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    If we believe what the radio tells us, Romney is out and Huckabee is working for McCain. If this is true then your choice, if you vote in the Republican Primary is McCain or Paul.

    2A absolutist and defender of the constitution Ron Paul or gun grabber sworn enemy of the bill of rights John McCain.

    Who will you choose?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    The Constitution Party

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    Thundar wrote:
    If we believe what the radio tells us, Romney is out and Huckabee is working for McCain. If this is true then your choice, if you vote in the Republican Primary is McCain or Paul.

    2A absolutist and defender of the constitution Ron Paul or gun grabber sworn enemy of the bill of rights John McCain.

    Who will you choose?
    Unfortunately, Dr. Paul doesn't have a chance at the nomination. That doesn't leave us much does it?

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    "Unfortunately, Dr. Paul doesn't have a chance at the nomination. That doesn't leave us much does it?"



    I'll vote for him anyway, if only to let him know that he has support and encourage him to follow through as a third party candidate. It was never really about the republicrats anyway.


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    ne1 wrote:
    "Unfortunately, Dr. Paul doesn't have a chance at the nomination. That doesn't leave us much does it?"



    I'll vote for him anyway, if only to let him know that he has support and encourage him to follow through as a third party candidate. It was never really about the republicrats anyway.
    I have to vote my conscience. Therefore I cannot vote for anyone that is running BUT, Ron Paul. The republocrats are trying to force liberal rinos down our throat all the while telling us that they are conservative...********!

    At least with Hitlery or Osama we know what we're up against as bad as that may be. It beats a republocrat telling us they're on our side and then stabbing us in the back with the knife we gave them.

    And as far as Mclame telling me to calm down and get on the band wagon he can go screw himself. I won't calm down when someone is trying to screw me and telling me to sit back and take it because there's nothing I can do about it. WRONG!

    I'm voting Ron Paul. Wonder how the republocrats are going to feel when they loose because of thier own stupidity.



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    Voting Ron Paul as well.

    At the very least I want my vote to send a message that there are still people who want to see the republican party go back to being an actual conservative, constitutional based party.

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    The somewhat dubious use of your questionably clever names really takes away from your post there Kimbercarrier.

    I will hold out hope for my personal favorite candidate, Mr. Huckabee. When he doesn't get the nomination, I will cast my vote for McCain. Why? Because I'm a realist, and when it comes down to it, if you vote for anyone other than the Republican nominee, you are helping to elect a democrat. A vote for Ron Paul has, unfortunately, become a vote for the democratic nominee.

    Pride and principles be damned. There comes a time where rational choice has to take precedent over viceral emotions. I can live with myself by voting for McCain, even if he loses. If I vote for Paul, and a democrat takes the Presidency, I will forever feel as if I aided in the failure of the republican party.

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    mkl wrote:
    Voting Ron Paul as well.

    At the very least I want my vote to send a message that there are still people who want to see the republican party go back to being an actual conservative, constitutional based party.
    If that is really true, instead of wasting their votes on a fringe candidate, those people would be in the trenches of the Republican party trying to change it from within. Instead, they are trying to change it from without via guerrilla warfare.

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    mkl wrote:
    Voting Ron Paul as well.

    At the very least I want my vote to send a message that there are still people who want to see the republican party go back to being an actual conservative, constitutional based party.
    How far back would that be, in your mind? Lincoln destroyed federalism and prevented the secession of the South - then a perfectly legal alternative. Bush-41 "no new taxes", Bush-43 Patriot Act?

    For all these reasons the GOP is dead Dead DEAD.

    Vote Constitution Party.

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    mkl wrote:
    Voting Ron Paul as well.

    At the very least I want my vote to send a message that there are still people who want to see the republican party go back to being an actual conservative, constitutional based party.
    How far back would that be, in your mind?┬* Lincoln destroyed federalism and prevented the secession of the South - then a perfectly legal alternative.┬* Bush-41 "no new taxes", Bush-43 Patriot Act?

