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College Carry - Delegate Gilbert nails Bradys
See http://www.vcdl.org for the whole message...
It's not there yet, so I included it here:
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VCDL's Gun Dealer Legal Defense Fund -- help fight Mayor Bloomberg's
scheme to cripple Virginia firearms dealers. See:
www.vcdl.org/index.html#DefenseFund
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VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings.html
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First a quick note. My analysis of Delegate Gilbert's HB 932, which
makes it a felony if someone handles a firearm in a gross, wanton and
culpable manner, missed a key part of the bill which makes a big
difference in justifying the felony charge: that such behavior must
also lead to the serious bodily injury of another with PERMANENT and
SIGNIFICANT physical impairment, such as being paralyzed for life.
VCDL will change its position to SUPPORT on HB 932.
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As I mentioned in yesterday's alert, Delegate Gilbert has introduced
HB 1371, which allows CHP holders to carry on all state property where
a person is allowed to be legally. Places where other state laws
forbid carry, like K-12 schools and courthouses, are still off limits.
However, the bill covers and protects the rights of students, faculty,
staff and visitors to colleges and universities!
The Brady Campaign decided to take Delegate Gilbert to task over HB
1371 using lies, distortions and emotion - a bad, bad mistake. They
just got their, er, hats handed to them in the story below.
Kudos to nvdaily.com for covering this important issue.
Enjoy!
http://www.nvdaily.com/stories/334076159071677.bsp
Friday, January 11, 2008
Bill would allow guns on campus
Gilbert introduced similar legislation before Tech incident
By Garren Shipley -- Daily Staff Writer
It's a question that's been hotly debated since the Virginia Tech
shooting in April: Should public universities be able to stop students
with concealed handgun permits from carrying their weapons on campus?
Now the Virginia General Assembly will take up the matter again.
Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Woodstock, has introduced a bill that would
prevent public colleges and universities from taking action against
employees and students with valid permits for carrying on campus.
Gilbert is no stranger to the debate. He introduced a similar bill in
2006 that would have allowed permit holders at Virginia Tech and other
public colleges to carry without fear of sanctions by the university.
The bill died in committee.
A spokesman for Virginia Tech lambasted the first bill, saying its
defeat would help make "parents, students, faculty and visitors feel
safe on our campus." A little over a year later, a crazed gunman
killed more than 30 students and professors in the worst shooting
rampage in U.S. history.
Permit holders should be able to protect themselves on campus, Gilbert
said.
"We can never ensure, through any legislation, any law, any rule or
any regulation that guns are not going to end up in the wrong hands,"
he said.
"Criminals and crazy people are always going to find a way to get
guns. The only people who will not have deadly force at their disposal
will be responsible citizens who want to follow the law."
But Gilbert's bill is a bad idea and would cost lives, according to
Brian J. Siebel, senior attorney with the Brady Campaign to Prevent
Gun Violence.
College students often drink heavily and sometimes use illegal drugs
and engage in other risky behavior, Siebel said. A number of college
students also attempt suicide.
"If you introduce guns into that setting, you're going to wind up with
more dead college students," he said. Nor will requiring permits to
carry on campus keep alcohol and guns separated.
"People who are binge drinkers can still get CCW licenses in the state
of Virginia," he said. [PVC: NO, they CAN'T. That's one of our many
disqualifiers.]
"We're not arming anybody else with this legislation," Gilbert said.
"All we're saying is that if you're old enough, and you're qualified
enough and you've got a gun already, you're entitled to carry that gun
anywhere the General Assembly says you can." [PVC: That philosophy
matches an Virginia Attorney General's opinion that opened up Virginia
State Parks to CHP holders some years ago.]
Siebel apparently takes a very dim view of Virginia's adult, court-
screened college students, Gilbert said.
"If they're gun owners already, if they're carrying concealed already,
and if they're drinking already — which I assume, according to the
Brady Campaign that all our students are drunken idiots — then where
are the instances right now of drunken students shooting up their
apartments, or going out into the parking lot and getting into
gunfights with people?" Gilbert asked. [PVC: Ouch! You know that
Siebel's rear end is really smarting about now! ;-)]
Permits can't keep bad people from carrying guns, though, Siebel said.
It could even make it easier for tragedies like the Virginia Tech
shooting to happen again.
"Had Mr. Gilbert's law gone through [in 2006] and [the Virginia Tech
shooter] had gone out and applied for a concealed carry license in
order to bring guns legally onto campus, the state of Virginia would
have given him a license," Siebel said.
The Virginia Tech Review Panel's report suggests otherwise, though.
In addition to passing a background check, Virginia's law requires
concealed carry applicants to prove to a judge that they've had
adequate firearms training before a permit is granted.
Applicants also must answer questions about their mental health
status, including questions like "Have you been involuntarily
committed to a mental institution?"
The Tech gunman was involuntarily committed for a short time to St.
Albans Behavioral Mental Health Center in the years prior to his
rampage, according to the review panel's report.
The Brady Campaign is simply "trying to paint this as some sort of
'Animal House gets guns' kind of scenario," Gilbert said. Besides,
students with CCW permits already have the law on their side.
"It's not a law that says you can't carry guns on campus," he said.
"The only ramification for the student is that you can get kicked out
of school if you bring a gun to class."
The bill is HB 1371.
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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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College Carry - Delegate Gilbert nails Bradys
See http://www.vcdl.org for the whole message...
