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Thread: PT-92 (Beretta 92fs clone) Vs. Glock 19

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    I've gone through both, both are comfortable, both have been proven in terms of reliability, now the hard part comes.....

    I can get a NIB PT-92 with 17 Rd. mags for 400$, or I can get a NIB Glock for about 500$, OR a slightly used, but like new PT-92 for about 350$....


    Right now I'm leaning towards a brand new PT-92, who's only real difference from the 92FS is the fact that the safety is on the frame, instead of the slide, and it has rails.....


    Thoughts...?

    As an idea, here's the difference between a 'real' beretta and the clone PT-92, keep in mind that it is indeed a clone, when Beretta sold shop, Taurus bought out the factory/equipment and started making their own...





    The frame mounted safety really appeals to me, as does the rail, which knocks the 'real' 92 out of the contest...

    So it's either the PT-92, or the Glock..... SOB!
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    Psssst....go with the Taurus. They have a lifetime warantee regardless of how many owners.

    I have a PT99 AF and I freakin love it. The only diff between mine and the PT92, is I have brazilian wood grips, adj rear sights, and no decocker. I also like the frame mounted safety; very logical.

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    i love the 92fs so i would go with the PT-92. i was also thinking about getting the PT-92 as my next gun.

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    As I understand it, Beretta didn't so much sell off their South American interests as lose them by the nationalizing of gun manufacturing by the socialist element down there. I heard that anyway, dunno.

    Strictly as a matter of personal preference, I prefer the Beretta over the Glock. The weight of the metal frame stabilizes it better when shooting, and I like being able to verify the status of the gun by external examination (safety engaged, round chambered).

    As for the Taurus clones vs. the Beretta proper, I've been carrying the Taurus clone of the Beretta 84 (.380 mid-sized frame), and I've been happy with it so far (I own the real Beretta version also). For all their charm, the Berettas are still rather expensive and the Taurus is a good alternative on this basis anyway.

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    It is very hard to beat a G19 if one is looking for an all around defense handgun. Holsters are made for 1911's, Glocks and J-frame Smiths (then the leftovers). So it's extremely easy to find a comfortable and compatible holster for you for a G19, because there are so many choices. I prefer having a single trigger pull on all of my defensive handguns so I never have to wonder, in the heat of a fight, which one I'm getting. There is a transferrable warranty on the Taurus, but from what I hear, the company is very difficult to deal with as far as warranty issues, and they take forever. Every single part in a Glock that could go wrong, is easily replaced, by the owner, with very little effort, and for the cost of a fraction of what it would be to send your PT-92 to Florida to start the process. Accessories abound for the G19,so if you're the type totinker and make things a little more to your liking, you have options. There are also 33-round G18 magsthat workinany Glock 9mm.And those are fun!!!!

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    The weight of the metal frame stabilizes it better when shooting, and I like being able to verify the status of the gun by external examination (safety engaged, round chambered).
    For some reason a lot of folks are still assuming that Glocks don't have a "loaded chamber indicator." As far as I know, all of the "3rd generation" Glocks do have the indicator. I know for sure that my G17 does. The extractor has a tab on it, and the entire extractor sticks "up" (Actually it's out to the right) slightly when a round is chambered. The tab on the outside edge of the extractor is a visual and tactile tab, and there's no mistaking whether or not it's sticking out. When the chamber is empty the tab is flush with the outside of the slide, when the chamber is loaded the tab sticks up approximately 1mm, which is actually quite noticeable when you feel the side of the slide.

    Also, you know the safety is engaged because you haven't pulled the trigger. (I'm just giving you a hard time, I know what you mean, lol)

    Btw, here is what it looks like when indicating that the chamber is loaded:


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    I got a 11 day turn around on a warranty job for my PT99. I'm not the original owner and I bought the sidearm FTF so there was no transfer of warranty. They were superfast, courteous, and the repair (sheared locking block) only cost me $9 in shipping UPS ground, and the very short downtime. Since it was repairwork, there was no need for FFL transfers either.
    My warranty experience with Taurus was exceptional. Maybe they've realized that the old business phrase "after the sale, it's the service that counts" applies in a market that is so dog-eat-dog these days.
    And just to knock any Glock snobs down a rung, I visited the Glock website; not even a mention of any warranty service.

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    And just to knock any Glock snobs down a rung, I visited the Glock website; not even a mention of any warranty service.
    Well, I certainly hope you don't think there's no warranty on them. On another note, I don't even think that website has an email address to contact them with. All that you will find are phone numbers to the distribution centers in each country in which they're located. It appears to be set up simply to give product specifications. Even so:

    1. You'll never need it. :P

    2. You recieve that information when you buy it.

    (I'm sure if you go to the store and ask they can tell you. Or even better; one could call Glock, inc. and they would tell you the specific details I'm sure)

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    Aside from point #1...heh...
    The rest of the info is whats needed for making a decision about Glock with service and warranty in that aspect. I'm sure they have a warranty (sending a mobile machine shop to NYC to fix 35000? NYPD Glocks), it would be useful to put that on the site.

