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    I don't know if this is the appropriate place for this thread, but I figured it'd get the most appropriate attention here.

    I was wondering if there were any militias one could join in Virginia that weren't affiliated with any government.

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    mancel wrote:
    I don't know if this is the appropriate place for this thread, but I figured it'd get the most appropriate attention here.

    I was wondering if there were any militias one could join in Virginia that weren't affiliated with any government.
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    ... This is how you people treat new users?!!
    Ok, before you go calling me a troll you should wait and see what else I have to say. Way to scare off new users.

    I'm so furious right now I want to you out. But that's good for nothing, especially over the internet.

    I'm no troll. What the hell would a troll be asking about a militia for?! I've been reading these forums for months now, gaining knowlege as I prepare to carry this fall. Then, when I finally post a thread with a sincere question somone like you comes along.

    As a 2A supporting American citizen, concerned with the current global state, I'd like to know about militias in the state of Virginia.

    Please and thank you. Damn.

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    Ok you passed the test. Will someone please tell him where youVirginians have your secret non-governmental militia meeting now?



    Seriously...welcome to the forums. I did a goggle search and there doesn't seem to be anything really available.

    Only thing I found was http://www.constitution.org/mil/va/mil_usva.htm



    or there is the VaDF http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/and http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/Units.html



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    Thanks, cato.
    Yeah I Googled it too before coming here and I wasn't having much luck finding anything.
    Most of my year is spent down here in VA because of school so I was curious. Is anyone on here in a militia? Or is that something only the reddest of necks do that don't own computers?

    Thanks again. I'm a nice guy, really.

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    I know a guy in the VDF, after talking to him it seamed more like toy solders than any thing beneficial. Oh FYI, you can't carry!!!....doesn't say much for that organization. He was trying to get me to join and when I heard that it was a no go for me. Additionally, they fall under the control of the governor so they are part of the machine.

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    Thought you might be a youngster. The closest thing you'll find to a neighborhood militia these days is a neighborhood watch organization (exists on street signs only)or just the VaDF. Any other group is going to be ofquestionable usefulness/legality. Rather then search for the Militia of the founders (which exists in law only) get politically active and join the VCDL - good fellowship andit's useful: http://www.vcdl.org/



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    Toad wrote:
    I know a guy in the VDF, after talking to him it seamed more like toy solders than any thing beneficial. Oh FYI, you can't carry!!!....doesn't say much for that organization.
    We have the same unarmed thing out here in our State Military Reserve http://www.calguard.ca.gov/casmr/Pages/default.aspx

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    Are you able-bodied?

    Do you have a weapon?

    Yes = Welcome to the Militia !

    We don't go camping on maneuvers, or hold regular meetings. No fancy uniforms or secret handshakes. Just man up with the rest of us when it's necessary. You'll know.

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    Nelson_Muntz wrote:
    Are you able-bodied?

    Do you have a weapon?

    Yes = Welcome to the Militia !

    We don't go camping on maneuvers, or hold regular meetings. No fancy uniforms or secret handshakes. Just man up with the rest of us when it's necessary. You'll know.
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    Our meetings here are irregular?

    Beware, there are infiltrators here too. LEOs, 'John Law' and their wannabes/sycophants (butt-buddies, for you children), CQB-trained JBTs and eager petty tyrants from the Nasty Regulators Ass.

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    mancel wrote:
    ... This is how you people treat new users?!!
    Ok, before you go calling me a troll you should wait and see what else I have to say. Way to scare off new users.

    I'm so furious right now I want to you out. But that's good for nothing, especially over the internet.

    I'm no troll. What the hell would a troll be asking about a militia for?! I've been reading these forums for months now, gaining knowlege as I prepare to carry this fall. Then, when I finally post a thread with a sincere question somone like you comes along.

    As a 2A supporting American citizen, concerned with the current global state, I'd like to know about militias in the state of Virginia.

    Please and thank you. Damn.
    Wonderful. You are what, somewhere between 18 & 21 years of age, based on what you say about school and preparing to carry? That said, you probably graduated high school, which in Virginia still requires a very small amount of instruction in the subject they used to call "civics." Get ready for lesson #2 in "civics."

    The militia is composed of all able-bodied persons between certain ages - usually 17 and 45 - that the Governor calls up when all other military and paramilitary assets have been pressed into service and the problem still exists. There is no legal militia other than the one the Governor can call up for service.

    If you want to belong to a private militia, please contact your local police department's gang intelligence unit and ask them for references to the various organizations that are operating or recruiting in your locality. You may want to bring your toothbrush with you, as you will most likely spend a lot of time as the guest of your local police department after making such inquiries.

    Anybody that does not know this information, at least on the very basic level, is beyond mere ignorance. Presuming you are not thicker than a brick and in fact are smarter than a bag of hammers, you must be a troll. If you are not a troll, what I think of you is such that being called a troll would be considered a compliment.

