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Places NOT allowed to carry

cmg266

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of all the places NOT allowed to oc or cc which is the one place you think is most important to carry. I.e schools, parks, federal buildings, etc.

MY personal opinion is I would like to carry at my campus university.

First, think of all the places you hear in the news of someone doing a school shooting, late night assaults in the parking lot of a campus, etc. There is more of a chance of you needing a weapon to defend yourself at MOST schools or universities than some convienent store.

Secondly, if im sitting in my classroom or walking through campus to class and some crazy decides to raise hell to say the least I'm suppose to what? Run for cover in an open courtyard? Put a desk behind a WOODEN DOOR? Yell at the assaliant not to come in and do harm? Were suppose to wait at least 5 min for campus police to respond when the entire VT tragedy was over in minutes?

Thirdly, if someone wants to shoot up a school would they take the time to get a CC permit, or OC in class? NO! they would just go do it, be realistic.

Four, if your a "Cho" and you decided this world is too much and you want to take as many people as you can with you are you going to pick a place where you know there might be resistance or a place where YOU KNOW laws prevent people to defend themselfs? HELLO!?!?!?

And finally, fifth, opposers say they "don't feel comforatable" sitting and learning in class while knowing people around them are armed CC or OC. My final response is when I turn on the TV and read news reports that it seems like its an average of about once a week there is a school shooting, or someone caught before it happens, robberies on campus, serious assaults on campus, my response to you students who say you dont feel comforatable at school knowing there are people carrying weapons I say to you kind sir is "I don't feel comforatable learning in a class knowing there are so many helpless and defenseless people in one place. As a matter of fact, I often find myself distracted in class thinking 'what if it happend here and now' or 'what would I do if it was to go down' (I constantly try to prepare myself for these situtations however unlikely they are to happen specifically to me) but I then realize the answer, I could do nothing."

Make a desperate lunge at the attacker with my 3-4 inch blade knife? How does that saying go? "don't bring a knife to a gun fight?" I dont know about any other students opinions on here, but I sure as hell would feel a LOT safer knowing there are armed people around me who could have possibly held V Tech to less than a handfull instead of 30+.

Everyday I go to class I feel uncomforatable constantly looking over my shoulder, call me paranoid, but here in America it seems I have every right to be. But when I walk from my car to class, sit at my desk and listen to the teacher lecture I should not have to feel like I am playing russian roulette with my life.

What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?
 

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cmg266 wrote:
And finally, fifth, opposers say they "don't feel comforatable" sitting and learning in class while knowing people around them are armed CC or OC.
My response to them would be to grow up! I vividly remember the first time I picked up a gun the owner of which had purchased for the specific purpose of shooting a BG, ie self-defense. It was like an electric shock went through me. I had to set it back down it was so uncomfortable holding it. The difference between myself and your "opposer" is that I recognized this as being emotionaly immature. The rare but when necessary need to kill someone is REALITY. Grow up and get used to it.
 

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Carry <EVERYWHERE>, don't ask, don't TELL <ANYONE, EVER>, and COVER Well.

The only place you can't is where they have Metal detectors and search everyone, every time they enter.

Yup... I practice what I preach...
 

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What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?
I would never adovate breaking the law.
It paints us as law breakers and gives others the impression we are above the law.

Some laws are just plan stupid and illegal, in my opinion.
 

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Agent19 wrote:
What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?
I would never adovate breaking the law.
It paints us as law breakers and gives others the impression we are above the law.

Some laws are just plan stupid and illegal, in my opinion.

Agreed...

There are many laws that are unnecessary, are too prohibitive, or just do not make any sense. But you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen with a firearm if you break them.

We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them.
 

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LEO 229 wrote:
Agreed...

There are many laws that are unnecessary, are too prohibitive, or just do not make any sense. But you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen with a firearm if you break them.

We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them.
If firearms are not outlawed on college property, but the college will expel you if found out you are doing so, it isn't illegal, it is just gambling your college education.

Trying to carry into a court house, not quite the best idea :D
 

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hsmith wrote:
If firearms are not outlawed on college property, but the college will expel you if found out you are doing so, it isn't illegal, it is just gambling your college education.
Which if it's not illegal sounds like it's against preemption to ban it if you're talking about a state college. I'm not sure of the principles involved for staff/students/employees that allows them to ban weapons for these people and not unaffiliated state residents. Although supposedly even though I can walk around campus the state AG's opinion is that they can ban me from walking inside a building. Makes no sense.
 

