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Deadly Force Law in NC

revis_jonathan

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What is the deadly force laws in NC for:

1- Homeowners

2-In public places

3-In hotels

4-In a vehicle



I'm familiar with SC very well, but over the years the laws kinda blend together.
 

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North Carolina Passes Innovative Shoot First Law




By Douglas Salguod

Aug 9, 2006, 06:48




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Daniel G. Clodfelter (D-Mecklenburg)
RALEIGH, N.C. - The North Carolina state legislature passed the nation's first actual "Shoot First" law yesterday. In the last year, fifteen other states have enacted laws expanding the right of self-defense, allowing crime victims to use deadly force in situations in which the use of such force might formerly have subjected them to prosecution for murder. Supporters call them "stand your ground" laws. Opponents call them "shoot first" laws.

North Carolina appears to have come up with an innovative legal solution to this divide that may, almost incredibly, satisfy both anti-constitutional gun-control loonies and gun-toting law-and-order nuts. The legislation, which is called "The Shoot First; No, Please,You Shoot First Law," forbids the prosecution of anyone involved in the use of deadly force as long as he or she gives the other person the unhindered opportunity to shoot him or her first.

http://www.pugbus.net/artman/publish/08092006_11_shootfirst.shtml


Check this site out as well: http://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
 

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I wonder what might be the elements of 'please, you shoot first'? They seem inherent in a Good Guy citizen going about his business with his piece holstered/concealed, the BG has every first opportunity - of instigation.

The elements of common law self-defense are four; 1) Be innocent of instigation. 2) Be in reasonable fear of harm. 3) Attempt to withdraw. 4) Use sufficient force only to deliver oneself from evil.
 

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Sounds like a sly move on the part of the 2A guys.

The defender can't shoot until there is jeopardy/intent--meaning the other guy is taking his clear, underhindered chance to shoot first.

Whaddaya do if he's coming at you with a knife?

Of course, the simple thing is to expose the media's shallow understanding/lies of what these laws do--make it harder for unlawful prosecution. They in no way authorize shooting first any more than the common law already does...not.
 

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I did not see anything that defined exactly how long that unhindered opportunity to be. Honestly officer, I told him to go ahead and shoot first. I waited a whole pico second (10 to the -12th) and then let him have it. Do ya want to go get a cola?
 

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Basically, it means that you have to prove that the other person was given the opportunity to cause bodily harm to you before you caused it to him. IOW: Get a good attorney!
 

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My question is how in the hellis someonegoing to prove that a perp is taking his clear, "underhindered" chance to shoot you first if he dies, or, says otherwise if he lives?!? I agree with .40 Cal.......get a good lawyer!!

2nd Amendment........Use it........Or, lose it!!:X
 

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If you look closely at the website linked in the post above, you will see that it is a parody website along the lines of "The Onion".

I don't think it is really representative of what the N.C. "Stand Your Ground" Law actually states.
 

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Although it is a parody of the law, it represents the idea behind self defense shooting in NC. You are not allowed to shoot a person who is fleeing (makes sense), you are not allowed to shoot a person who is not equally armed or in a position to cause lethal bodily harm (you aren't allowed to be proactive), you can't shoot a person in yourhomeunless he attacks you (just havinghim in proximity to your family wouldn't justify lethal force, however if he is pounding on your door you may shoot through the door... makes sense?), and you may use deadly force if you witness an assault that a reasonable person would consider would lead to a homicide or rape (even in rape prevention lethal force is questionable).
 

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.40 Cal wrote:
Although it is a parody of the law, it represents the idea behind self defense shooting in NC. You are not allowed to shoot a person who is fleeing (makes sense), you are not allowed to shoot a person who is not equally armed or in a position to cause lethal bodily harm (you aren't allowed to be proactive), you can't shoot a person in yourhomeunless he attacks you (just havinghim in proximity to your family wouldn't justify lethal force, however if he is pounding on your door you may shoot through the door... makes sense?), and you may use deadly force if you witness an assault that a reasonable person would consider would lead to a homicide or rape (even in rape prevention lethal force is questionable).
Anyone have a link to the actual text of the law? I tried to find it, but didn't have any luck.
 

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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nc&vol=appeals2004/&invol=031192-1

Hope this helps:

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[align=center]NORTH CAROLINA COURT OF APPEALS[/align]


[align=center]Filed: 4 May 2004[/align]



STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA

v.Robeson County
No. 00 CRS 007976
KENDRICK SHANTE MCLEAN




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Appeal by defendant from judgment dated 30 April 2003 by Judge Jack A. Thompson in Superior Court, Robeson County. Heard in the Court of Appeals 19 April 2004.

Attorney General Roy Cooper, by Assistant Attorney General Sandra Wallace-Smith, for the State.

Appellate Defender Staples Hughes, by Assistant Appellate Defender Katherine Jane Allen, for defendant-appellant.


McGEE, Judge.


