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    For those who haven't already heard about it, there is a movement to remove the prohibition against firearms in national parks underway. The letter to the Secretary of the Interior from members of the US Senate can be read here:
    http://www.nraila.org/Media/PDFs/kempthorne_ltr.pdf

    and the petition is here:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/CarryNPS/petition.html .


    mods, if I missed this posted elsewhere please remove this thread




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    signed and forwarded to others to sign.
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    I've honestly never seen a petition from any online petition work... here's hoping.
    -Unrequited

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    886 Signatures Total

    Might not convince anyone, but let's get a lot more!


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    It may not but I'm sure we've all wasted the 5 seconds it took on something less meaningful at one point.

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    Over 1700 signatures as of now.

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    I agree that these usually have little if any effect for various reasons (snopes.com had a good write up as to the problems with online petitions), but I am willing to spend the time to take a shot.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Done.:P

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    I was #2406. I really hope this passes. I remember camping on Loft Mountain in Shenandoah Nat'l Park and having a bear come into the campground and proceed to climb up on a picnic table and start eating out of some guys cooler. I'm more concerned about two legged predators, but a lot of people would understand the wild animal problem more.

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    Done and hoping for the best.

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    I see Mccain signed it, maybe that says something?

    Help me understand this process. Does Kempthorne have the ability to make this happen? Or is it above his head? If memory serves me Kempthorne signed an executive order banning guns in the Capitoll Mall area.

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    I was # 2666 :celebrate. Yup the number of the BEAST:celebrate.



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    Code:
    VCDL has presented a **new** Petition for Rule Making (PRM) to the  
    Department of the Interior (DOI)!  The PRM asks for a change in the  
    National Park Service's rules which would require that each park  
    assimilate the gun laws of the state where the park is located.
    
    As you might recall, VCDL's original PRM was turned down by the DOI  
    under the flimsiest of grounds, two years after they received the PRM.
    
    The new PRM takes into account the "concerns" that the DOI had with  
    the original PRM and adds new, stronger language with additional  
    justification for the request.
    
    This effort falls on the heels of the letter that 47 US Senators sent  
    to the Department of the Interior requesting that the rules be changed
    
    to allow law-abiding citizens to carry in National Parks.
    
    The DOI is now under pressure from at least two different directions  
    to fix the National Park Service's firearm's regulations.
    
    Click here to see the PRM:
    
    http://www.vcdl.org/pdf/VCDLPRM_010408.pdf
    
    The fight continues!

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    Also check out the work that has been going on for a few years on this issue.
    http://www.bighammer.net/repealthenpsban.html

    http://www.bighammer.net/timeline.html
    VCDL Petition to lift the National Park Service's ban on self defense [/indent] On 02/06/08 the National Park Service, Intermountain region responded to the Bighammer.net FOIA to produce documents pertaining to scientists having to sign personal safety waivers to conduct scientific research in Organ Pipe National Monument. The FOIA response confirms that NPS has been requiring scientists to sign a waiver of responsibility for the scientists and assistants personal safety.

    Remember, Karen Taylor-Goodrich, speaking for NPS said that the Parks were safe.

    Cover letter & overall response.

    General permit conditions. Nothing special in this document.

    Actual scientific research permit granted by NPS for Organ Pipe Cactus NM. In it, NPS makes a condition of issuance: "The National Park Service cannot guarantte the permittee's and permittee's assistants' safety. The permittee knowingly assumes all risks, and accepts full responsibility for the safety and security of themselves and their equipment, when conducting research in any part of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument."

    Organ Pipe Cactus response to a permit application dated 02/01/08. In it, Park Superintendent Lee Baiza advises: "...border-related safety concerns continue in Organ Pipe Cactus NM... Because of these conditions, we cannot guarantee your personal safety..."

    Document from Lee Baiza and Tim Tibbits with... slightly different accountings of the personal safety waiver issue. According to Mr. Tibbits, OPCNM has been requiring personal safety waivers since 2005 and going back to 2002 there have been suspensions of permits due to safety concerns.


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    LW, thanks for making the update here. I have been absolutely swamped. In case any of you might not have seen the update documents, NPS has admitted that they condition the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument scientific research permits upon the applicant waiving their claims against NPS and the US .gov for any harm that comes to them because "NPS cannot guarantee you or your assistant's safety"....

    This is a direct contradiction to "Parks are safe places" asserted by NPS to both Congress and the petitioners.

    Get ticked off. Pick up the phone, and start calling your congressional delegation.

    Just like voting, do it early, and often. Tell them you want a commitment to repeal this ban from NPS, and a commitment from the elected one to see that it happens.

    FOLLOW UP! One phone call is not enough.

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    JB wrote:
    I see Mccain signed it, maybe that says something?

    Help me understand this process. Does Kempthorne have the ability to make this happen? Or is it above his head? If memory serves me Kempthorne signed an executive order banning guns in the Capitoll Mall area.
    He did. And it's still in place untill later this year.

    It's possible he'll go along with this petition for political reasons though.

    I signed the petition... roughly 2660 or so now.

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    The Gov has no control over some, the UN owns alot of parks, they have been after our guns for years,


    http://www.undispatch.com/archives/2...s_plot_a_1.php


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    ComSec wrote:
    The Gov has no control over some, the UN owns alot of parks, they have been after our guns for years,


    http://www.undispatch.com/archives/2...s_plot_a_1.php
    Man, those shiny blue helmets make nice targets. Oops, did I say that out loud?

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    glocknroll wrote:
    ComSec wrote:
    The Gov has no control over some, the UN owns alot of parks, they have been after our guns for years,


    http://www.undispatch.com/archives/2...s_plot_a_1.php
    Man, those shiny blue helmets make nice targets. Oops, did I say that out loud?
    glocknroll you are right on target.



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    Kempthorne is a hippocrite in the worst elitest sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He carries a GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When He was Governor of Idaho, he carried a 1911 and a back up gun!!!!!!!!!!

    Call his office and tell them you know this, and that you won't tolerate this hippocritical attitude (I can carry but you can't).

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