    If what you really want to do is run around and play "war" there are milirary re-enactment groups that start from the Middle Ages and end up somewhere around the Vitenam era. They are quite serious about what they do, but manage to have a lot of fun when they do their stuff. Go look them up and watch them before you decide to join, as it will cost you a pretty penny to outfit yourself properly.

    Now convice me you are really not a troll.

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    Before you go trying to align yourself with any private "militia", Google "Blue Ridge Hunt Club". Maybe you'll think twice.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Our meetings here are irregular?

    Beware, there are infiltrators here too. LEOs, 'John Law' and their wannabes/sycophants (butt-buddies, for you children), CQB-trained JBTs and eager petty tyrants from the Nasty Regulators Ass.

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    Sorry: "JBTs"?

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    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Yes, there are those in Government that do not like militias. Look at what Pennsylvania says:

    http://www.pa-aware.org/who-are-terr...domestic-6.asp

    VCDL embers, does the picture look familiar?

    Remember, that to the Redcoats, the irregular forces they faced at Lexington and Concord were traitors andinsurrectionists. Today would patriots be called domestic terrorists?

    Government power is limited by the militia. Government works to exceed the power granted by the Constitution by criminalizing the militia and persecuting its members. Militias are not illegal, they are a good thing. Some people commit crimes and try to hide behind the militia. That is a bad thing. Sometimes the government persecutes those that are committed to the militia concept.It is often difficult totell the difference between persecuted law abiding militia members andcriminals. Those militia members that stand their ground against unjust tyrannical government persecution are called patriots.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    skidmark wrote:
    mancel wrote:
    I don't know if this is the appropriate place for this thread, but I figured it'd get the most appropriate attention here.

    I was wondering if there were any militias one could join in Virginia that weren't affiliated with any government.
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    Skid! Be nice. . .we have a guest.

    Mancel: Sorry kid, we can get a bit jumpy here. Understand that as most militias these days are:

    A) on numerous governmental watch lists for reasons both valid andnot valid due to public misconception. And

    B) Wary ofmost people, especially somebody who comes out of the blue and says theywant to join.

    Militias are mostly collective groups of people who are active in their community and not only interested in their local and federal government, but desire to keep that government honest and a servant to the people, not the other way around. Some groups (not all but most) have military experience; revere the RKBA and hold the Constitution dear, which frightens those in government as they are now made to really feel accountable and be honest and sincere in their dealings.

    But I digress. . .

    I’m sure there are more than a few “Militias” in the Virginia area. Good luck in finding a group which doesn’t have underlying tones of racial supremacy or is rabid and paranoid with government distrust. Thus is the general public perception of what a militia is today and why most honest-to-hoyle militias have gone underground for fear of being associated with this bastardization concept and unfairly targeted by federal law enforcement.

    Hence why your question was viewed with immediate suspicion. Nothing personal against you kid.


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    glocknroll wrote:
    Sorry: "JBTs"?
    I can't answer that for fear of being accused of <whiney voice>cop bashing</whiney voice>.

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    skidmark wrote:
    mancel wrote:
    ... This is how you people treat new users?!!
    Ok, before you go calling me a troll you should wait and see what else I have to say. Way to scare off new users.

    I'm so furious right now I want to you out. But that's good for nothing, especially over the internet.

    I'm no troll. What the hell would a troll be asking about a militia for?! I've been reading these forums for months now, gaining knowlege as I prepare to carry this fall. Then, when I finally post a thread with a sincere question somone like you comes along.

    As a 2A supporting American citizen, concerned with the current global state, I'd like to know about militias in the state of Virginia.

    Please and thank you. Damn.
    Wonderful.Â* You are what, somewhere between 18 & 21 years of age, based on what you say about school and preparing to carry?Â* That said, you probably graduated high school, which in Virginia still requires a very small amount of instruction in the subject they used to call "civics."Â* Get ready for lesson #2 in "civics."

    The militia is composed of all able-bodied persons between certain ages - usually 17 and 45 - that the Governor calls up when all other military and paramilitary assets have been pressed into service and the problem still exists.Â* There is no legal militia other than the one the Governor can call up for service.

    If you want to belong to a private militia, please contact your local police department's gang intelligence unit and ask them for references to the various organizations that are operating or recruiting in your locality.Â* You may want to bring your toothbrush with you, as you will most likely spend a lot of time as the guest of your local police department after making such inquiries.

    Anybody that does not know this information, at least on the very basic level, is beyond mere ignorance.Â* Presuming you are not thicker than a brick and in fact are smarter than a bag of hammers, you must be a troll.Â* If you are not a troll, what I think of you is such that being called a troll would be considered a compliment.

