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    Considering we live in this 21st century and who knows a Democrat President [possibly the Illinois senator who argued against the Constitutional law of the 2nd Amendment or the New York Socialist Wench] may outlaw firearms illegally [To their detriment, IMHO]. Would you trade your gun for a Taser-like weapon? Or would you turn to an alternative source like coil guns or black powder? Or would simple old-fashioned melee weapons make a return? What do you think? And why are we getting presidential nominees from the most Anti-Gun states? Where is our Alaskan, Floridian, or Vermontian republitarian leaning presidential candidate?

    [I know, I know, your thinking where did he come up for the idea for this whimsical topic, and I was reading my CCH text last night and it only covers firearms, NOT tasers, martial arts weapons, law enforcement batons, etc.].

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    Would I trade------- NO

    However, I would like to have one as a alternative, less lethal, for crowd control. I can carry Mace, but not my gun in places of alcohol consumption, and having a way to control a rowdy patron as a bouncer would be advantagous.



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    Custodian wrote:
    And why are we getting presidential nominees from the most Anti-Gun states? Where is our Alaskan, Floridian, or Vermontian republitarian leaning presidential candidate?
    Ever heard of Ron Paul? The sad thing is look at how poorly he has done.


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    Well, the president doesn't make the laws (thankfully), so I don't think it's as clear-cut as President Clinton II=confiscation, even if she'd like that. Still, even if some aliens beamed all the guns off the planet, I don't see carrying a taser. That said, I'm a chemist by training, so I could probably come up with a solution, so to speak.

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    No. I have stated in my other posts my disdain for less lethal alternatives. It seems to give the excuse ofturning a confrontation that is escapable into a physical altercation. If someone acts like they want to get physical with me, I will leave. If they continue to push the issue and I fear for my safety, I will use whatever force necessary to end the situation. That being said, I carry three types of defensive weapons at all times. A gun, a knife, and a pair of steel-toed boots. No tasers. No pepper juice. No clubs.

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    Custodian wrote:
    Considering we live in this 21st century and who knows a Democrat President [possibly the Illinois senator who argued against the Constitutional law of the 2nd Amendment or the New York Socialist Wench] may outlaw firearms illegally [To their detriment, IMHO]. Would you trade your gun for a Taser-like weapon? Or would you turn to an alternative source like coil guns or black powder? Or would simple old-fashioned melee weapons make a return? What do you think? And why are we getting presidential nominees from the most Anti-Gun states? Where is our Alaskan, Floridian, or Vermontian republitarian leaning presidential candidate?

    [I know, I know, your thinking where did he come up for the idea for this whimsical topic, and I was reading my CCH text last night and it only covers firearms, NOT tasers, martial arts weapons, law enforcement batons, etc.].

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    Simple answer, no. LTL alternatives are not on my agenda. If I would get in a physical confrontation (something that hasn't happened in many years and I don't intend to have happen again) I have my body and martial arts for that. If it goes past that point, I have my pistol. I prefer to continue not needing any of the above for that purpose.
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    I wouldn't mind having a tazer but no I would not trade my gun for one.
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    No thanks, I'm happy with my Kahr.

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    Trade? No. They are torture devices and I'm not in that business.

    deepdiver wrote:
    I have my body and martial arts for that. If it goes past that point, I have my pistol.
    I used to have my body and martial arts for that too. Knees and backs and things like that get creaky after a while. Besides, just like someone on here once said, never pick a fight with an old guy. They'll just shoot you dead.

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    If they make guns illegal, then only the revolutionary freedom fighters will have guns.

    Trade, HELL NO, augment the arsenal with, sure why not.

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    As many of you know,I will not support breaking the law. But like everyone, I have a line in the sand. My line in the sand is not the same as everyone else's, but banning guns is beyond crossing it. I will carry a gun for the rest of my life, regardless of what any politician says, because it is my God-given right, and as an American citizen, it is a protected right under the constitution. I'll be the bigger man and not go to National Parks or bars, but there comes a point when I will not obey an unconstitutional law. I don't like how far we've been pushed, but I will accept the current laws and obey them. There may come a time in my life that guns are banned, and it will be a sad day, because it will be the day that I am forced by my government to be a criminal. There may come a day, like there was in New Orleans, when the police come toour doors to disarmus at gunpoint. It will also be a sad day, because it will be the day that our government has forced us to become murderers. I may not speak for all of us, but I speak for myself when I say that they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

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    Would you trade your firearm for a Taser?



    Phaser.....Yes.........Taser.......NO



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    There's one very strange thing I noticed when looking at these a while back:

    There is a taser company from which I would never purchase a taser. It is a projectile type taser with contact tasing capability as well, but it leaves ID tags all over the place when you fire it so that it can be traced back to the "owner." I guess this could be good or bad, but I wouldn't want it personally.

    http://www.galleryofguns.com/taserco...TaserDesc.aspx

    I think this will probably prevent the average person from using it when not necessary, but I also can imagine this becoming a nightmare in other circumstances. Also, it probably wont prevent the illegal use of a lost/stolen taser.

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    I like this:
    LIFETIME REPLACEMENT GUARANTEE

    If the TASER is used in self-defense, it can be deployed and left behind attached to the attacker causing incapacitation while you get to safety. When fired, the TASER will deliver a 10-second energy burst. Pull the trigger two more times and the burst is increased up to 30 seconds. During this window of opportunity you can then set down the TASER to keep the attacker incapacitated, while you escape. Send us a copy of the police report documenting the incident and we can replace your unit free of charge.