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Freeflight wrote:
Carry <EVERYWHERE>, don't ask, don't TELL <ANYONE, EVER>, and COVER Well.

The only place you can't is where they have Metal detectors and search everyone, every time they enter.

Yup... I practice what I preach...


Guys, I don't think of myself as a "Criminal" because I ignore Illegal laws.. Heck, I don't even SPEED, never drink/drive, never do drugs, fully stop at stopsigns etc.....

I really Believe that the 2nd is all the law there is .Period.

ButI will say this... Don't do as I advise... I fully know and have weighed the consequences of my choices and have made my decision.. You may not be ready,

(IE if they Catch you witha gun in classthey most likely will expel you..(Jerks):cuss:) and you will make National News as the SHEEP BAAAAAHH BAAAHHHH away about you all over the country...

Anyway...

Carry Often...
 

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hsmith wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Agreed...

There are many laws that are unnecessary, are too prohibitive, or just do not make any sense. But you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen with a firearm if you break them.

We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them.
If firearms are not outlawed on college property, but the college will expel you if found out you are doing so, it isn't illegal, it is just gambling your college education.

Trying to carry into a court house, not quite the best idea :D
Ah, Valid point!

In any case... you know the rules.. it is your gamble. :D
 

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Carry Often...

Agree!

I have just recently started OC'ing in public. While I am not at the level of OC'ing where I carry everywhere I go, I am slowly expanding that as I feel more comfortable. It can be quite overwhelming at first, but I agree that it is an "immature" response that has to be overcome. Practice will eat that away. But I appreciate those who carry the flag for the rest of us by constantly pushing the boundaries.

As with all rights granted by the consitution, someone has to test the boundaries. At the very least it reminds people of the rights they have been granted and exposes laws that have been enacted to restrict such freedoms. Apathy is the worst enemy to our rights.

I for one would like to see OC'ing allowed on campuses. Criminals will thrive where they know their victims cannot defend themselves. LEO typically, is not a protection service, it is a deterant and investigation service. I say this because LEO cannot be everywhere and few criminals will commit crimes in from of a LEO. It is up to the individual to protect theirself (and others if possible) when a crime occurs.
 

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LEO 229 wrote:
Agent19 wrote:
What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?
I would never adovate breaking the law.
It paints us as law breakers and gives others the impression we are above the law.

Some laws are just plan stupid and illegal, in my opinion.

Agreed...

There are many laws that are unnecessary, are too prohibitive, or just do not make any sense. But you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen with a firearm if you break them.

We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them.

Very True

DC
 

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DeadCenter wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Agent19 wrote:
What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?
I would never adovate breaking the law.
It paints us as law breakers and gives others the impression we are above the law.

Some laws are just plan stupid and illegal, in my opinion.

Agreed...

There are many laws that are unnecessary, are too prohibitive, or just do not make any sense. But you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen with a firearm if you break them.

We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them.

Very True

DC


I disagree with you... I hate to get real graphic here... but

Do any of you enjoy Oral Sex? (Please don't Answer...!!!:what::shock:...perverts...:p)

I make this point because IT IS ILLEGAL in Virginia!!! So based on your thinking... if you enjoy oral sex with your Wife in the privacy of your home, its against the law therefore...you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen if you break them.

http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/flux/gSpot/sexLaw.html

...And it (oral sex)is not a guaranteed right like keeping and bearing arms is...


We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them (Back atcha Leo :lol:)
Have a nice day fellow criminals...:lol:
 

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cmg266 wrote:
but I sure as hell would feel a LOT safer knowing there are armed people around me who could have possibly held V Tech to less than a handfull instead of 30+.

Makes me glad I go to Blue Ridge. CC is available there!
 

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LEO 229 wrote:
Agent19 wrote:
What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?
I would never adovate breaking the law.
It paints us as law breakers and gives others the impression we are above the law.

Some laws are just plan stupid and illegal, in my opinion.

Agreed...

There are many laws that are unnecessary, are too prohibitive, or just do not make any sense. But you cannot call yourself a law abiding citizen with a firearm if you break them.

