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    Well, instead of creating a new topic for each time and making the topic list grow,I thought I'd jump on Wynder's "OC log" bandwagonand create my own log for my experiences. (Good idea, Wynder!)

    I won't retype my first two experiences since I've already written about them in earlier topics:

    1st: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum15/5435.html

    2nd: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum15/7122.html

    Now, for my 3rd (Jan 6, 2008 around 7:00pm):

    My fiancee and I went out for dinner (before a movie) last night and I decided to OC. We went to Hollywood Grill there across from Astra Zeneca at Routes 202/141. I had my same "set up" as before: SERPA OWB holster w/ my XD-9 service out in plain sight with my jacket sort of tucked behind the holster. I was wearing my black BDU's, boots, and a gray polo shirt (tucked in). And no, I don't wear the BDU's "just because" I was OCing. I wear them to work a lot, too, and I consider them "everyday" wear just like jeans.

    I don't think anyone saw my gun as we entered the restaurant and went to our seat. Which is a good thing, because apparently this place is a favorite place to eat among theelderly. :shock:This time I ended up sitting so my gun was to the inside of the booth, so I'm pretty sure our waitress didn't notice.

    The only time anyone may have noticed is when I got up and went to the bathroom: on my way back to my seat, I walked past a few waitresses standing at their station and I think one may have looked down and saw it, but nothing was said and no one was acting wierd about it.

    The only time I know someone saw it was when we were leaving. The woman that was sitting behind my fiancee had been yapping w/ her friend the whole time, but as I was standing almost next to her on our way out, and I slowly walked past her, I heard her stop in mid-sentence. She must have pointed to it, because I noticed her friend turn around a little to look. But again, nothing was said. Not even as I was standing at the front of the restaurant paying the bill.

    So, chalk another uneventful OC experience up for me. :celebrate

    Again, I contribute my positive experiences to two things: 1. Obeying the OC laws by having the gun/holster 100% visible; and probably more importantly2. Walking/acting "normal" like OC is an every day thing.

    (And FYI: I did NOT OC into the movie theater, because I already knew Regal Cinemas prohibit firearms. And I'm glad I didn't, because there were two DSP Troopers standing inside the foyer!)

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    The worst they can do is ask you to leave. Though, I wonder what the DSP would've done... :what::what::what:

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    Yeah, that's what I'd be afraid of. Sure, Regal would have asked me to leave (after pointing to the "no guns" sign). But even before getting up to the box office, I would have had to walk right past the Troopers.The worst they could do would be arrest me.

    :what:
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    Do they have signs?

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    Wynder wrote:
    Do they have signs?
    Regal Cimema doesn't have a sign on the outside doors, but on the box office window (where you pay for your tickets), there's a list of rules/regs. On that list, in a tiny rectangle maybe 3/4" high x 3" long, there's a symbol of a handgun w/ a red circle/line through it, and text stating something like "Firearms, whether concealed or open, are prohibited."Some day I'll take a picture of it and post it on the "gun unfriendly list."
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    4th time: Jan 14, 2008 @ 9:00pm

    My fiancee wanted to go "shopping" for some snow-related things, and groceries, so we went to Home Depot and Pathmark, both on Route 13 in New Castle near the Farmer's Market and airport.

    Home Depot was pretty empty, and I didn't notice anyone noticing me carrying anything. That's good.

    Pathmark was a little busier, but I only noticed two different instances when someone saw my gun. Once was in the aisles, when two guys walking past did a double-take (but nothing was said), and then while I was putting the bags into the cart at checkout, the woman bagging next to us certainly noticed, because she sort of froze for a few seconds. She continued to bag her stuff, occasionally looking over to make sure I was STILL not doing anything w/ my gun. LOL.

    Other than a few looks (and a semi-freaked woman), it was uneventful again. :celebrate

    I had on jeans, sneakers, and my winter coat (tucked behind my holster).

    I'm certainly hoping EVERY OC experience is like this - uneventful and quiet.
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    5th time: Jan 17th @ 8:00pm

    Tonight was a great time OCing, and I wasn't alone! I met a few (4) other OCDO members at IHOP tonight! Most of us were OCing, too. It was awesome. We had good food (breakfast), good discussion,good laughs, and great comeraderie.

    I didn't hear anyone comment on us OCing, and the waitress was "cool" about it. The only person who certainly noticed was an older gentleman that walked past us when we were all standing toleave. The guy comes back out of the bathroom and sort of looks at us w/ a grin, and walks past us w/ his hands up. LMAO. What a good sport.

    Again, it was uneventfulfor the most part, andI think we all felt comfortable "advertising" that we're armed. Although, it would seem that I'm not the only one that sort of "expects" the cops to show up. So when they don't (which they haven't so far), it's all good!

