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    Does Virginias state preemption apply only to firearms? Where is the exact statute for the preemption? According to the law I link to below, I would assume, by state law, that a knife on my side, so long as not concealed, is legal. If these are nto also preempted are there county laws pertaining to blades?

    considering this familiar law:
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308
    Is it therefore illegalfor my nerdy friendto walk around with a sword-cane?

    :quirky

    Seems it would classify as either a concealed dirk or machette.

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    You question begs a more significant question. Do 2A rights only apply to firearms or do they also apply to swords, cutlasses, knives and dirks?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Maybe the second amendment only applies to weapons other than firearms.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Maybe the second amendment only applies to weapons other than firearms.
    LEO 229, Are you from D.C or Chicago???

    Your sense of humor is sharp.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    "firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof"

    Could also apply to bayonettes since they could be considered as a component of a firearm, but so can a grenade launcher made to attach to a firearm, so I'm not 100 percent sure about bayonettes. Maybe the guys thinking about the Tidewater OC for rifles in another thread can add those too so they can bring even more negative attention to themselves. A grenade launcher could be a "firearm" by itself. I don't own one yet so I don't know for sure.

    § 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies.
    A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.
    Nothing in this section shall prohibit a locality from adopting workplace rules relating to terms and conditions of employment of the workforce. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-101 from acting within the scope of his duties.
    The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency, but not including any local or regional jail or juvenile detention facility.
    B. Any local ordinance, resolution or motion adopted prior to the effective date of this act governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, other than those expressly authorized by statute, is invalid.
    (1987, c. 629, § 15.1-29.15; 1988, c. 392; 1997, cc. 550, 587; 2002, c. 484; 2003, c. 943; 2004, cc. 837, 923.)
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    Thundar wrote:
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    Maybe the second amendment only applies to weapons other than firearms.
    LEO 229, Are you from D.C or Chicago???

    Your sense of humor is sharp.
    Thank you sir! I worked in DC for a few years.. Must have picked it up there.

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    I used to OC a larger fixed blade knife in a seath all the time. Had one LEO ask me to put it in the car at Commonwealth 20 (movie theatre),but he was very polite.

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    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Hahah I never said it was the smartest thing in the world

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    Ghettokracker71 wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Hahah I never said it was the smartest thing in the world
    Should have said you needed it for wittlin' wood.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Why not self defense? It may not be what you or I would choose but if someone wants to tote a KABAR or wakizashi or Kukri, I believe they have the right to bear those arms.

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    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Why not self defense? It may not be what you or I would choose but if someone wants to tote a KABAR or wakizashi or Kukri, I believe they have the right to bear those arms.
    Your kidding, right?

    You are the guy they talk about who brought a knife to a gun fight.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Why not self defense? It may not be what you or I would choose but if someone wants to tote a KABAR or wakizashi or Kukri, I believe they have the right to bear those arms.
    Your kidding, right?

    You are the guy they talk about who brought a knife to a gun fight.
    Learn to read.

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    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Why not self defense? It may not be what you or I would choose but if someone wants to tote a KABAR or wakizashi or Kukri, I believe they have the right to bear those arms.
    Your kidding, right?

    You are the guy they talk about who brought a knife to a gun fight.
    Learn to read.
    Please clarify your comment. I find it inappropriate.

    As the moderator, you are supposed to moderate and not belittle the members.


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    LEO 229 wrote:
    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Why not self defense? It may not be what you or I would choose but if someone wants to tote a KABAR or wakizashi or Kukri, I believe they have the right to bear those arms.
    Your kidding, right?

    You are the guy they talk about who brought a knife to a gun fight.
    Not to start a debate on the differences between knives and guns and which is better, but consider this: a knife will never run out of ammo, nor will it ever jam.

    Does that mean I recommend bringing a knife to a gun fight? Not really, but what it does mean is that each is a tool and each has different strengths and weaknesses.

    There may be situations where a knife is a more handy tool. As such, I think questions about their legality are fair game and in the interest of this community.

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    Knives and guns have their uses.

    Little sense in only carrying one or the other.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Lou_Sanderson wrote:
    Not to start a debate on the differences between knives and guns and which is better, but consider this: a knife will never run out of ammo, nor will it ever jam.

    Does that mean I recommend bringing a knife to a gun fight? Not really, but what it does mean is that each is a tool and each has different strengths and weaknesses.

    There may be situations where a knife is a more handy tool. As such, I think questions about their legality are fair game and in the interest of this community.
    Here is what I am thinking....

    Back in the day we used to fist fight to solve our problems....

    So for those that did not fight that well decided to carry a knife to balance things out.

    Is a knife a weapon? Duh!! Yes!! Deadly? Oh... it can be!

    But then people decided they needed to combat others with knivesor able to fight back so they nowthey carrya GUN!!!

    So if you think your going to carry a knife to fight with.... think twice about who you are likely to actually be fighting...

    Youwill likely be "the guy." You know.... bringing a knife to.... you get it.

    Now if you cannot carry anything else... sure.. take a knife with you. Better to have something to use.


    This is why I was "joking" with LW but then he felt it necessary to belittle me instead of moderate. He has lost his sense of humor I guess. I guess he disabled smile faces and did not see my laughter. <---- laughing icon here

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Lou_Sanderson wrote:
    Not to start a debate on the differences between knives and guns and which is better, but consider this: a knife will never run out of ammo, nor will it ever jam.