We do not get to pick and choose the laws we want to follow. Like it or not... you are a criminal if you have been knowingly breaking them.


I don't know if the original question implied carrying illegally. Maybe the purpose of the question was to determine where he should focus his energy on for getting the law changed. After all, it might be better to push for carry in specific areas one at a time.

On that note, some would agree that it is indeed an intelligent, logical opinion that since the 2A guarantees our right to bear arms, any laws restricting that right are in fact unconstitutional. So, by carrying illegally, you're protecting yourself while accepting the fact that you may be the one to have to argue the legality of the law itself if you "get caught".

A crime is an action that violates someone else's rights. It hurts someone else, whether it be physically, financially, or emotionally. A criminal is someone who chooses to hurt someone else, knowing full well the effect of their actions. What crime is being committed when someone carries, for their own protection, in an area that is technically off-limits under arguably unconstitutional laws?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you can't argue the legality or constitutionality (is that a word? lol)of a current law unless you, yourself, have been charged with the crime associated with that law. So where does that leave us?

(Note: Like others have said, I am not advocating breaking the law. I do think this is a topic worth discussing, however. Ihave, too, had to make the decision in the past, whether it was more important to protect myself, or not risk being charged with a crime. It's sad we have to make this decision in the first place.)
 

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DreQo wrote:

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On that note, some would agree that it is indeed an intelligent, logical opinion that since the 2A guarantees our right to bear arms, any laws restricting that right are in fact unconstitutional. So, by carrying illegally, you're protecting yourself while accepting the fact that you may be the one to have to argue the legality of the law itself if you "get caught".

A crime is an action that violates someone else's rights. It hurts someone else, whether it be physically, financially, or emotionally. A criminal is someone who chooses to hurt someone else, knowing full well the effect of their actions. What crime is being committed when someone carries, for their own protection, in an area that is technically off-limits under arguably unconstitutional laws?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that you can't argue the legality or constitutionality (is that a word? lol)of a current law unless you, yourself, have been charged with the crime associated with that law. So where does that leave us?

(Note: Like others have said, I am not advocating breaking the law. I do think this is a topic worth discussing, however. Ihave, too, had to make the decision in the past, whether it was more important to protect myself, or not risk being charged with a crime. It's sad we have to make this decision in the first place.)

I would agree that you would need have true intent to commit a crime. Some people do not know they are breaking the law and made an honest mistake.

But then you have to consider.... how can this be exploited?

Any criminal could simply say "So Sorry.. I did not know" and then go someplace else and do the same crime and hope that LEO did not show up again.

As far asthe "right to bear arms..." this is in regards to the government and not the citizen infringing on those rights. The government cannot force the citizens to like firearms.

It may not "hurt" anyone if yougo out armed with a firearmbut I am sure the MMM collective would be emotionally scared for life. :DThey fear guns for their own reasons and they have the right to prohibit guns from being on property they own.

I do not agree with the state prohibiting guns in areas where the citizens are allowed to come and go unrestricted.
 

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Really wish some of you guys/gals would read and respond accordingly.
I never called anyone a criminal and never said you shouldn't do anything.


I stated "I don't advocate anyone breaking the law."

As for what the OP meant.
Quoted from "OP"
What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?


I believe the Supreme Court has cited those anti sodomy laws as unconstitutional.
You can research for yourself.


EDIT:
Now we are way off topicand I'm done.
Personally, I think this thread should have beendeleted after it was posted.


Everyone have a nice day and no hard feelings.:D
 

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Agent19 wrote:
Really wish some of you guys/gals would read and respond accordingly.
I never called any one a criminal and never said you shouldn't do anything.


I stated "I don't advocate anyone breaking the law."

As for what the OP meant.
Quoted from "OP"
What do you guys think is the most important place to carry where your forbidden by law?


I believe the Supreme Court has cited those anti sodomy laws as unconstitutional.

Agent19, I read what you said and understood. Imeant to beresponding to LEO 229...
 

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yes, I don't want to carry illegally. I'm not sure, but I think its a felony charge to carry a firearm on campus. I go to northern VA CC, annandale. I just think its BS i have to feel like I am rolling the dice with my life just by going to class. And there isn't a damn thing I can legally do about it.
 
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