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Thread: VA-ALERT on Del. Gilberts bill to prevent colleges from taking admin action re CHP holding students

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    College Carry - Delegate Gilbert nails Bradys

    See for the whole message...

    It's not there yet, so I included it here:

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    First a quick note. My analysis of Delegate Gilbert's HB 932, which
    makes it a felony if someone handles a firearm in a gross, wanton and
    culpable manner, missed a key part of the bill which makes a big
    difference in justifying the felony charge: that such behavior must
    also lead to the serious bodily injury of another with PERMANENT and
    SIGNIFICANT physical impairment, such as being paralyzed for life.
    VCDL will change its position to SUPPORT on HB 932.


    As I mentioned in yesterday's alert, Delegate Gilbert has introduced
    HB 1371, which allows CHP holders to carry on all state property where
    a person is allowed to be legally. Places where other state laws
    forbid carry, like K-12 schools and courthouses, are still off limits.

    However, the bill covers and protects the rights of students, faculty,
    staff and visitors to colleges and universities!

    The Brady Campaign decided to take Delegate Gilbert to task over HB
    1371 using lies, distortions and emotion - a bad, bad mistake. They
    just got their, er, hats handed to them in the story below.

    Kudos to for covering this important issue.


    Friday, January 11, 2008
    Bill would allow guns on campus

    Gilbert introduced similar legislation before Tech incident

    By Garren Shipley -- Daily Staff Writer

    It's a question that's been hotly debated since the Virginia Tech
    shooting in April: Should public universities be able to stop students
    with concealed handgun permits from carrying their weapons on campus?

    Now the Virginia General Assembly will take up the matter again.

    Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Woodstock, has introduced a bill that would
    prevent public colleges and universities from taking action against
    employees and students with valid permits for carrying on campus.

    Gilbert is no stranger to the debate. He introduced a similar bill in
    2006 that would have allowed permit holders at Virginia Tech and other
    public colleges to carry without fear of sanctions by the university.
    The bill died in committee.

    A spokesman for Virginia Tech lambasted the first bill, saying its
    defeat would help make "parents, students, faculty and visitors feel
    safe on our campus." A little over a year later, a crazed gunman
    killed more than 30 students and professors in the worst shooting
    rampage in U.S. history.

    Permit holders should be able to protect themselves on campus, Gilbert

    "We can never ensure, through any legislation, any law, any rule or
    any regulation that guns are not going to end up in the wrong hands,"
    he said.

    "Criminals and crazy people are always going to find a way to get
    guns. The only people who will not have deadly force at their disposal
    will be responsible citizens who want to follow the law."

    But Gilbert's bill is a bad idea and would cost lives, according to
    Brian J. Siebel, senior attorney with the Brady Campaign to Prevent
    Gun Violence.

    College students often drink heavily and sometimes use illegal drugs
    and engage in other risky behavior, Siebel said. A number of college
    students also attempt suicide.

    "If you introduce guns into that setting, you're going to wind up with
    more dead college students," he said. Nor will requiring permits to
    carry on campus keep alcohol and guns separated.

    "People who are binge drinkers can still get CCW licenses in the state
    of Virginia," he said. [PVC: NO, they CAN'T. That's one of our many

    "We're not arming anybody else with this legislation," Gilbert said.
    "All we're saying is that if you're old enough, and you're qualified
    enough and you've got a gun already, you're entitled to carry that gun
    anywhere the General Assembly says you can." [PVC: That philosophy
    matches an Virginia Attorney General's opinion that opened up Virginia
    State Parks to CHP holders some years ago.]

    Siebel apparently takes a very dim view of Virginia's adult, court-
    screened college students, Gilbert said.

    "If they're gun owners already, if they're carrying concealed already,
    and if they're drinking already — which I assume, according to the
    Brady Campaign that all our students are drunken idiots — then where
    are the instances right now of drunken students shooting up their
    apartments, or going out into the parking lot and getting into
    gunfights with people?" Gilbert asked. [PVC: Ouch! You know that
    Siebel's rear end is really smarting about now! ;-)]

    Permits can't keep bad people from carrying guns, though, Siebel said.
    It could even make it easier for tragedies like the Virginia Tech
    shooting to happen again.

    "Had Mr. Gilbert's law gone through [in 2006] and [the Virginia Tech
    shooter] had gone out and applied for a concealed carry license in
    order to bring guns legally onto campus, the state of Virginia would
    have given him a license," Siebel said.

    The Virginia Tech Review Panel's report suggests otherwise, though.

    In addition to passing a background check, Virginia's law requires
    concealed carry applicants to prove to a judge that they've had
    adequate firearms training before a permit is granted.

    Applicants also must answer questions about their mental health
    status, including questions like "Have you been involuntarily
    committed to a mental institution?"

    The Tech gunman was involuntarily committed for a short time to St.
    Albans Behavioral Mental Health Center in the years prior to his
    rampage, according to the review panel's report.

    The Brady Campaign is simply "trying to paint this as some sort of
    'Animal House gets guns' kind of scenario," Gilbert said. Besides,
    students with CCW permits already have the law on their side.

    "It's not a law that says you can't carry guns on campus," he said.
    "The only ramification for the student is that you can get kicked out
    of school if you bring a gun to class."

    The bill is HB 1371.

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    Why is this just not understandable by the general population?

    Criminals disobey laws and will take a gun anywhere they D*MN well please.

    Gun free zones make citizens targets.

    This isn't hard to get!!!

    What really gets me is that I can walk escorted around the metal detectors and go anywhere in the capital and the associated governement office buildings all while armed since I havea CHP.....but I could't attend an ECONOMICSclass at Virginia Tech.

    One of the priceless moments of going to the general assembly is NOT having to empty your pockets and being run through the metal detectors BECAUSE you have a gun on you...and watching your friends without a CHP having to empty their pockets and shuffle through in line.

    See you all the 21st!!

    Ric in Richmond

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