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    1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.

    2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

    3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

    4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

    5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

    6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

    7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

    8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

    9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

    10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

    11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

    12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

    13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

    14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

    15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

    16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

    17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.

    18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

    19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

    21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

    22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

    23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

    24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

    25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

    26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

    27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

    28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

    29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

    30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

    31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

    32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

    33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

    35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

    36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

    37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

    38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

    39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

    40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

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    Seen it before, but it's still good.

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    Jered wrote:
    Seen it before, but it's still good.
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    ARod wrote:
    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

    33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

    39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
    #20.) I don't know about special training, and once you get into mandating training for firearms, that is a nasty animal, I don't think training should be mandatory, however I think a responsible firearms owner should at the very least seek instruction from an authority on the subject, it doesn't even have to be formal, maybe someone you know who is knowlegable about them would be a start.

    Also, guns do make murder very very easy, but so does a knife, car, chemicals, and a lot of other things, so I do disagree with the second point completely, but again, I don't think training is necessary to be able to fire a gun, but I do think it can be helpful.

    #33.) I am all for cheap guns, well guns that everyone can afford, but not out of shoddy materials that potential have a safety risk unkown to the purchaser. Hipoint makes a quality firearm at a very reasonable price (I don't own one, but have read up on them).

    #39.) Trigger locks, although not close to as failsafe as people want you to think, can be a useful tool for those who do not have a safe, and need to store a gun. Who mandates that you need a trigger lock on your carry piece? I am not sure I understood this statement.

    Everything else was just stupid and shoots holes, no pun intended, in the anti's argument.



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    openryan wrote:
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    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

    33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

    39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
    #20.) I don't know about special training, and once you get into mandating training for firearms, that is a nasty animal, I don't think training should be mandatory, however I think a responsible firearms owner should at the very least seek instruction from an authority on the subject, it doesn't even have to be formal, maybe someone you know who is knowlegable about them would be a start.

    Also, guns do make murder very very easy, but so does a knife, car, chemicals, and a lot of other things, so I do disagree with the second point completely, but again, I don't think training is necessary to be able to fire a gun, but I do think it can be helpful.

    #33.) I am all for cheap guns, well guns that everyone can afford, but not out of shoddy materials that potential have a safety risk unkown to the purchaser. Hipoint makes a quality firearm at a very reasonable price (I don't own one, but have read up on them).

    #39.) Trigger locks, although not close to as failsafe as people want you to think, can be a useful tool for those who do not have a safe, and need to store a gun. Who mandates that you need a trigger lock on your carry piece? I am not sure I understood this statement.

    Everything else was just stupid and shoots holes, no pun intended, in the anti's argument.

    There are a number of places that mandate trigger locks for stored guns, and with new gun sales. Wash. D.C. is quite (in)famous for requiring that any assembled long gun (pistols being banned) have an installed trigger lock or other device rendering them incapable of being readily fired, while insisting that they are stillcapable of being instantaneously used for self-defense. There are anti's that would require locks on all guns everywhere, carried or stored. Of course the criminals will happily comply with this asopposed to every other law they break...

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    PavePusher wrote:
    openryan wrote:
    ARod wrote:
    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

    33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

    39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
    #20.) I don't know about special training, and once you get into mandating training for firearms, that is a nasty animal, I don't think training should be mandatory, however I think a responsible firearms owner should at the very least seek instruction from an authority on the subject, it doesn't even have to be formal, maybe someone you know who is knowlegable about them would be a start.

    Also, guns do make murder very very easy, but so does a knife, car, chemicals, and a lot of other things, so I do disagree with the second point completely, but again, I don't think training is necessary to be able to fire a gun, but I do think it can be helpful.

    #33.) I am all for cheap guns, well guns that everyone can afford, but not out of shoddy materials that potential have a safety risk unkown to the purchaser. Hipoint makes a quality firearm at a very reasonable price (I don't own one, but have read up on them).

    #39.) Trigger locks, although not close to as failsafe as people want you to think, can be a useful tool for those who do not have a safe, and need to store a gun. Who mandates that you need a trigger lock on your carry piece? I am not sure I understood this statement.

    Everything else was just stupid and shoots holes, no pun intended, in the anti's argument.

    There are a number of places that mandate trigger locks for stored guns, and with new gun sales. Wash. D.C. is quite (in)famous for requiring that any assembled long gun (pistols being banned) have an installed trigger lock or other device rendering them incapable of being readily fired, while insisting that they are stillcapable of being instantaneously used for self-defense.
    "There are a number of places that mandate trigger locks for stored guns, and with new gun sales."

    - I am well aware of this, I have no problem with it being require for sales, but the other point comes down to the definitions of a "stored gun."