    If what you really want to do is run around and play "war" there are milirary re-enactment groups that start from the Middle Ages and end up somewhere around the Vitenam era.Â* They are quite serious about what they do, but manage to have a lot of fun when they do their stuff.Â* Go look them up and watch them before you decide to join, as it will cost you a pretty penny to outfit yourself properly.

    Now convice me you are really not a troll.

    skidmark

    If you'd read my post more carefully, you'd have noticed I wrote, "Most of my year is spent down here in VA because of school so I was curious." Therefore, I'm only considered a resident in VA when 'down here' for school.

    No, I don't want to play "war." What I wanted to know is if there was a group of people that got together to train for times of disaster. Personally, The Martial Law Act and the government's use of the mercenary army Blackwater in Iraq and New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina scares the nuggets out of me, among other things. I believe America is "We the People," not "we the corporations" that seem to have a significant influence on our government today. Without the liberty of the people of this nation, America might as well be any other country. As a citizen of the United States, I aim to defend our freedoms and the people that enjoy these freedoms in any way necessary.

    Live free or die.


    I don't appreciate your insults toward me. I'm not ignorant. To learn, you must ask questions and that's what I'm doing. Were you greeted in these forums on your first post the way you greeted me? I doubt it. You seem to be the only one in this thread that's accusing me of being a "troll." In this situation, you're the closest thing to a troll I can see.

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    mancel wrote:
    I figured it'd get the most appropriate attention here.
    You decide what is 'appropriate', we gave the attention that you desired. I would'a lurked and searched a bit. But then...

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    Sorry: "JBTs"?
    I can't answer that for fear of being accused of <whiney voice>cop bashing</whiney voice>.
    Sorry I'm so dense. Yes, Big Brother and his Jack Booted Thugs are watching.



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    mancel wrote:
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    No, I don't want to play "war." What I wanted to know is if there was a group of people that got together to train for times of disaster.
    In which case you have been referred to the Virginia Defense Force. If you do not like them, consider the Red cross or the Salvation Army. All three of them do what you say you want to get involved with.

    The Virginia Defense Force comes closest to the definition of a "militia" but is, as its name says, alligned with the state government. The other two are private organizations but do accept both statecand federal funding, which may or may be too much alignment for your taste. IF the Governor authorizes it, they can direct traffic, butcannot performany other "police" powers.

    Again, "the militia" is just all the able-bodied citizens of a political jurisdiction until the Governor calls them up for service. At that point they become the state's militia. There are no provisions for counties or cities to "call out the militia" The closest you can get to that is CERT http://www.vaemergency.com/citcorps/cert/index.cfm. The folks that participate in CERT work on the local level unless grouped for an area- or state-wide event. They do not wear uniforms, but do get neat vests and backpacks.

    Another option for you is the Amature Radio Emergency Services http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/pscm/sec1-ch1.html, or REACT http://www.reactintl.org/or RACES http://www.aresva.org/.

    If none of these fit your needs you could try looking stuff up on your own, now that you have refined your terms and desires to participate in something that certainly is not a "militia."

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    mancel wrote:
    I don't know if this is the appropriate place for this thread, but I figured it'd get the most appropriate attention here.

    I was wondering if there were any militias one could join in Virginia that weren't affiliated with any government.
    Attention you asked for and attention you got!

    You asked a loaded question! Paramilitary groups/non governmental militias are, if not illegal, generally subversive. Anyone asking such questions, should not be suprised at fervor of the responses. We are first responsible citizens and with a few exceptions, well enformed.

    I am willing, temporarily, to grant you immunity based on presumed inexperience.

    Please, fellow readers, do not remind me that we are the militia. That is not the interpertation that we are dealing with herein.

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    skidmark wrote:
    there are milirary re-enactment groups that start from the Middle Ages and end up somewhere around the Vitenam era.

    A few years back the FBI had the re-enactors classified as the same kind of potential threat as the boy scouts (a para-military organization). What an insult to grown re-enactors or a back handed compliment to the boy scouts!
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    Well I thank you all for your input. I'm more learned than I was before about the topic and appreciate your comments.

    By "appropriate attention" I didn't mean any or all attention. Perhaps I should have been more specific. I was hoping my question would be answered by Virginia citizens that had or have experience in a militia, hence why I put it in the Virginia forum (Not saying out of state comments aren't welcome, I appreciate all input on the matter).
    Maybe first I should have posted a thread introducing myself. ?

    For a little more clarity:
    It's illegal to get a group of men together and call it a militia? Wouldn't a militia be more effective in the event of an emergency if they had some kind of training?
    What makes a privately owned army legal?
    From this thread I get the idea that the government is keeping in check something that's supposed to keep it in check.

    Thanks again for all the info. I'll be sure to leave any loaded questions i have at home.

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