today who call themselves "republicans" do not represent what I would think of as being conservative ideals. It's almost like it's a fad or something to "be a republican."

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longwatch wrote:

Life long republican here, voted for Bush, Dole, Bush twice. Proudly backing Ron Paul because I think hes closer to the party's ideals than anyone else.

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+1. I am a republican, I voted for GWB, and I'm voting for Ron Paul because I think that he is the only true republican running.

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ilbob wrote:

I wish RP had a rational foreign policy though. The provably wrong idea that every foreign power will just leave us alone if we hide behind our own borders (if that was even practical) is pretty scary. If one looks at the hostory of the world, it is quite clear that the ONLY thing that protects one from foreign invaders is a very strong forward defense.

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Who said Ron Paul wasn't for a strong defense? Since when does our occupying foreign countries have anything to do with defense? That's kind of the opposite of defense. I don't see how sending our military, reserves, and even national guard to a foreign country is leaving anyone to defend the US. Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home to defend our own boarders. Perhaps you should look at more than just the current administration's deffinition of "defense", because it might be just a little tainted.

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expvideo wrote:

ilbob wrote:

I wish RP had a rational foreign policy though. The provably wrong idea that every foreign power will just leave us alone if we hide behind our own borders (if that was even practical) is pretty scary. If one looks at the hostory of the world, it is quite clear that the ONLY thing that protects one from foreign invaders is a very strong forward defense.

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Who said Ron Paul wasn't for a strong defense? Since when does our occupying foreign countries have anything to do with defense? That's kind of the opposite of defense. I don't see how sending our military, reserves, and even national guard to a foreign country is leaving anyone to defend the US. Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home to defend our own boarders. Perhaps you should look at more than just the current administration's deffinition of "defense", because it might be just a little tainted.

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Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, not an Isolationist.

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I registered as republican because when I was younger I did not know about third parties and other ways of thinking. Although I am currently a hardcore constitution supporter.

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Thundar wrote:

expvideo wrote:

ilbob wrote:

I wish RP had a rational foreign policy though. The provably wrong idea that every foreign power will just leave us alone if we hide behind our own borders (if that was even practical) is pretty scary. If one looks at the hostory of the world, it is quite clear that the ONLY thing that protects one from foreign invaders is a very strong forward defense.

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Who said Ron Paul wasn't for a strong defense? Since when does our occupying foreign countries have anything to do with defense? That's kind of the opposite of defense. I don't see how sending our military, reserves, and even national guard to a foreign country is leaving anyone to defend the US. Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home to defend our own boarders. Perhaps you should look at more than just the current administration's deffinition of "defense", because it might be just a little tainted.

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Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist, not an Isolationist.

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I know that and I didn't mean to imply that he was. I was trying to understand how ilbob considerspre-emptive, undeclared wars to be a good defense.

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tarzan1888wrote,

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I disagree with Ron Paul on to many issues that are dear to my heart,

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sirgonzo420wrote, I'm not trying to impose, but would you mind giving me examples of issues where you vastly disagree with Ron Paul?

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My guess would be that Tarzan leans more with the Religious right on things like abortion and gay mariage. I don't think there is anything wrong with that and I think he would find many more people would take his comments more seriously if he would just state as such. (If I am wrong by all means correct me.)

ilbobwrote:

I wish RP had a rational foreign policy though. The provably wrong idea that every foreign power will just leave us alone if we hide behind our own borders (if that was even practical) is pretty scary.

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http://killeenroos.com/1/Romefall.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_domination

Rome declined much because of a forward military policy. While they entagled themselves with the Gauls and English the huns a Goths had no problem looting the citidel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

The English empire suffered from over expansion of their military with the American Colonies, France and Spain.

I'm not quite following your point on hiding behind our borders...

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It is basically going to come down to a liberal on the republican ticket running against a liberal on the democratic ticket.

McRomney are liberals to their core, as are Hillbama. If you are a true conservative in this election, you really don't have a dog in this hunt.