    Thanks to Wynder, sellahr, stephpd, and MustagDave for a wonderful OC experience!
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    That was funny what the guy did. I overheard a waitress saying something to the effect of "They're here to make sure we don't get robbed."that was pretty cool.

    Yeah I'm up late, can't sleep.

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    MustangDave wrote:
    That was funny what the guy did. I overheard a waitress saying something to the effect of "They're here to make sure we don't get robbed."that was pretty cool.

    Yeah I'm up late, can't sleep.
    Nice! Wasn't even sure if they had noticed.

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    I have a feeling that more people notice than we realize. But nothing is said and no one freaks because, again, they probably assume we're LEO or something.

    Like my fiancee says: we don't cause a panic or draw attention to ourselves or get the cops called on usbecause of the way we carry ourselves, our attitudes, our professionalism, etc. when openly carrying firearms.
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    dave_in_delaware wrote:
    I have a feeling that more people notice than we realize. But nothing is said and no one freaks because, again, they probably assume we're LEO or something.
    I don't know... With Dave #1 wearing BDU's, Dave #2 looking 14 years old and Dave #3 having the hair down to his back... I don't know anyone who'd think we're LEO. ;p Especially with my rotund, reuban-esque shape, I'd be out of breath before chasing a bad guy a full block, hah!

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    Wynder wrote:
    I don't know... With Dave #1 wearing BDU's, Dave #2 looking 14 years old and Dave #3 having the hair down to his back... I don't know anyone who'd think we're LEO. ;p Especially with my rotund, reuban-esque shape, I'd be out of breath before chasing a bad guy a full block, hah!
    Wait a minute... Why couldn't people think we're LEO? There are always undercover officers, and investigators, and "youngins" who can infiltrate teen crack houses.... I think it's perfectly plausible that we all could be LEO in some form or another. I've seen someBIG security guards around here in stores. I've seen some hefty police officers, too. And certainly more"reuban-esque" shape than you! So, yourcomment is null and void - you're certainly NOT as "out of shape" looking as you think.I never thought "pssh, yeah. Like he'd be able to run after me and catch me" about you. BUT, I have thought that about a few "guards" in local stores. What a joke!

    Besides, have you ever watched 48 Hours?Those detectives have eaten MORE than their fair share of donuts!And they're going after murderers!
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    ROFL..

    Yeah, detectives have been on the force a long while, and they do more investigating than chasing BG's.

    I dunno, undercover's certainly wouldn't OC. Maybe Bail Enforcement Officers, I could see them being somewhat roudy. I've thought about a career shift into law inforcement, but I really couldn't take the pay cut. Meh.

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    Nevermind the paycut! How about giving me a decent enough salary IN RELATION to the possible threat to my life! Geez. For the number of times LEO's (and, say,armored car guards) put their life on the line, you'd have to pay me WAY more to make it worth it! Talk about disproportionate salary and working conditions!
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    6th time: Sunday Jan 20, 2008 around 8:00pm-11:00pm:

    My fiancee and I went to the Golden Dove (Route 13 near airport) for dinner, and to watch the Giants/Packers game (when we got there it was still only 6 to 7). We sat at the counter up front because of the TV right in front of us.

    There were a few employees who sort of "hung out" there at the front, too. We were chatting with them off and on, and watching the game. Two people (different times) sat on my holster side, two seats away, and I think they may have noticed, but nothing was said.

    One waitress (not even our's), waited about 2 hours to say something. In the middle of conversation w/ other patrons and employees (and watching the game), I hear this:

    "Are you a cop?"

    And I think OMG here we go... I replied:

    "No."

    and waited for the next question.... Nothing. She had walked away to do something else (or maybe she ran away LOL). That was it. My first questioning about my gun by "the gneral public" and nothing more than "Are you a cop?" LMAO. I'm not sure if she either 1. assumed I was some other LEO/BEO or military (or something like that), or 2. figured I didn't want to get into a list of questions where I might just keep saying "no," or 3. was happy with keeping her distance after that.

    Personally, I'm guessing it was a combination of #1 and #2, since she did come back up front near us to get drinks, etc. And, again, the owner/manager saw it and didn't even flinch, as well as some of the other waitresses and patrons. Especially since I had to go to the restroom 3x (thanks to the 4 iced teas!), and we picked out or desserts up front, too.