    Does that mean I recommend bringing a knife to a gun fight? Not really, but what it does mean is that each is a tool and each has different strengths and weaknesses.

    There may be situations where a knife is a more handy tool. As such, I think questions about their legality are fair game and in the interest of this community.
    Here is what I am thinking....

    Back in the day we used to fist fight to solve our problems....

    So for those that did not fight that well decided to carry a knife to balance things out.

    Is a knife a weapon? Duh!! Yes!! Deadly? Oh... it can be!

    But then people decided they needed to combat others with knivesor able to fight back so they nowthey carrya GUN!!!

    So if you think your going to carry a knife to fight with.... think twice about who you are likely to actually be fighting...

    Youwill likely be "the guy." You know.... bringing a knife to.... you get it.

    Now if you cannot carry anything else... sure.. take a knife with you. Better to have something to use.


    This is why I was "joking" with LW but then he felt it necessary to belittle me instead of moderate. He has lost his sense of humor I guess. I guess he disabled smile faces and did not see my laughter. <---- laughing icon here
    Ok, ok, whatever, whatever.

    I guess I just think the "dont bring a gun to a knife fight" piece of advise that pops up EVERY time knives are discussed, while true in a literal sense, is a gross oversimplification.

    If I knew I was going to encounter an any weapon-involved fight, I have to think it would be better to just not show up in the first place.

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    LEO 229 felt it neccessary to belittle me for something I did not even say, and gets all huffy about me telling him to reread what I actually wrote. Hmm.

    For the record I am fully in favor of not bringing a knife to a gun fight, but there are people who may choose for whatever reason to carry a knife for self defense and I think that it should be their right.

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    You'd be suprised the few people that even carry a knife on a daily basis so having a knife can be a huge advantage. Also, what's the number of people with CHPs in VA? I bet it's a small percentage of the poplulation in VA right? So having a knife and having to pull it out in a fight could be a fight stopper if that other person statistically does not have a concealed firearm. And if a person is OC, would you start a physical fight with them?

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    Then again, I'd venture to guess that a larger number of people carry knives than have CHP's or OC sans permit.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 felt it neccessary to belittle me for something I did not even say, and gets all huffy about me telling him to reread what I actually wrote. Hmm.

    For the record I am fully in favor of not bringing a knife to a gun fight, but there are people who may choose for whatever reason to carry a knife for self defense and I think that it should be their right.
    First off LW I was kidding... Hence the smile face.It was OBVIOUS that YOU did not say you would do it.I figured that since you and I did not have any problems you would have figured that out without too much difficulty. I guess not. :?

    Secondly... you are here to moderate. You should be setting the example and correcting US when we belittle others needlessly.

    Instead.... You FAILED to request clarification to determine if there was some type of misunderstanding. You then chose to attack 'as a moderator'withpower here to do so much more to us regular members.

    This makes you a dirty moderator. Who will police the the dirty moderators? Mike?

    For the record.. I carry a knife every day. It is not intended as a primary weapon but more a tool. Anything could be a weapon.

    The joke I was making was just that... Someone bringing a knife to a gun fight.

    I respectfully suggest you correct yourself before you go correcting us.

    Is the Moderator creed... "Do as I say.. not as I do!" Because you can always fall back onto rule #5

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    All right you two, break it up, break it up. Move along, nothing to see here.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Knives are extremely dangerous and are very lethal.

    Guns are not the answer to every tactical problem, though we (as in gun people) have been told otherwise.

    In a VERY close encounter, going for a *holstered* gun is probably the wrong action. It depends upon what the goblin is doing. If he has a knife in his hands, you'll need to fend off his attacks until you get the opportunity to deploy a knife or gun. This is difficult and requires some training to do successfully. It also requires a good to excellent level of physical fitness to maintain for a short period of time. If the goblin is not showing his hand(s), then you need to keep your eye on that hand/arm and prepare to disrupt the goblin's draw. This is very important to do because it gives you the initiative. If you can pin his arm (due to your positioning), then it may be useful to do so...but the goblin gets a say in this, so be prepared to dish out some serious force to his face and neck. If you see the elbow come back (past his back/kidney), he's drawing something with that hand. Don't be afaid to kick the goblin away from you to create distance and time to deploy a weapon.

    Obviously, there's a lot more to it and text is inadequate for properly describing the techniques.

    I highly recommend you attend an AMOK! seminar with Tom Sotis (or similar). You will learn that a knife is just as deadly as a handgun and that it can be the superior weapon in close quarters fighting. This is, of course, situational, but I certainly recommend that all OC/CCW'ers carry (and train with) at least a folding knife.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    longwatch wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    I see no need for a large knife in an urban area.. Small pocket knife for cutting is all I need.

    I am not jumping on the backs of bears to hunt them with my knife... I have a gun for that!!
    Why not self defense? It may not be what you or I would choose but if someone wants to tote a KABAR or wakizashi or Kukri, I believe they have the right to bear those arms.
    Your kidding, right?

    You are the guy they talk about who brought a knife to a gun fight.
    Why is this an either or decision? - gun or knife - I have a better solution.....

    I love my Yugo SKS. When I open carry it I can bring a gun, a knife (awesome bayonet) and a grenade launcher to a gun fight! Keep your options open, thats what I say.

    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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