    HA HA!! Glock snobs....makes me laugh!

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    I've only had one, lol. I've been eyeing the Beretta 92 for a while, although I like the stainless finish more.

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    http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_han...106/index.html

    Don't know if this would be up your alley or not. Never fired one, just thought I'd throw it out there.

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    if you get the pt-92 you can get the hi-cap mags as it can use the 92fs mags

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=hMLENHhjHE8



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    JB wrote:
    http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_han...106/index.html

    Don't know if this would be up your alley or not. Never fired one, just thought I'd throw it out there.
    Oh wow, this looks great. At that price, and with a 15+1 capacity of 9mm ammo, this very well may be one of my next handgun purchases.

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    I'm not really a fan of the Beretta 92, especially in 9mm, for certain design aspects but I would choose it over the Glock. No, this isn't an irrational hatred of Glocks, I just think the Beretta would make someone happier as a general purpose pistol. That and if need be, you could cuse police or military magazines if the SHTF.

    Go with the Taurus clone, I want one myself as a plinker. Well, after the Browning Hi Power anyway... Some things Man was meant to know, for everything else, there's John Moses Browning. - Schofield

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    Yeee HAW!!! I saw those advertised in CTD and thought they were a bit "overkill", but seeing it in action...mmmm good soup!!!

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    G20-IWB24/7 wrote:
    It is very hard to beat a G19 if one is looking for an all around defense handgun. Holsters are made for 1911's, Glocks and J-frame Smiths (then the leftovers). So it's extremely easy to find a comfortable and compatible holster for you for a G19, because there are so many choices.
    Actually, since the PT-92 is a clone of the Beretta, which is the military M9, there are a lot of OC holster choices out there, including SERPA, Safariland, Uncle Mike's, etc. etc. For CC, I know Crossbreed makes IWB holsters for the M9, probably others as well.

    The only possible problem might be the frame-mounted safety vs the slide-mounted safety on the M9.
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    As far as I'm concerned,gunsare ALWAYS loaded and should be treated as such.

    This will sound naive to some, but to me the loaded chamber indicator is just another bell / whistle...

    Was at a gun shop this weekend and all non OC/CC guns have to be checked by the person at the front door - to verify that they are unloaded.

    Guy in front of me had a pistol with one of these indicators and was told by the person checking guns: "I don't care what the indicator says, the slide must be back and the chamber needs to be inspected....".

    I'm sure there are people who swear by these indicators, but I particulary don't care for them.

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    JB wrote:
    http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_han...106/index.html

    Don't know if this would be up your alley or not. Never fired one, just thought I'd throw it out there.
    Cougars are nice, my wife and I used to own a Beretta 8000 Cougar. The only thing that we did not like about it was the heavy double action trigger pull. Ours new on sale was $400 at Cal-Ranch. $350 is a great price for a new Cougar!
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    Carolina40 wrote:
    As far as I'm concerned,gunsare ALWAYS loaded and should be treated as such.

    This will sound naive to some, but to me the loaded chamber indicator is just another bell / whistle...

    Was at a gun shop this weekend and all non OC/CC guns have to be checked by the person at the front door - to verify that they are unloaded.

    Guy in front of me had a pistol with one of these indicators and was told by the person checking guns: "I don't care what the indicator says, the slide must be back and the chamber needs to be inspected....".

    I'm sure there are people who swear by these indicators, but I particulary don't care for them.

    my $0.02
    You're right, of course. There is no substitute for proper handling. It's just a reassurance that a round really chambered when I see the red thing sticking out and that I'm not just going to dry fire if I get accosted by jerks.

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    And just as another note, a tactile indicator is highly helpful in determining whether or not the gun is loaded in the dark.

    Of course, knowing me I'd just point the gun at myself and everyone else in the room if the tactile indicator were not in the "raised" position.

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    go with the Glock 19, you'll be happier in the long run.

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    It's also better for negligently pointing at and shooting your wife.

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    Weak 9mm ---- it's comments like that which Anti's use against us.





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    Carolina40 wrote:
    Weak 9mm ---- it's comments like that which Anti's use against us.
    I'm pretty sure he is referencing a news story posted recently about a man who had a supposed AD while dry firing resulting in killing his wife.
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    Nah I was just annoyed about my thread where I got accused of being highly irresponsible. It was just the old internet sarcasm.

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