View Poll Results: Have you even been approached by a LEO while armed?

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  • Never

    32 35.16%
  • A LEO noticed my gun.

    20 21.98%
  • A LEO complemented me on my gun.

    6 6.59%
  • I was asked by a LEO if I was a cop.

    6 6.59%
  • I was asked by a LEO why I was armed.

    4 4.40%
  • I was asked by a LEO for my Identification.

    11 12.09%
  • I was disarmed by a LEO.

    5 5.49%
  • I was held at gun point by a LEO

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  • I was arrested for open carry

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Thread: Poll Question - Your LEO contact while OCing

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    Please answer honestly so I can determine what the average contact is with a LEO while you are out packing heat openly.

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    Need multiple choice for me, and there is no option for being called bad names or being told it was illegal. No called out the chopper either. :celebrate
    Seriously though about 4 of those things have happened to me.
    A LEO noticed my gun many times, say 10 or more.
    I was asked by a LEO if I was a cop. (tonys)
    I was asked by a LEO why I was armed, at Tonys and I think at Burke Lake.
    I was asked by a LEO for my Identification, at Tonys and sort of asked for it at Burke Lake but not as a demand.

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    I have had many Henrico LEO's notice my gun, but none have at this point ever approached me.

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    Pick the highest level you have experienced.



    Never =0 and Arrested = 10 for seriousness.



    Looking to get one per customer here.


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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Pick the highest level you have experienced.



    Never =0 and Arrested = 10 for seriousness.



    Looking to get one per customer here.
    Guess this wouldn't even count since I haven't OCed (in town) due to LEO attitude here in Alabama....they seem to enjoy arresting us for it.

    I had an off duty officer see my pistol in my car about 15 years ago....he made the duty officers aware of it. Next thing I know, I had a patrol car in front of me and one in back when I came out of the store where I was parked
    (friend was waiting in the car, pistol not unattended)...they just checked to make sure I had a Pistol License.
    Not a bad encounter I suppose.....no "ill will" etc.
    The only other encounter was when an officer that knew me politely pointed out that I was "printing".
    Do I get at least .5?

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    Disarmed/detained, taken out of the store, patted down, gun removed(on my birthday!) in 2005. Henrico County, Virginia

    Then other officers arrived and the original LEO returned my gun and told me I would be detained and disarmed every time an LEO noticed my gun in Henrico County.

    I filed a complaint with the the Commonwealths Attorney asking for a response and formal investigation and I filed a complaint with Internal Affairs. The officer was disciplined for multiple violations of department policy. Commonwealth's Attorney also gave advice to the department letting them know the contact with me was illegal. I alsocontacted the FBI who referred my case to an agent who specializes in LEO misbehavior - but it took them three months to do this, and by that time I had received the letter from IA saying "several of the officers actions were inappropriate and not up to the standards of the division", so I contacted the agent and told him I was satisifed and didn't need his assistance anymore. I also contacted the every one of the Board of Supervisors and received a nice letter back assuring me they supported a full, fair investigation. Col. Stanley was great in his contact with me and Philip Van Cleave, although his chief deputy lied through his teeth to bothPhilip and myself (the Col. was out of town when this first happened, so originally contact was made with his chief deputy).

    Alls well that ends well.... and never had a problem before this or since... and I have open carried in Virginia over 1,000 times.... including going to the bank in jeans at least 25 times, etc.

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    longwatch wrote:
    Need multiple choice for me, and there is no option for being called bad names or being told it was illegal. No called out the chopper either. :celebrate
    Seriously though about 4 of those things have happened to me.
    A LEO noticed my gun many times, say 10 or more.
    I was asked by a LEO if I was a cop. (tonys)
    I was asked by a LEO why I was armed, at Tonys and I think at Burke Lake.
    I was asked by a LEO for my Identification, at Tonys and sort of asked for it at Burke Lake but not as a demand.
    LEOs in general miss the entire point. Whether or not a majority of people have been arrested or even questioned is nothing but an attempt to dodge the issue. Even the incomplete list of selections in this poll are not in order of severity.

    The issue is really simple. Open carry is legal. There should be ZERO attempts to ask people for identification or to detain them at any time when nothing illegal has occurred. And it is apparent from many of these reports of the police acting improperly that it makes them every upset when someone knows the law and won't play their little game.

    Petty dictators abound.



