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    When will it end?

    Now we have a father taping a Green Bay Packer shirt on a child to make him watch football.

    What a great dad.

    And others want the state Legislature to allow 10-year-olds to go gun hunting.

    Some want to lower it to 8 years old.

    Kids are just too young to understand the responsibility for safety when using firearms.

    Sure dad, your child wants to go along in the woods, but sometimes the best parenting is to just say "no."

    Also parents, be very particular as to who cares for your children; the results can be devastating.

    JERRY Gall

    Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety, especially if it is for the 'chilldruun' (a la Joycelyn Elders, Clitoon's SG).

    Gall has the gall to wield a broad-brush criticising another parent's 'responsibility.'

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA *******

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    Age is an easy criterion to place a restriction. You are either above the limit or below the limit; it is pretty cut and dry. Maturity is not as easily defined. I believe maturity is what she is addressing in the article but is using age as being synonymous with maturity.

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    Stuff like this should be at parents discretion. Would you give a gun to a kid with down syndrome just because he meets the age?? He wouldn't understand that with rights comes responsibility and how one must respect the equal rights of others.

    Just another area of our lives where the state should but out.

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    There are many children that I would trust more with guns than with their parents and inmany cases very young children. Personally I totally disagree with the thought of leaving it up to the parents. I don't have a good alternative is but at the parent's discretion is not something I am in favor of.

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    PT111 wrote:
    There are many children that I would trust more with guns than with their parents and inmany cases very young children. Personally I totally disagree with the thought of leaving it up to the parents. I don't have a good alternative is but at the parent's discretion is not something I am in favcor of.
    I would err on the side of ignorant parents before I would cede all the decision making to the state! After all many of the bureaucrats that are making the decisions for the state are ignorant parents or just plain ignorant.


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    The only way to make children safe with weapons to teach them to be so.
    All of my children were given formal instruction at the same age that I received it - eight years old. They eventually learned to enjoy all aspects of shooting and even at that tender age of 8, where safer than most adults.

    I think that a lot of the negative thinking comes under the heading of "if it saves just one child." How about all of the children that are saved from injury because they had been instructed correctly? Do they not figure in to the computations?

    Safety comes through knowledge, not ignorance.

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    Aren't you getting a little tired of the politicians holding our kids as hostage?, I am. By that I mean every time a politician or a self interested group wants to sell it's argument they say " We must do it for our kids" or "Our children deserve it" or "It's for our kids future" or "We must protect the children" and other various statements similar to that. All ment to put us on a guilt trip.

    The anti-gunners likewise use our children for leverage. They forget that each time you point a finger at someone else you have three pointed back at yourself. All the time they are using the safety of our kids as a reason for gun control they ignore the fact that they themselves probably have a unlocked kitchen drawer full of dangerous knives or a butcher block sitting on the counter full of the same. Any of those knives reachable by any two year old that can climb on a chair. I suppose it's another of those 'Do as I say, not as I do" situations.

    In any dangerous activity safety comes with training, firearms are no different. A child that learns to use a gun correctly will not end up being a firearm statistic. Unfortunately that argument falls on the anti-gun factions deaf ears. They really aren't interested in the safety of the child. They have only one mission, get rid of guns. They will use any leverage to fullfil that mission. Even to the point of using our kids.

    I still remember when I was a young child back in the 1940's . My grandpa always kept a loaded single shot 12 gauge shotgun behind the farmhouse kitchen door. My brother and I would sit for long times, wide eyed and drooling, and just staring at that old "long tom". How we would have loved to take it and fullfil our imaginations offighting off attacking indians or grizzly bears and such. We knew though, that if we so much as touched that old gun without grandpa or dad present that it would mean a trip to the wood shed, that is after we went out and cut our own willow stick to be used for our punishment.

    One of the happiest days of my life was the Christmas morning I opened my present and gazed at a brand new Stevens single shot .22 rifle. I was nine years old. The first thing my dad did was show me how to handle it, how to shoot it and how to clean it. He drilled me endlessly on " a gun was invented to kill, once you kill something with a gun it is forever dead, once a bullet is fired no power on earth can bring it back". I spent many many wonderful hours in the woods of Northern Minnesota hunting with that rifle and my young indian buddy. I have never forgot those words of my dad. I in turn passed them on to my three daughters.

    The road to firearm safety is paved with training. It is our responsibility as parents to protect our children by training them to do dangerous things safely. Things like playing baseball, swimming, using the power mower, handling a skinning knife, building a fire, driving a car, and , yes, handling and using a firearm. Age is not a criteria. Any two year old kid that can learn to be potty trained can learn to respect a firearm. I would trust my 12 year old grandson with a firearm before I would trust some of the "mature" hunters I see in the field.

    Some of you might say "but things are different today than when you were a kid''. Things like safety, training and respect are no different today. What is different today is that parents are so caught up with making a living and their own interests that they don't take time to fullfil their training responsibilities.Instead they would rather pass that responsibility on to strangers.