    For all these reasons the GOP is dead Dead DEAD.

    Vote Constitution Party.
    Agree with what you are saying. The GOP still has life in it with Ron Paul.

    If not for that, I'll probably vote for the libertarian candidate like I have the past several elections.

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    So much for principle.

    That's why I will not vote for the personality 'Paul'. To so confuse the principles of Republicanism and Libertrianism as to be one in one minute and the other in the next - he's just another political ***** and Paulistas his pimps.

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    The somewhat dubious use of your questionably clever names really takes away from your post there Kimbercarrier.

    I will hold out hope for my personal favorite candidate, Mr. Huckabee. When he doesn't get the nomination, I will cast my vote for McCain. Why? Because I'm a realist, and when it comes down to it, if you vote for anyone other than the Republican nominee, you are helping to elect a democrat. A vote for Ron Paul has, unfortunately, become a vote for the democratic nominee.

    Pride and principles be damned. There comes a time where rational choice has to take precedent over viceral emotions. I can live with myself by voting for McCain, even if he loses. If I vote for Paul, and a democrat takes the Presidency, I will forever feel as if I aided in the failure of the republican party.
    While I respect your right to make that decision I cannot vote for someone that does not hold my values and beliefs. I'm tired of voting for a guy that is more liberal than I like to keep out a liberal on the other side. The repubs keep running candidates that lean a little more to the left each election cycle.

    At the rate we are going how many more elections before the repubs are running someone like Hitlery? Running two liberals on either side of the fence is not a choice. Just because they have an R after thier name doesn't make them a conservative or mean they support my views.

    After all a repub socialist is no better than a democrat socialist,are they?

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    So much for principle.┬*

    That's why I will not vote for the personality 'Paul'.┬* To so confuse the principles of Republicanism and Libertrianism as to be one in one minute and the other in the next - he's just another political ***** and Paulistas his pimps.
    I have no idea what you are saying here. I am not confusing the two. I don't vote for a party, I vote for the issues. The libertarian party has the better stance on the issues at the moment, while the republican party used to. Except for Ron Paul, who has the best stance for me from any party.

    I will vote for Paul because I agree with him on more of the issues than anyone else running. Heck I agree with him more on the issues than any candidate I can remember.
    To me, Ron Paul is like Barry Goldwater without a lot of Barry's negative stances. I am hoping that Ron Paul running does to the republican party exactly what Barry did, spark a new interest in actual conservative thought.

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    Paul is an excellent supporter of the Constitution, but let's not label him a conservative. He is a self proclaimed Libertarian, and tends to lean to the left on many issues. He is very strong on the border and guns, but in the sense of national security he comes up short.If my 2ndA was the only deciding factor, he'd be my guy. I refuse to let Hillary or B Hussein Obama take the chair and ruin what's left of my country.

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    .40 Cal wrote:
    Paul is an excellent supporter of the Constitution, but let's not label him a conservative.┬* He is a self proclaimed Libertarian, and tends to lean to the left on many issues.┬* He is very strong on the border and guns, but in the sense of national security he comes up short.┬*┬*If my 2ndA was the only deciding factor, he'd be my guy.┬* I refuse to let Hillary or B Hussein Obama take the chair and ruin what's left of my country.┬*
    I disagree with what you said. I think he great on national security. I don't see him leaning left on any issues, what are you talking about?

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    He is liberal on Marijuana, he is not a pro lifer, he is against military presence in foreign territory. These are the ones off the top of my head. He is a good alternative to what the dems have put up, but he is not a conservative.

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    mkl wrote:
    I disagree with what you said. I think he great on national security. I don't see him leaning left on any issues, what are you talking about?
    He is liberal on Marijuana, he is not a pro lifer, he is against military presence in foreign territory. These are the ones off the top of my head. He is a good alternative to what the dems have put up, but he is not a conservative.
    Now, must we argue what is 'conservative'? It isn't a three legged cow and you can't be a social leftist (druggie) and be conservative. Conservatism is the best of what got us here - your mommy and daddies' conservatism - American Gothic conservatism - faith, frugality and family.