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    I was vehicular-bicycling when a motorist took umbrage. He accosted me and I convinced him that we would be better out of the flow of traffic and at the fire station parking lot.

    Apparently when he called the 911 dispatcher to request an officer he said something to the effect that he was 'holding me pending the officers arrival.' When the officer finished chewing on the motorist and dismissed him, then I volunteered my SC CWP as I was required to do (since I was armed) had it been requested - which it was not.

    The officer was from the even smaller department that the PD I was affiliated with mutually supported.

    You decide how my personal anectode fits your (false) continuum. Two personal anecdotes do not data make - or even a hundred.

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    "Man arrested for Open Carry Thread" under the Alabama forum. Read all about it.

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    Have you even been approached by a LEO while armed?

    YES, A LEO noticed my gun. Daily.
    I OC daily since 6/05

    YES, A LEO complemented me on my gun. Thrice.
    I was OC'ing and carrying a less than ordinary gun.

    YES, I was asked by a LEO why I was armed. Once.
    Standing in line at Trader Joe's.

    YES, I was disarmed by a LEO. Twice.
    Both times, I was driving and informed LEO I was armed.

    YES,
    I was held at gun point by a LEO Once, proned out on the hot pavement.
    I wasn't OC'ing but CC'ing, and someone who didn't fit my description happened to commit a crime, LEO fingered me as the possible suspect :?, the victim read them the riot act when she say me.


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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Pick the highest level you have experienced.



    Never =0 and Arrested = 10 for seriousness.



    Looking to get one per customer here.
    Some here have accused you of trying to poll to show that the LEO community at large is not infringing upon our OC rights. You even mentioned that you would track a running average of LEO encounter severity on a 0 to 10 scale. This supports the accusation in my mind.

    It would clear things up quite a bit if you would:
    a) State the intention of the poll.
    b) What average would you consider to be atrocious? Would you say that an average of 5, indicating that about half of us had been stopped, detained, and/or forced to produce ID w/o being arrested would be acceptable? Would an average of 3 be much better?


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    I was stopped by a "LEO" as I was entering Dicks, asked if I was a LEO and told I shouldn't OC, even if it was lawful.



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    The only LEO that has ever talked to me asked... "Don't you know what concealed means?" I replied yes, but I am not required to conceal. He then thanked me for my time and we parted ways.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    I've been "noticed" numerous times.

    My vote ==> I was asked if I was LEO once.
    After answering in the negative he said "be careful, see ya later".





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    Burke Lake was interesting, but I don't know it was an entirely bad incident. It could have been worse. Been noticed but never approached by LEO's, last notice was Novembers after VCDL fellowship feed at Fudruckers.

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    ...What average would you consider to be atrocious? Would you say that an average of 5, indicating that about half of us had been stopped, detained, and/or forced to produce ID w/o being arrested would be acceptable? Would an average of 3 be much better?
    The poll options are a bit ambiguous. I assume when it says "had a LEO ask x" it means in a voluntary exchange.

    If this is the case, I think up to #5 is acceptable behavior. Between 5 & 6 should be "Unlawfully detained by LEO for questioning" - which would obviously be unacceptable.
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    Norfolk - Tall Ships 2007 - dragged off as if I were public enemy number one.

    Wife was nearly arrested because she...was in a public park?

    As our children screamed watching their law abiding father being dragged away and their mother being threatened with arrest - an officer was sure to tell them that "this is all your parents fault, not ours."




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    Comp-tech wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Pick the highest level you have experienced.



    Never =0 and Arrested = 10 for seriousness.



    Looking to get one per customer here.
    Guess this wouldn't even count since I haven't OCed (in town) due to LEO attitude here in Alabama....they seem to enjoy arresting us for it.

    I had an off duty officer see my pistol in my car about 15 years ago....he made the duty officers aware of it. Next thing I know, I had a patrol car in front of me and one in back when I came out of the store where I was parked
    (friend was waiting in the car, pistol not unattended)...they just checked to make sure I had a Pistol License.
    Not a bad encounter I suppose.....no "ill will" etc.
    The only other encounter was when an officer that knew me politely pointed out that I was "printing".
    Do I get at least .5?
    You can vote for #2 He noticed your gun.