    So, chalk up another OC expereince as uneventful, especially the "questioning" LOL.
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    7th time: Mon Jan 21, 2008 during afternoon and early evening:

    We went to Happy Harry's there at Airport Road & 273 to pick up my fiancee's Rx. I knew this was going to be the biggest "test" place since there's always a "security guard" right inside the door. But, I decided to test it out. I looked outside near the entrance for signs.. none. I went inside, and.... NOTHING! There was no guard to be found. So, we walked back to the pharmacy, got her Rx, looked for paper for her, then at some Valentine's animals, then left. Nothing was said.

    Later we go down to BJ's Wholesale Club. Here's another place I've been hesitant about. Again, no signs after the search at the entrance. The employees right inside the doors didn't notice or say anything. We walked around the movies, cat food, medicine up front, back to the bakery, then the frozen section. Again, not one word!!!

    So, my two more "fearful" places of business for OC were also uneventful.

    I'm almost starting to feel comfortable OCing a gun. Is that good or bad? :shock:
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    As long as complacency doesn't come with being comfortable!

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    Wynder wrote:
    As long as complacency doesn't come with being comfortable!
    Oh, no no. That's not at all what I meant. I'm still aware of people being around me, I keep my arm down in front of the gun/holster, etc... I'm certainly not interested in letting my guard down, especially while carrying a loaded weapon.

    I'm just talking about not being as scared or hesitant with OC. If you recall my first post ever on OCDO, I was very hesitant about OCing in DE at all. I'm just now realizing it's not as bad as I expected... actually it's good and seemingly "accepted" so far.
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    dave_in_delaware wrote:
    Wynder wrote:
    As long as complacency doesn't come with being comfortable!
    Oh, no no. That's not at all what I meant. I'm still aware of people being around me, I keep my arm down in front of the gun/holster, etc... I'm certainly not interested in letting my guard down, especially while carrying a loaded weapon.

    I'm just talking about not being as scared or hesitant with OC. If you recall my first post ever on OCDO, I was very hesitant about OCing in DE at all. I'm just now realizing it's not as bad as I expected... actually it's good and seemingly "accepted" so far.
    The true test is when we do wind up being in the view of LEO or Security guards.

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    VERY true.
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    8th time: Jan 23, 2008 5:45pm-7:00pm

    Well, being Wednesday, I had visitation w/ my kids. I've been reluctant to OC around them in public, because I don't want them drawing attention to me (us), or making a big deal about me having a gun. BUT, tonight I decided it was time to test the OC waters w/ my kids.

    We decided to go to McDonald's on 202 (Fairfax) and eat there for dinner. I told my kids to not make a big deal about Daddy carrying a gun, and for them not to say anything. And, for the record, they did just fine. Luckily for me, I've "exposed" them to my guns before and educated them on gun safety and told them about CC/OC and what I can/can't do....

    Anyway, we get inside and go up to the counter. While asking the kids what they want and ordering it, the manager (who was at the cash register next to us) asks:

    "Who are you with?"

    to which I sort of looked at her a little blankly (since I wasn't aware she was actually talking TO me). Afer realizing she's asking me, I say:

    "Just me." (yeah, a lame answer I guess, but my kids were distracting my thoughts for a perfect answer).

    She patted her hip (in reference to my gun), and asked "No, who are you with?"

    So I said "Oh, no one. Just me."

    And she said "Oh, OK." (which wasn't an "Oh, OK?" sort of confused thing, but more of an understanding "Oh, OK." final thing. [did that make sense?]... I meant it in that I wasn't with any LE entity, group, etc. I'll admit that I should have answered it a bit more precisely, but at the same time, I don't have to explain myself, either.

    So, we sit down to eat, and have a good time. I went back up to the front twice to get ketchup (my kids seem to inhale the stuff) and more napkins. Later, after everyone was done, we all went up to the counter and ordered desserts. The same manager waited on us this time, but she didn't say anything. I almost explained to her about civilians being allowed to OC, blah blah... but she didn't seem concerned, so I didn't "offer" any aditional info or explanation.

    After dessert, we got our coats on and headed for the back door (we were sitting near it). A woman who had her son with her stopped us:

    "Excuse me, can I ask you a few questions about that" as she pointed quickly to my gun. I was like, uh oh, here we go....

    So I say "sure..."

    She asks "Are you law enforcement or military?"

    to which I reply "No, just a civilian."

    To my surprise, she starts asking questions about OC vs CC, and what's necessary to apply for a CCDW, and background checks, and etc. She even says that she thinks it's more of a deterrant to OC than it would be if I was CCing, and that she hasn't seen much OCing by civilians but wishes she did. She was just curious and I answered her questions to the best of my knowledge (which seemed to be good enough for her), and I even mentioned this site for her to check out. I also gave her the "prototype" OC business card I showed you guys at the NCC meeting. I told her about some of the reasons that I choose to OC, and she totally agreed it's about protecting yourself and your family. She thanked me very much for my time (which was only about 5 minutes), and we went on our way.