    "Safety comes with training, and starts at home".



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    PT111 wrote:
    There are many children that I would trust more with guns than with their parents and inmany cases very young children. Personally I totally disagree with the thought of leaving it up to the parents. I don't have a good alternative is but at the parent's discretion is not something I am in favor of.
    If not the parents, then who else? The state? The state has shown that it can't even spend my tax money in a responsible manner, and tries to legislate away my rights. Furthermore, some people in the state would try to leave me defenseless to defend my family or punish me for defending my life, liberty, or property.

    When was the last time you thanked the state for keeping your best interests in mind?

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    "'Kids are just too young to understand the responsibility for safety when using firearms."
    Exactly! That's why we give them bicycles to roam the streets. No need for safety or responsibility on a bike!
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    Also parents, be very particular as to who cares for your children; the results can be devastating.
    And that my friends is why we homeschool our kids.

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    Ive been hunting since I was 8. I couldn't carry a gun until I was 12 with a hunter safety course. (long time ago in Minn) I moved back here and started to hunt with family and friends. They thought it was funny because I had a firearm safety patch on my hat. Opening day I had 7 rounds take down trees and bury themselves in the ground by me. They came from a cousin who seen me but still shot at deer between us. The next day we went to another area. Open for about 1/2 mile before it turned into a swamp. While they started to fight over hats and warmers I started to walk down to the swamp. About 200yrds into the walk I heard a thump and sounds like something running. I turned around here I deer was running right at me. The thump was the first round the a$$holes I was hunting with hitting the ground. I turned around and ran for a rock sticking out of the ground. I dove behind that and watched the deer run by all around it the dirt was being kicked up from bullets. They thought that was the funniest thing they ever saw. I stopped hunting with them. A friend wanted to hunt with them the next year but nobody would hunt with him. I asked why it was because it was his first time. I told him I would because I could teach him. He handles a gun like he should and hes teaching his kids the same respect I taught him. The kids of my cousins take hunter safety and 1 year with me before they go with their parents. The kids still yell at the parents for things they do. These are theparents who disagreed about everybody under 65 to take hunter safety.

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    A personal anecdote or two do not data make.

    Safety is a tyrant's tool; no one can be against safety. Be discreet (i. e. discriminatory) with whom you hunt - like, do you hunt with Hmong?

    The Second Amendment is not about hunting or selling 'gear' or safety.

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA *******

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    Why shouldn't it be up to the parents, we are the ones who are responsible for the actions of the kid. If your 10year old kid grabs your pistol that you didn't lock up, you are going to jail, not him.I was rabbit and squirrel hunting with my dad when I was around 8. Got my first 4-10 ga. when I was ten and was hunting on my own shortly thereafter. Got my first 22 when I was 12. This was all in SC back in the 70's. The only hunters safety we had was from our parents. I had all my guns in the rack in my room when I was a kid. When you grow up around weapons and are taught to respect them and how to handle and clean them at an early age, safety becomes second nature. I think many more accidents happen because of ignorance and lack of experience. Take the kid to the range, get them used to firing and cleaning. Let Teach them about the history of firearms, if you don't know much about it, learn with them. Needless to say we lived way out in the country on our own land. I have 3 sons between 9 & 16 and they have all fired all types of weapons been made familiar with them. However, I only let the 12 and 16 year old hunt rabbits and squirrels alone. Wisconsin is a nut house during gun deer season. I know who's on my 45 acres but not the adjacent lands and highpowered rifles go a long way. I know a lot of stupid adults that have less sense than my 9 year old. My only point is: that it IS the parents job already. The less the government puts their nose in my business, the better. Safety has always been the parents job and responsibility, I'm ok with that. I am not afraid of responsibility, I AM afraid of more government control. I am afraid of the Socialist winning in November, if they do we will see much more government control. I was thinking if that happens, I may gather up all the conservatives that don't have a say any more, with our guns while we still have them and move south and take over Mexico, there can't be more than a few thousand people left down there.

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    So many great stories of growing up.

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    Wisconsin correspondent, my e-mailed response bounced with a significant error code.

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    I have also been hunting since the tender age of 8 and never have I been involved inany fatalities, injuries,or negligent discharges. My father made me pass tests on hunting and firearm safety and memorize the gun safety rules before I was ever aloud to go with him.

    PT111, government is never the answer. They will never know how to raise your child better than you and to leave up those types of decisions to them is just asking for your rights to be stripped away! :shock:

    Furthermore, one thing that has not been mentioned is that we are all born with our constitutional rights. They have no age limit and the government has no business telling us when we can do stuff. I believe it is totally at the discretion of the parents to determine when their child is mature and safe enough to handle themselves in an adult manner. In the 1700's and 1800'sKids at 14 years oldused to be able to run the farm by themselvesand handle home defense issuesin the absence of their fathers.

    I would like to see our society get back to that mindset again someday.
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