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    les_aker wrote:
    longwatch wrote:
    Need multiple choice for me, and there is no option for being called bad names or being told it was illegal. No called out the chopper either. :celebrate
    Seriously though about 4 of those things have happened to me.
    A LEO noticed my gun many times, say 10 or more.
    I was asked by a LEO if I was a cop. (tonys)
    I was asked by a LEO why I was armed, at Tonys and I think at Burke Lake.
    I was asked by a LEO for my Identification, at Tonys and sort of asked for it at Burke Lake but not as a demand.
    LEOs in general miss the entire point. Whether or not a majority of people have been arrested or even questioned is nothing but an attempt to dodge the issue. Even the incomplete list of selections in this poll are not in order of severity.

    The issue is really simple. Open carry is legal. There should be ZERO attempts to ask people for identification or to detain them at any time when nothing illegal has occurred. And it is apparent from many of these reports of the police acting improperly that it makes them every upset when someone knows the law and won't play their little game.

    Petty dictators abound.
    What issue is this poll dodging? This poll is to obtain information on the worstevent thatwas happened based on a limited number of questions. I guess you were expecting something more? I am trying to keep it simple.

    I am aware OC is legal. I am also aware that some LEOs do not know this and I have no control over that except to pass the word. You are preaching to the wrong person.

    Several questions that start the poll have nothing to do with an attempt to identify or detain the person.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Pick the highest level you have experienced.

    Never =0 and Arrested = 10 for seriousness...
    There are only 9 descriptions listed - enough descriptions for a run from 0 - 8.

    I have chosen mine.

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    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    ufcfanvt wrote:
    ...What average would you consider to be atrocious? Would you say that an average of 5, indicating that about half of us had been stopped, detained, and/or forced to produce ID w/o being arrested would be acceptable? Would an average of 3 be much better?
    The poll options are a bit ambiguous. I assume when it says "had a LEO ask x" it means in a voluntary exchange.

    If this is the case, I think up to #5 is acceptable behavior. Between 5 & 6 should be "Unlawfully detained by LEO for questioning" - which would obviously be unacceptable.
    Do not read into it. You should not assume anything.

    This is a simple poll question and you select the best answer as it is written. They are written in a generic manner on purpose.

    You start at the top and work your way down till you find the worst that has happened. The order of the list is how I decided for my own reasons.

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    longwatch wrote:
    Need multiple choice for me, and there is no option for being called bad names or being told it was illegal. No called out the chopper either. :celebrate
    Seriously though about 4 of those things have happened to me.
    A LEO noticed my gun many times, say 10 or more.
    I was asked by a LEO if I was a cop. (tonys)
    I was asked by a LEO why I was armed, at Tonys and I think at Burke Lake.
    I was asked by a LEO for my Identification, at Tonys and sort of asked for it at Burke Lake but not as a demand.
    Maybe we can do a multi-choice next time. I will also adda chopper just for you.

    I wanted a quick snapshot of the "worst" that has happened. Next time we can go for what happens the most.

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    Recently someone commented on this board being somewhat anti-law enforcement with the experiences you guys have had I can see why it might appear that way. I have a couple of friends that are cops and they don't do this kind of thing. I asked one about callsover man with a gun and she said she would just go there and walk around see what they are doing. A guy shopping while open carrying would result in her making contact with the store employee (if they called) and that's about it. Once she actually talked the manager of a restaurant out of posting NO GUN SIGNS , "it will just make customers think this is a bad area and your restaurant is a trouble spot."

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    You left off "asked if I had a permit for OC".

    All three of my encounters have been documented here.

    One state patrolman while coming back from the range.

    "We're just coming back from the range. We're out of ammo."
    "Oh, ok." *calls backup anyway* (Not that I mind, or blame him)

    Positive encounter.
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    The Officer Scowly Mc.Grumpypants incident. It was more humorous than he was intending I think, though.

    Neutral. Kinda positive, considering the humor value.
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    Then there was the following week...

    "Do you have a CWP?"
    "It's not concealed. "
    "Ok, just asking. As long as it's in plain sight."

    Positive encounter, I'd say. Just talking to him after we were finished with his business (handing me a yellow carbon-copy) hopefully reiterated that "everyday man" perception of OCers.
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    BB62 wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Pick the highest level you have experienced.

    Never =0 and Arrested = 10 for seriousness...
    There are only 9 descriptions listed - enough descriptions for a run from 0 - 8.

    I have chosen mine.
    Was givinga scale from 0 to 10 for demonstration purposes only.

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