    So, this was the first time anyone wanted to "get into" anything beyond "Are you a cop?" kind of stuff. And it was a pleasant experience to inform the woman about OC. And the fact that it was a woman asking the questions kind of blew my mind. But she was very interested and seemingly curious about the whole concept.

    Who knows? Maybe she'll be OCing with us some day! :celebrate

    My only regret about the whole evening was answering the manager's original question kind of wierd. I should have been more "professional" I guess, but at the time it's what I thought was an accurate answer to what she asked....

    (And by the way, my kids did just fine w/ me OCing. The only issue was at the counter when my son bumped his head on it twce when he went to hug me. LMAO.)
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    Outstanding -- very nicely done.

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    Cool! Glad you had no issues OC.

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    9th time, Friday Jan 25th, 5:30-7:00pm, then at 9:00pm.

    Well, since I had my gun in the car in my backpack while working today (no weapons allowed at the office), I decided that, at 5:00pm, I'd put it on right away. I'm beginning to feel naked when I DON'T have it on me and I'm out and about in public. Hmmm...

    Anyway, I leave work's parking lot and head towards a client's office (for my side business) to pick up a new project. On the way, I decide that I'm going to swing by my "bank" to cash my check. It's Dexsta there on Foulk Road near 202. So, in I walk w/ my XD on my side. I double-check the signs outside the entrance to make sure I still haven't seen any. None. Good. So, I take a deep breath and walk in. Two women were inside the door at the customer service counter. They saw it (I think) because they stopped in the middle of their conversation. I said "hello" to them and walked right into line. By the time I got my check out of my wallet, the teller asked me to come up. She recognized me from me being there last week. She has a good memory I guess. She starts small talk, and mentions that she's seen me in a lot more lately. I didn't think so, but hey, it's OK. I get my money and exchange "have a good weekends" and I walk towards the door. The one customer service woman tells me "Have a good night, Sir." I say thanks and the same to her.

    Next stop is the client's office. I had already "warned" him in an email that I may be "packing" so don't freak out. But he didn't flinch when he saw my gun. He actually commented on how I tuck my jacket behind the holster so I don't conceal, asked what it was, and why I carry. I told him what it was, and about the crimes that have been happening lately which are a little too close to home for me. He nodded in agreement/acceptance. He then showed me his little .35 ancient pistol he keeps in his desk, and mentioned his mega-safe upstairs that has like 35 long guns. His office also has a few deer heads mounted on the wall, which he already told me he took w/ a muzzleloader (IIRC). So, me carrying around him was a total non-issue.

    I then hit the Wawa (Foulk & Wilson) to pick up some milk on my way home. Into the store, over to the dairy section, no problems. But while waiting at the counter to pay, I hear two women yapping away, and as they walk up behind me... sudden silence. They didn't say anything, and as I thanked the cashier for my receipt, he says "Have a good night, Sir." The women start yapping again. LOL.

    So, all in all, another uneventful OC experience. :celebrate

    Is it wrong of me to sort of laugh inside (to myself) whenever I hear people stop talking when they see my gun? I don't know. It's just funny to me to know that a simple sighting of a holstered gun will stop even the yappiest woman right in her tracks. LOL.

    And, like the saying goes: an armed society is a polite society. I'm getting more and more "Have a good day, SIR" type statements than I ever have. It's actually starting to make me feel old. Not that I need help since my hair is graying.
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    10th time: Jan 26, 12:45pm

    I had to mail a POS hard drive case that broke back to the company I got it from, so I hit FedEx there at Commons Blvd and 141. Before walking through the doors I check for signs. Nothing. So, I walk right in w/ my XD on my hip, and not one word/look from people waiting in line. Even the FedEx workers didn't seem phased at all, especially the woman. The guy actually helped me w/ my paperwork, and he didn't even flinch.

    So, once again, no issues.

    I'll be packing later tonight when I go pick up my fiancee at work (I dropped her off). We might go out to eat tonight, so I'll add to my log here if I do....

    Update: my fiancee and I went to Arby's next to the Farmer's Market for dinner. I OC'd inside and no one said a word. Plenty of "punks" saw it when I had to walk THRU them to get to the drink machine. But no comments were uttered. LOL.

    (and BTW: the Arby's"French Dip" sandwiches are weak. It's just a roast beef sandwich w/ cheese on a different bun, and lame broth for dipping (not actual au jus). Booo!!!)

    On the way home we stopped at the Pathmark right there to get some dogfood. And, like the other times I've been there, not one comment.
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