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hsmith wrote:

McRomney are liberals to their core, as are Hillbama. If you are a true conservative in this election, you really don't have a dog in this hunt.

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Well, RP is no newbie to politics, so don't count him out yet. His own party repeatedly tries to torpedo his re-elections in Texas and he finds a way to win anyway.

As an aside, I find it hilarious that we have come up with so many combinations of names. "Hillbama" LOL. I personally like Hillary McRomnuckabama. I'm kind of glad I no longer have to squeeze Giuliani's name into that ball of used soap.

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Tomahawk wrote:

hsmith wrote:

McRomney are liberals to their core, as are Hillbama. If you are a true conservative in this election, you really don't have a dog in this hunt.

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Well, RP is no newbie to politics, so don't count him out yet. His own party repeatedly tries to torpedo his re-elections in Texas and he finds a way to win anyway.

As an aside, I find it hilarious that we have come up with so many combinations of names. "Hillbama" LOL. I personally like Hillary McRomnuckabama. I'm kind of glad I no longer have to squeeze Giuliani's name into that ball of used soap.

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I saw a good one for Giuliani the other day... "9iu11ani"


While VA doesn't register along party lines, i'm pretty much a libertarian but generally vote republican except in extreme cases (like when people like mitt romney are on the ballot)

i don't have a serious problem with the standings of a lot of republicans, unlike the democrats which go against everything i think.

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RP does have the best positions on many of the issues. It is unfortunate that many decide who to vote for based upon personal appearance, performance indebates, etc.

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WhiteFeather,

That link re: the fall of Rome (listing causes) left out at least one major cause: Towards the end, Rome let just about ANYONE become a citizen, especially foreigners who couldn't have cared less about assimilating and/or taking on traditional Roman values, etc..

A "Balkanization" of Rome took place -- lots of self-segregated ethnic groups -- much like what has been happening here in America.

The once highly-valued Roman citizenship became cheapened and almost meaningless...just liketoday re:AMERICAN citizenship.

And the Romanslet just about ANYONE into their once purely-Roman "citizen-soldier" armies, too...foreigners of all sorts who weren't even citizens (and as mentioned, didn't care what that meant)...like America has beendoing re: its military.

Yes, there are LOTS of similarities bewteen ancient Rome and modern America...and most of them negative.

-- John D.

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cloudcroft wrote:

WhiteFeather,

That link re: the fall of Rome (listing causes) left out at least one major cause: Towards the end, Rome let just about ANYONE become a citizen, especially foreigners who couldn't have cared less about assimilating and/or taking on traditional Roman values, etc..

A "Balkanization" of Rome took place -- lots of self-segregated ethnic groups -- much like what has been happening here in America.

The once highly-valued Roman citizenship became cheapened and almost meaningless...just liketoday re:AMERICAN citizenship.

And the Romanslet just about ANYONE into their once purely-Roman "citizen-soldier" armies, too...foreigners of all sorts who weren't even citizens (and as mentioned, didn't care what that meant)...like America has beendoing re: its military.

Yes, there are LOTS of similarities bewteen ancient Rome and modern America...and most of them negative.

-- John D.

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That's interesting, considering Ron Paul is the only candidate who has brought up the issue of eliminating automatic birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.

I think there is one big area where the Rome-America analogy doesn't quite match up, though: the size, role, and influence of the military, and its makeup.

The Roman army consisted of large units that basically operated on a semi-independent basis, being so far from the capitol and with slow communication. As you pointed out, many of these units were composed almost entirely of foreigners in the latter years. And after Julius Ceasar, the idea of seperating the military from civil affairs was tossed out the window.

America is not like that, not yet, anyway. The military is much more tightly controlled from the center and the units are not built along ethnic or regional lines, but rather a mixed bag. And as the U.S. military is a very small proportion of the population, it follows that the number of immigrants naturalized by service is also very small. Certainly they must be dwarfed by the number of illegals crossing the border every day.

Just my musings on the matter.