Defendant was convicted of voluntary manslaughter. The trial court imposed a presumptive sentence of fifty-seven to seventy- eight months of imprisonment.
Defendant was charged with first-degree murder for the shooting death of Richard Stubbs on Malpass Avenue in Red Springs, North Carolina on 11 April 2000. An autopsy revealed that Stubbs was shot once or twice in the back of his legs and once fatally in the right side of his back. Police found eight shell casings at the scene, all of which were fired from defendant's nine millimeter handgun. Although defendant testified that he fired in self- defense only after Stubbs jumped in front of his car and threatenedhim with a gun, no weapon was found on or near Stubbs' body.
The trial court denied defendant's motion to dismiss the charge at the conclusion of the evidence. The court instructed the jury on first degree and second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, perfect and imperfect self-defense, and heat of passion.
Defendant argues that the trial court erred in denying his motion to dismiss, absent substantial evidence that he was not entitled to use deadly force against Stubbs in self-defense. In order for a homicide to be justified as self-defense, the evidence must establish the following:
(1) it appeared to defendant and he believed it to be necessary to kill the deceased in order to save himself from death or great bodily harm; and

(2) defendant's belief was reasonable in that the circumstances as they appeared to him at that time were sufficient to create such a belief in the mind of a person of ordinary firmness; and

(3) defendant was not the aggressor in bringing on the affray, i.e., he did not aggressively and willingly enter into the fight without legal excuse or provocation; and

(4) defendant did not use excessive force, i.e., did not use more force than was necessary or reasonably appeared to him to be necessary under the circumstances to protect himself from death or great bodily harm.
State v. McAvoy, 331 N.C. 583, 595, 417 S.E.2d 489, 497 (1992) (quoting State v. Norris, 303 N.C. 526, 530, 279 S.E.2d 570, 572-73 (1981)). Defendant argues the State's evidence failed to disprove any of these four factors.Having reviewed the trial transcript, we find "[t]he evidence presented does not unequivocally establish that the killing was in self-defense." State v. Gray, 337 N.C. 772, 778, 448 S.E.2d 794, 798 (1994). The State's witnesses, Cecil Monroe and Charles Galbreath, both testified that defendant, without provocation, instigated the fatal encounter with Stubbs. These eyewitnesses stated they were with Stubbs in the front yard of Galbreath's house on the afternoon of the shooting. They saw defendant circle the block in his car three times. When Stubbs began walking toward his mother's house, defendant attempted to run him over with his car. Defendant got out of his car and fired at Stubbs several times as he attempted to flee. Although defendant challenges the motives and reliability of the State's witnesses, such issues are not before a court when ruling upon a motion to dismiss. Unless the testimony of a witness is contrary to physical laws or involves assertions of fact beyond his or her capacity to observe, the jury is the sole and final arbiter of credibility. See State v. Sneed, 327 N.C. 266, 272-73, 393 S.E.2d 531, 534 (1990) (citing State v. Miller, 270 N.C. 726, 154 S.E.2d 902 (1967)). In this case, defendant neither asserts nor shows that the challenged testimony was inherently incredible in this way. Accordingly, the question of self-defense was properly left to the jury. State v. Turner, 305 N.C. 356, 363, 289 S.E.2d 368, 372 (1982) (quoting Miller, 270 N.C. at 732, 154 S.E.2d at 906).
No error.
Chief Judge MARTIN and Judge BRYANT concur.Report per Rule 30(e).
 

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How i see it is in all states you should be allowed to shoot someone if you or someone elses life is in danger.

I also believe that is the main law. Of course it doesn't break it down but it should give you an idea. If someone's life is indanger and you can prevent them or you from being killed do it.

Thats how i see it.
 

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Smurfologist wrote:
My question is how in the hellis someonegoing to prove that a perp is taking his clear, "underhindered" chance to shoot you first if he dies, or, says otherwise if he lives?!?
Well, I suppose you could take Andrew Jackson's approach. In his duel with Charles Dickinson, Jackson let Dickinson put a .70 ball into his ribs, then shot and killed him.

"Your honor, my proof that I let him shoot first is that he shot me!"
 

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swillden wrote:
Smurfologist wrote:
My question is how in the hellis someonegoing to prove that a perp is taking his clear, "underhindered" chance to shoot you first if he dies, or, says otherwise if he lives?!?
Well, I suppose you could take Andrew Jackson's approach. In his duel with Charles Dickinson, Jackson let Dickinson put a .70 ball into his ribs, then shot and killed him.

"Your honor, my proof that I let him shoot first is that he shot me!"

I hear you, swillden. I think that NC's law (the way that it is written) is not practical in real life situations (just my opinion, for what it's worth).

2nd Amendment..........Use it...........Or, lose it!!:X
 

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retiredcop wrote on 12/13/2008 12:36:40 PM:
Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

Malcolm X... &... This 68 year old retired Cop:banghead:
 

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