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    .40 Cal wrote:
    He is liberal on Marijuana, he is not a pro lifer, he is against military presence in foreign territory.┬* These are the ones off the top of my head.┬* He is a good alternative to what the dems have put up, but he is not a conservative.
    Well first off, he is pro-life. He has said that many times. He does not however, believe the federal government should be involved, as it is not a federal issue.

    Ahh, I guess we just have different opinions about what liberal and conservative are.

    I think it is liberal when the government gets its hands into something and decides to unconstitutionally regulate it. I think it is liberal to want to go to other countries and "save them".
    I think it is conservative to have a small government that doesn't interfere with peoples personally lives (smoking marijuana) and doesn't build empires outside of the its borders.

    So I guess the problem is just our definitions of what "liberal" is these days. These definitions are always changing (heck liberal used to mean liberalism, supporting individual freedom as the highest goal) so I can see we are just not on the same page.

    All of the things you mentioned, are what I think of as the highest goals of conservative. States rights for drugs, abortion. A strong national defense (not an invading force).

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    Now, must we argue what is 'conservative'?┬*
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    Yes. I guess we do, because I think the Neo-conservative values of today are very different from the ACTUAL conservative values of the past.

    Again, I say true conservatism is about being fiscally conservative, small government, states rights, libertarianism, strong national defense, and economically liberal (freemarket).

    You want me to believe that a government who goes around and bans what an individual puts in their body is conservative. I think that is what the current liberals are all about. They want to tell YOU what is best for you. They say guns are bad, and so you can't have them. They say that drugs are bad, and so you can't have them. They say you need to re-distribute your wealth, so you have to.

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    I'm not sure how we are building empires. I am from one of the colonies of the USA (PR), but I understand why we need to have a military presence on foreign land. We need to have our military placed strategically in order to shorten our response time to threats or attacks. It is a conservative position to be proactive when it comes to defense, it is a liberal position to wait till something happens (at which time they will go to the UN and kiss some bureaucratic ass).

    I don't have a problem with the use of marijuana, but it is a slippery slope to say that we should not regulate what we put in our bodies. Legalize weed, then heroin, then coke... if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Liberals pander to the folks who want to allow us to put whatever we want into our bodies, knowing full well that that will never happen. You would have to do away with the FDA, USDA, DEA and several other departments that regulate and control the harmful crap that is out there.

    Paul is willing to sit back and let local government regulate abortion. Does this sound like a pro lifer to you? He says no federal involvement should be required, but stops short.



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    .40 Cal wrote:
    I'm not sure how we are building empires.┬* I am from one of the colonies of the USA (PR), but I understand why we need to have a military presence on foreign land.┬* We need to have our military placed strategically in order to shorten our response time to threats or attacks.┬* It is a conservative position to be proactive when it comes to defense, it is a liberal position to wait till something happens (at which time they will go to the UN and kiss some bureaucratic ass).

    I don't have a problem with the use of marijuana, but it is a slippery slope to say that we should not regulate what we put in our bodies.┬* Legalize weed, then heroin, then coke... if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.┬* Liberals pander to the folks who want to allow us to put whatever we want into our bodies, knowing full well that that will never happen.┬* You would have to do away with the FDA, USDA, DEA and several other departments that regulate and control the harmful crap that is out there.

    Paul is willing to sit back and let local government regulate abortion.┬* Does this sound like a pro lifer to you?┬* He says no federal involvement should be required, but stops short.

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    We will just have to disagree. When we are at war with Iran as well and the country is bankrupt maybe you'll start to see why we can't just go over seas and pick fights that don't need to be fought with every country we don't agree with.

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    FWIW, I have been wrong before. Your opinion is as good as mine.

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