It's not there yet, so I included it here:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDL's Gun Dealer Legal Defense Fund -- help fight Mayor Bloomberg's
scheme to cripple Virginia firearms dealers. See:
www.vcdl.org/index.html#DefenseFund
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VCDL's meeting schedule: http://www.vcdl.org/meetings.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
First a quick note. My analysis of Delegate Gilbert's HB 932, which
makes it a felony if someone handles a firearm in a gross, wanton and
culpable manner, missed a key part of the bill which makes a big
difference in justifying the felony charge: that such behavior must
also lead to the serious bodily injury of another with PERMANENT and
SIGNIFICANT physical impairment, such as being paralyzed for life.
VCDL will change its position to SUPPORT on HB 932.
--
As I mentioned in yesterday's alert, Delegate Gilbert has introduced
HB 1371, which allows CHP holders to carry on all state property where
a person is allowed to be legally. Places where other state laws
forbid carry, like K-12 schools and courthouses, are still off limits.
However, the bill covers and protects the rights of students, faculty,
staff and visitors to colleges and universities!
The Brady Campaign decided to take Delegate Gilbert to task over HB
1371 using lies, distortions and emotion - a bad, bad mistake. They
just got their, er, hats handed to them in the story below.
Kudos to nvdaily.com for covering this important issue.
Enjoy!
http://www.nvdaily.com/stories/334076159071677.bsp
Friday, January 11, 2008
Bill would allow guns on campus
Gilbert introduced similar legislation before Tech incident
By Garren Shipley -- Daily Staff Writer
It's a question that's been hotly debated since the Virginia Tech
shooting in April: Should public universities be able to stop students
with concealed handgun permits from carrying their weapons on campus?
Now the Virginia General Assembly will take up the matter again.
Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Woodstock, has introduced a bill that would
prevent public colleges and universities from taking action against
employees and students with valid permits for carrying on campus.
Gilbert is no stranger to the debate. He introduced a similar bill in
2006 that would have allowed permit holders at Virginia Tech and other
public colleges to carry without fear of sanctions by the university.
The bill died in committee.
A spokesman for Virginia Tech lambasted the first bill, saying its
defeat would help make "parents, students, faculty and visitors feel
safe on our campus." A little over a year later, a crazed gunman
killed more than 30 students and professors in the worst shooting
rampage in U.S. history.
Permit holders should be able to protect themselves on campus, Gilbert
said.
"We can never ensure, through any legislation, any law, any rule or
any regulation that guns are not going to end up in the wrong hands,"
he said.
"Criminals and crazy people are always going to find a way to get
guns. The only people who will not have deadly force at their disposal
will be responsible citizens who want to follow the law."
But Gilbert's bill is a bad idea and would cost lives, according to
Brian J. Siebel, senior attorney with the Brady Campaign to Prevent
Gun Violence.
College students often drink heavily and sometimes use illegal drugs
and engage in other risky behavior, Siebel said. A number of college
students also attempt suicide.
"If you introduce guns into that setting, you're going to wind up with
more dead college students," he said. Nor will requiring permits to
carry on campus keep alcohol and guns separated.
"People who are binge drinkers can still get CCW licenses in the state
of Virginia," he said. [PVC: NO, they CAN'T. That's one of our many
disqualifiers.]
"We're not arming anybody else with this legislation," Gilbert said.
"All we're saying is that if you're old enough, and you're qualified
enough and you've got a gun already, you're entitled to carry that gun
anywhere the General Assembly says you can." [PVC: That philosophy
matches an Virginia Attorney General's opinion that opened up Virginia
State Parks to CHP holders some years ago.]
Siebel apparently takes a very dim view of Virginia's adult, court-
screened college students, Gilbert said.
"If they're gun owners already, if they're carrying concealed already,
and if they're drinking already — which I assume, according to the
Brady Campaign that all our students are drunken idiots — then where
are the instances right now of drunken students shooting up their
apartments, or going out into the parking lot and getting into
gunfights with people?" Gilbert asked. [PVC: Ouch! You know that
Siebel's rear end is really smarting about now! ;-)]
Permits can't keep bad people from carrying guns, though, Siebel said.
It could even make it easier for tragedies like the Virginia Tech
shooting to happen again.
"Had Mr. Gilbert's law gone through [in 2006] and [the Virginia Tech
shooter] had gone out and applied for a concealed carry license in
order to bring guns legally onto campus, the state of Virginia would
have given him a license," Siebel said.
The Virginia Tech Review Panel's report suggests otherwise, though.
In addition to passing a background check, Virginia's law requires
concealed carry applicants to prove to a judge that they've had
adequate firearms training before a permit is granted.
Applicants also must answer questions about their mental health
status, including questions like "Have you been involuntarily
committed to a mental institution?"
The Tech gunman was involuntarily committed for a short time to St.
Albans Behavioral Mental Health Center in the years prior to his
rampage, according to the review panel's report.
The Brady Campaign is simply "trying to paint this as some sort of
'Animal House gets guns' kind of scenario," Gilbert said. Besides,
students with CCW permits already have the law on their side.
"It's not a law that says you can't carry guns on campus," he said.
"The only ramification for the student is that you can get kicked out
of school if you bring a gun to class."
The bill is HB 1371.
-------------------------------------------
*************************************************************
VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
*************************************************************