    YOUR LIFE IS WORTH MORE TO US THAN THE COST OF A TASER

    I still wouldn't choose a taser over a gun. I'm just saying that I appreciate a company that really takes care of the customer like that

    I think it speaks a great deal toward their integrity as a company. I still don't plan to get one, but I wish that more companies operated like that.

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    expvideo wrote:
    I like this:
    LIFETIME REPLACEMENT GUARANTEE

    If the TASER is used in self-defense, it can be deployed and left behind attached to the attacker causing incapacitation while you get to safety. When fired, the TASER will deliver a 10-second energy burst. Pull the trigger two more times and the burst is increased up to 30 seconds. During this window of opportunity you can then set down the TASER to keep the attacker incapacitated, while you escape. Send us a copy of the police report documenting the incident and we can replace your unit free of charge.

    YOUR LIFE IS WORTH MORE TO US THAN THE COST OF A TASER

    I still wouldn't choose a taser over a gun. I'm just saying that I appreciate a company that really takes care of the customer like that

    I think it speaks a great deal toward their integrity as a company. I still don't plan to get one, but I wish that more companies operated like that.

    I wish firearms manufacturers would send replacement/rental weapons to those of us who have to use our guns in self defense and they are still confiscated by the police.


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    expvideo wrote:
    I like this:
    LIFETIME REPLACEMENT GUARANTEE

    If the TASER is used in self-defense, it can be deployed and left behind attached to the attacker causing incapacitation while you get to safety. When fired, the TASER will deliver a 10-second energy burst. Pull the trigger two more times and the burst is increased up to 30 seconds. During this window of opportunity you can then set down the TASER to keep the attacker incapacitated, while you escape. Send us a copy of the police report documenting the incident and we can replace your unit free of charge.

    YOUR LIFE IS WORTH MORE TO US THAN THE COST OF A TASER

    I still wouldn't choose a taser over a gun. I'm just saying that I appreciate a company that really takes care of the customer like that

    I think it speaks a great deal toward their integrity as a company. I still don't plan to get one, but I wish that more companies operated like that.
    I'll agree with that. Impressive warranty.
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    I'm almost certain that this may be Davidson's offer, and not necessarily that company, although if it is that's great. I mostly provided the link because it shows the ID tags that it sprays everywhere.

    Davidson's does offer lifetime replacement warranties on firearms too. I ordered one from there, but I seem to be running into a few difficulties. It went to the retailer yesterday, and they "weren't there" according to FedEx. According to them, they were there but they didn't have a certified check, which they apparently needed. Then the person I spoke with last night said someone would get it last night and have it ready for me today. I called this morning, after noticing that it was still at the FedEx location. They said that regardless of whether it was shipped back to the store, they would have it ready for me today. I called again at about 2:30 and spoke to a manager. It is still, as of right now, indicated as sitting at FedEx in the same city. It's been there all day, and nobody has called me back to inform me about what their plan for obtaining it is yet.

    Edit: I called once more, and they said that someone relatively high up, the VP I believe, left a while ago to drop off some stuff at fed-ex, and they may be retreiving the item. The person I spoke with wasn't sure if the item would be brought back today or tomorrow though, and they weren't sure about when it will make it if it comes tomorrow, so I guess we'll see what happens.

    Edit 2: They just called back, and it has arrived at the store. Customer = satisfied.

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    Putting my above joking aside, as I have no problem with you asking the question.

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    Source: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080408/POLITICS/804080382

    Mich. bills would allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry nonlethal device.

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    How stupid are the media? The arguments against tazers in the story are identical arguments, by the same people, made about CC. A reporter or editor with a brain would point out that factoid.

    And if one has a CCW, the only reason to carry a tazer would be because the self-defense laws in his state suck and favor the BG. New York's equivalent force laws come to mind, but you can't have a tazer in NY anyway (and most people can't have a CCW). Honestly, I have only been in one situation in my life where I would have used a tazer had one been available. There have been 4 situations I would have drawn my firearm had one been available. If I have to choose one, that's a no brainer.
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    deepdiver wrote:
    How stupid are the media? The arguments against tazers in the story are identical arguments, by the same people, made about CC. A reporter or editor with a brain would point out that factoid.
    At the risk of sounding pedantic, the argument isn't quite identical, though it is very similar. I can see the risk of someone being quicker to use a Taser than they would a firearm on the basis that the Taser is supposedly "non-lethal," because, frankly, examples abound of cops doing exactly that.

    The counter-argument to that is, of course, that cops are expected to use force (up to and including lethal force) in more than self-defense, unlike private citizens. This is why 11% of police shootings result in the death of an innocent, whereas 2% of shootings by CCW holders do. The most plausible scenario, then, is that misuse of Tasers by private citizens would be markedly lower than misuse of Tasers by LEOs.

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    To answer the OP question, I would consider trading in my handgun for a Taser if a model were available that matched the other characteristics of my firearm, other than the lethality. I'm talking an ammo capacity of at least 15 shots, an effective range of at least 100 feet (not the 35 feet of the law enforcement models, let alone the piddling 15 feet of the civilian models), a a price tag of less than $999, and the availability of practice ammo at prices comparable to FMJs. I also don't need cartridges that advertise to the target what the maximum range of the weapon is by the color on the front.

    But even then, if a Taser were produced with all the firepower of my current defensive firearm, just less lethal, I still probably wouldn't trade. I'd certainly give more adding a Taser to my options (like various other posters on this thread). Right now, the police models are more effective than the "consumer" models, and cops still carry guns, right?

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    Weak 9mm wrote:
    I'm almost certain that this may be Davidson's offer, and not necessarily that company, although if it is that's great.
    It's Taser International's own guarantee, though only on their "consumer" products. Check the product page for the C2 or the X26C, click on the "Benefits" tab, and scroll all the way down.

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