    To be honest with you I am unfamiliar with the gun laws of D.C., just a very, very basic understanding of how things run out there. I am sure other parts of the country have this as well, and if this is what #39 is referring to, then I agree, it is past idiotic.

    But like I said -- what is considered a stored handgun?


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    ARod wrote: Nice!

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    I have no problem with mandated training. Offer it in place of French class throughout the public school system. Because, really, who the fk wants to speak French?

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    41. Criminals obey laws, which is why we need more to keep the guns out of their hands.

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    ARod wrote:
    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
    I mean no disrespect to LEO's but this video is an interesting example of this. Can anyone tell me where he went wrong? He skipped some very essential steps in the rules for handguns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8

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    Nitrox314 wrote:
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    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
    I mean no disrespect to LEO's but this video is an interesting example of this. Can anyone tell me where he went wrong? He skipped some very essential steps in the rules for handguns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8
    DEA moron in action. You know he sued the DEA over this video. Guess he didn't want his stupidity flashed all over the world. He failed to keep his finger off the trigger the nitwit.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    He failed to keep his finger off the trigger the nitwit.
    I wouldn't limit it to that, although that was the last in the string of mistakes.

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    uncoolperson wrote:
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    He failed to keep his finger off the trigger the nitwit.
    I wouldn't limit it to that, although that was the last in the string of mistakes.
    Yep, but the finger is the one that got him it trouble.

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    Nitrox314 wrote:
    ARod wrote:
    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
    I mean no disrespect to LEO's but this video is an interesting example of this. Can anyone tell me where he went wrong? He skipped some very essential steps in the rules for handguns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8
    I remember reading somewhere that, that video ruined is career.



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    Jered wrote:
    Nitrox314 wrote:
    ARod wrote:
    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
    I mean no disrespect to LEO's but this video is an interesting example of this. Can anyone tell me where he went wrong? He skipped some very essential steps in the rules for handguns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8
    I remember reading somewhere that, that video ruined is career.

    Yeah, ruined it because he was stupid twice. The first was shooting himself in the foot in a classroom. The second was refusing the reprimand for doing so and they canned his stupid butt. Then he tried to sue the DEA because the video got on the internet somehow. Guess maybe he was stupid times 3 because he lost that one too.

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    He quickly lost his trust with the students. As he asks for another weapon you can hear the students telling him not to touch it. The other DEA agent wouldn't even let him have it.

    He also relied on someone else to check the weapons, and assumed they were safe and empty. Negligence is how people get killed. Everytime I touch my pistol, I check to make sure it is unchambered. My P99 does not have a safety, so I never chamber unless I am dead serious about it. I carry it unchambered when I am out and about. Even though I know its unchambered, when I pull it back out of its holster at the end of the day, I drop my clip and check if its chambered.

    Might seem excentric to some, but The Marine Corps taught me well. Saftey violators were extremely punished. We used to have to sleep with our rifles with a fullmag in our sleeping bags... We learned real quick how to be safe with our Rifles.

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    openryan wrote:
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    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
    #20.) I don't know about special training, and once you get into mandating training for firearms, that is a nasty animal, I don't think training should be mandatory, however I think a responsible firearms owner should at the very least seek instruction from an authority on the subject, it doesn't even have to be formal, maybe someone you know who is knowlegable about them would be a start.

    Also, guns do make murder very very easy, but so does a knife, car, chemicals, and a lot of other things, so I do disagree with the second point completely, but again, I don't think training is necessary to be able to fire a gun, but I do think it can be helpful.
    Openryan, aRod's post is SATIRE. The comments are SUPPOSED to look stupid.

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    That moronic DEA agent was a profootball star who apparently met the 4 year degree requirement with a bachelor of coloring within the lines.

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    ChopperCopper wrote:
    That moronic DEA agent was a profootball star who apparently met the 4 year degree requirement with a bachelor of coloring within the lines.
    I wouldn't call him a "star". He was a strike replacement player who suited up for one game, but never played.


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    3fgburner wrote:
    openryan wrote:
    ARod wrote:
    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
    #20.) I don't know about special training, and once you get into mandating training for firearms, that is a nasty animal, I don't think training should be mandatory, however I think a responsible firearms owner should at the very least seek instruction from an authority on the subject, it doesn't even have to be formal, maybe someone you know who is knowlegable about them would be a start.

    Also, guns do make murder very very easy, but so does a knife, car, chemicals, and a lot of other things, so I do disagree with the second point completely, but again, I don't think training is necessary to be able to fire a gun, but I do think it can be helpful.
    Openryan, aRod's post is SATIRE. The comments are SUPPOSED to look stupid.
    Hmm -- apparantley you didn't understand what I was saying. Some of what is up there actually does have a certain amount of truth to it. I pointed out the ones that are not completely stupid.

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