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    I have heard about the gun show loophole, the black powder loophole and now the newspaper loophole.

    Here is the newspaper loophole propaganda:

    http://www.gunloophole.com/

    I think it would be funny if we could put together acatalog of the gun loopholes - you know something like:

    Close the gun show loophole + the black powder loophole + the newspaper loophole + the XXXXXX loophole= close the private gun ownership loophole

    Does anybody have a digital link to any other anti 2A "Loophole" stuff? A bit of humor might go a long way in Richmond when we go to see the legislators in January.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Here is another one - the hunting license loophole.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1918888/posts
    Felons issued gun hunting licenses
    Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^| 31 oct 07 | BEN POSTON

    Posted on 10/31/2007 6:33:20 AM PDT by rellimpank

    Dozens of convicted felons in Wisconsin were issued gun deer hunting licenses in 2006 despite a state law that bans them for life from possessing firearms.
    Dozens of felons bought gun deer hunting licenses last year despite laws banning them from possessing firearms. Convicted felons are not asked to disclose their criminal history when seeking a hunting license, and the state has no tracking methods. Rep. Terry Musser (R-Black River Falls) said he will draft legislation requiring criminal background checks on firearm hunting license applicants.
    If a felon lies and marks the box stating that he or she is not a felon, it's considered making a false statement, a misdemeanor carrying a one-year jail term. But hunters are basically on the honor system, said Mark Ostermann, researcher for the Maine fisheries and wildlife department.
    "We are asking them to attest that they are not a felon, and if they lie on their application the clerk at Wal-Mart won't catch them," Ostermann said. "Does it work? A bad boy is gonna be a bad boy. Does having one more stick to beat them with encourage them to be a good boy? Maybe."
    The state, meanwhile, does not prohibit felons from buying gun hunting licenses and makes no effort to monitor if felons are purchasing them, the Journal Sentinel found.
    An analysis of records from the Wisconsin Department of Corrections and Department of Natural Resources shows that at least 77 felons bought deer licenses last year. The actual number was likely higher because only one of every five Wisconsin hunters consented to release their names when applying for a license.


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    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    The gun collector loophole.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/opinion/02wed3.html

    New York Times Editorial

    Loopholes and More Loopholes
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/opinion/02wed3.html');

    Published: May 2, 2007

    Virginia claims that it has closed a loophole that put guns in the hands of a deranged student who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech. But there’s always the next loophole to worry about when it comes to the lack of gun control in this country.

    In this case, Gov. Tim Kaine issued an executive order on Monday that would theoretically have barred Seung-Hui Cho from buying the weapons for his campus massacre. Months before, Mr. Cho had been forced by a judge to undergo psychological treatment. But because his care was as an outpatient, Mr. Cho was not on the federal list of people who are barred from buying guns for reasons of mental illness. The governor’s order ends the outpatient-inpatient distinction, but it hardly solves the basic problem of supremely porous laws that enable tens of thousands of handgun deaths year after year.

    The fact is that Mr. Cho, or any Virginian denied under the mental illness rule, could have easily satisfied his needs by turning to one of the legions of private “collectors” who sell their wares at weekend gun shows without any legal requirement to submit buyers’ names for background checks. It’s that easy and that hypocritical. The gun lobby, with its generous campaign contributions, operates as a powerful Loopholes “R” Us, and few politicians of either party have the courage to stand up to it.

    In Washington, the Democratic Congress has joined the administration in silent retreat. One hearing after Virginia Tech carefully focused on the need for mental health counselors on campus — certainly not saner gun controls. Loopholed or not, the federal law cited in the Virginia tragedy is merely voluntary, and 28 statehouses, steeped in gun lobby politics, have firmly declined to participate.

    The strongest remedy Congress dares to risk in this session would try to coax cooperation from states with cash incentives. The country would be better off if politicians worried less about the gun lobby’s cash and more about Americans’ safety.
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    The gunposession in your car loophole.

    Loopholes Could Land You in Jail for Carrying a Gun
    Posted by roboblogger Aug 14, 2007 |


    “A patchwork of state laws regarding the carrying of firearms can make criminals out of honest folks, especially those who frequently must travel the states to make a living.”

    If you're a law-abiding citizen licensed to carry a gun in your vehicle - perhaps just to keep your family safe while you're traveling - you could become a felon just by crossing the state line. via News Max
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    The D.C. Handgun loophole
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    The D.C. operable firearms loophole.
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    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    The D.C. buy back loophole !
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    How about the Cop Killer bullet loophole.
    Duct tape alert.

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/20...weapon-access/
    Yet today assault weapons remain perfectly legal to buy in gun stores and gun shows across the country, in unlimited quantities. Perhaps even more shocking, the type of bullet many assault weapons fire (7.62mm full metal jacket) can penetrate four categories of police body armor [pdf]. There is no legitimate reason the public should have this kind of access to military-style assault weapons.


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    longwatch wrote:
    How about the Cop Killer bullet loophole.
    Duct tape alert.

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/20...weapon-access/
    Yet today assault weapons remain perfectly legal to buy in gun stores and gun shows across the country, in unlimited quantities. Perhaps even more shocking, the type of bullet many assault weapons fire (7.62mm full metal jacket) can penetrate four categories of police body armor [pdf]. There is no legitimate reason the public should have this kind of access to military-style assault weapons.

    Found this under their comments section -
    note that first they say that there are "NO COMMENTS" then they say "Sorry, comment limit exceeded for this entry."

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    Close the anti-rights media loophole in the First Amendment.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    What is a 'loophole' but an euphemism for a gap in the fence around freedom. Who would try to build an ever tighter fence from freedom?

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    What is a 'loophole' but an euphemism for a gap in the fence around freedom. Who would try to build an ever tighter fence from freedom?
    Excellany analogy!
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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    What is a 'loophole' but an euphemism for a gap in the fence around freedom. Who would try to build an ever tighter fence from freedom?
    Where is the hand clapping emoticon when you need him?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    How about the "legal gun buyer" loophole?

    This is where someone can legally buy a gun.

    *sigh* :?

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    Thundar wrote:
    Doug Huffman wrote:
    What is a 'loophole' but an euphemism for a gap in the fence around freedom.Â* Who would try to build an ever tighter fence from freedom?
    Where is the hand clapping emoticon when you need him?
    http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8...lappingkc8.gif

    Bookmark that for later use.
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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Who would try to build an ever tighter fence from freedom?
    Wasn't it Robert Heinlein that wrote, perhaps in Lazarus, that the people in the world are divided into two groups, those who think everyone needs to be controlled, and those who don't feel this way?

    Those who, out oftheir own fear,feel an obsessive need to control others.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    If a few of the students at Virginia Tech had been armed (found a studet loophole) Seung-Hui Cho would have been wondering about how to pluga bullet hole.

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    irfner wrote:
    If a few of the students at Virginia Tech had been armed (found a studet loophole) Seung-Hui Cho would have been wondering about how to pluga bullet hole.
    Add an "S" to the hole - make it plural. That surely would have reduced the carnage.

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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