Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: ? On Newly Passed Bill

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    9

    Post imported post

    Just a quick question. If the bill passes in the Senate and the law takes effect, how would we know if the restaurant allows this? Would we just conceal carry, and if someone notices and tells managment we find out that way? Or do we call ahead of time to the places we plan on going and ask what there rules are concerning this?

    I hope this passes, because I do not drink, but like to go out with family and friends that do. Being able to conceal carry would make me feel that much safer. I know open carry is allowed if permitted, but I personally feel better concealing than open carrying..... Especially around a bunch of drunks that like to talk $h!t when they see someone with a sidearm.



    Whats your thought guys / gals?



    After Thought............ Would this also be for clubs? Or just restaurants?





    Senate Bill 476 passed by a 9-4 vote. Authored by State Senator Emmett Hanger (R-24), SB476 is an important concealed carry reform bill that would allow restaurant owners to decide if lawfully concealed firearms are allowed in their establishments, provided the permit holder does not consume alcohol. Current Virginia statute allows restaurateurs to permit open carrying, but not concealed carry for lawfully permitted citizens. Please contact the following Senators and thank them for further enhancing Virginia's Right-to-Carry statute by supporting and voting for SB476:

    State Senator Roscoe Reynolds (D-20)
    (804) 698-7520; district20@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Creigh Deeds (D-25)
    (804) 698-7525; district25@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator John Edwards (D-21)
    (804) 698-7521; district21@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Ken Stolle (R-8)
    (804) 698-7508; district08@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Fred Quayle (R-13)
    (804) 698-7513; district13@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Ken Cuccinelli (R-37)
    (804) 698-7537; district37@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Mark Obenshain (R-26)
    (804) 698-7526; district26@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Ryan McDougal (R-4)
    (804) 698-7504; district04@sov.state.va.us

    State Senator Robert Hurt (R-19)
    (804) 698-7519; district19@sov.state.va.us

    Special thanks to Senators Vogel and Hanger for their leadership on these important proposals. Both SB436 and SB476 are now headed for the Senate floor for consideration. Please contact your State Senator today and strongly encourage him or her to protect your right to self-defense by supporting and voting for both SB436 and SB476 in their current forms! Contact information for your State Senator can be found by clicking here.











  2. #2
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    , Virginia, USA
    Posts
    236

    Post imported post

    If the restaurant is posted, they have provided notice. Otherwise the only way to know is to be found and addressed by a member of management.

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    The Lower End of NoVa, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    719

    Post imported post

    coltcarrier wrote:
    If the restaurant is posted, they have provided notice. Otherwise the only way to know is to be found and addressed by a member of managemen
    No need to call ahead at anytime except for a reservation. The last thing we need is no guns signs everywhere. That would make the adjustment to the law a mute point.



    DC

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Huntsville, Alabama, USA
    Posts
    255

    Post imported post

    This is the way I look at it:

    When this law takes effect and I am allowed to conceal in an establishment that serves alcohol, I don't plan on asking permission from the manager. How is it any different from carrying into anywhere else? Don't ask...don't tell.

  5. #5
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
    Posts
    1,413

    Post imported post

    soloban wrote:
    Don't ask...don't tell.
    Agreed. Concealed means concealed.

  6. #6
    Centurion
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Midlothian, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    596

    Post imported post

    soloban wrote:
    This is the way I look at it:

    When this law takes effect and I am allowed to conceal in an establishment that serves alcohol, I don't plan on asking permission from the manager. How is it any different from carrying into anywhere else? Don't ask...don't tell.
    Absolutely! No sign? Then, DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL!!!

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Shenandoah Valley, Virginia
    Posts
    3,806

    Post imported post

    Plus, I seem to recall a manager changing his mind after an exchange of
    "You can't have that in here! Put that in your car!"
    "Ok, wifey. Where would you like to eat instead?"

    Can't remember who told that story....
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Hampton, Va, ,
    Posts
    623

    Post imported post

    What sign? I didn't see no stinking sign when I cam in. I was looking at the hot hostess.
    Revelation 1911 - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Mag-bayonettes!, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,407

    Post imported post

    mobeewan wrote:
    What sign?* I didn't see no stinking sign when I cam in. I was looking at the hot hostess.
    Some have said the posting of a sign is your first notice of tresspass, meaning once you print, or accidentally flash, you could be cited right there and then without a second verbal request to leave.
    -Unrequited

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    , Virginia, USA
    Posts
    201

    Post imported post

    Something to think about....

    in VA, a "no weapons" sign carries about as much weight as a sign that says "no midriffs."

    however, another one that's commonly seen is a sign that says "no skating... violators will be prosecuted"

    I wonder if there's a difference?

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Mag-bayonettes!, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,407

    Post imported post

    savery wrote:
    Something to think about....

    in VA, a "no weapons" sign carries about as much weight as a sign that says "no midriffs."

    however, another one that's commonly seen is a sign that says "no skating... violators will be prosecuted"

    I wonder if there's a difference?
    Found the post by LEO229 where he quotes 18.2-119:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+18.2-119

    [quote]If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by such persons or by the holder of any easement or other right-of-way authorized by the instrument creating such interest to post such signs on such lands, structures, premises or portion or area thereof at a place or places where it or they may be reasonably seen,[/qoute]

    Just requoting what he wrote, I don't think it ever got resolved of what would happen to the summons once it hit a judge, but still.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/3302-2.html#p48761
    -Unrequited

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •