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Ken (puddin) beat me to Appelbee's by about 15 min. It was about 5 past 3 when I arrived. We greeted, walked inside, comiserated for a moment, then decided we'd wait outside for a little bit to see if anyone else showed.
We sat outside on the bench (nice day actually...didn't even want a jacket) and 'shop-talked' for a while until Nathan showed up. Another round of greetings and went inside. The hostess asked if we wanted booth or bar. We chuckled.."booth".
We were seated, and our drink orders weare taken. Nathan and I chose Black Butte , Puddin went for the lemonade. Our drinks arrived, we talked abit, then placed our food orders. A few minutes later, Grishnav showed and joined us, and ordered a Black Butte (and a cheeseburger?) for himself.
Shortly thereafter a gentleman came up and actually SQUATTED next to the table. (Here we go). He asked Grishnav if he was a police officer. Upon discovering that eh wasn't he was informed that he couldn't have the gun in the building due to state law, and requested that he take it out to his car. We attempted to correct the mistinterpretation law, but he was having none of it. He claimed that they coulden't be present in an esablishemnt that served alchohol, and that he couldn't serve grishnav his Black Butte untill the gun was gone. He was informed that he could take the gun out to the car or leave....so we all stood up.
The man fell all over himself saying "I'm not asking (the rest of) YOU to leave..."
We corrected him. "Oh but you are.. you see... we're ALL carring side arms." He wasn't so accomodating after that. (my memory of details gets a bit fuzzy at this point) He claimed it was company policy. (we seemed to recall otherwise, but never mentioned it). Then he tried to claim that RCW 9.41.300 covered the ENTIRE building, not JUST the 'bar area'. We trid to correct him but he refused to listen, and even tried tog et us to follow him into the bar area to show use 'the law' ( a plain language summary of RCW9.41.300 with cite). We tried valiantly to inform him that we were prohibited from following him down the ramp, but again he wouldn't listen and kept telling us that if we wanted to read 'the law' the prohibited gus in teh building we would have to come down to him. We noticed there was another ramp to the siode that would allow us a vantage piont to read 'the law' that would allow us to remain outside of the restricted area.
Upon reading the notice he was invoking I was able to determine that the language was QUITE CLEAR that RCW 9.41.300 (which it was citing) restriced carying in ONLY that PORTION of the premises that was off-limits to minors. I tried to bring up the point, but was shut down. It became clear at that point that he didn't care about the law or company policy....he was advancing a personal agenda. We paid for our (unfinished!!!) drinks and left. Thinking back on it we probbably shouldn't have as a matter of principle. On the upside, out food had JUST come up as we were leaving... so they had to eat that loss.
As a fall back, there was a pizza joint acrioss the street that we decided to try. We left out cars in Applebee's parking lot and took the crosswalk. I noticed at least one guy in a truck waiting at the light do a double, triple, quadruple... hell he was just eyballing us the whole time! Lunch at the pizza joint was wholly uneventful. We were lucky in that they also carried Black Butte, so we ordered up again, and killed about an hour or so 'shop talking' carry laws, stories, and some interesting Terry/ID requirements.
After the lunch, puddin had to take off, and the rest of us decided to rally across the freeway at Winco (the particular store or Nathan's encounter as a matter of fact) since I had some shopping to do. Grishnav and I went in together thinking that Nathan had beat us inside. after getting some apples, a 12 pack of Widmere, and kicked out because of my gun by the same guy Nathan had a run-in with, we found out that he'd been waiting at the front door for us thinking that we were behind him.
The guy who booted us stated that it was company policy (funny how that's always the catch phrase they use), but even though I aquiesed to his request to leave, he flatly refused (quite gruffly) to provide me with a copy of said policy, and told me to leave. Oddly enough, he never said a word (or even gave a second look at) Grishnav, despite the fact that he had to walk AROUND him from his strong side in order to confront me. As it is i just left my cart (with a whopping two items in it) ane walked out.
I guess it's time to do some research into the corporate policies of Winco and Applebee's.:?
Ken (puddin) beat me to Appelbee's by about 15 min. It was about 5 past 3 when I arrived. We greeted, walked inside, comiserated for a moment, then decided we'd wait outside for a little bit to see if anyone else showed.
We sat outside on the bench (nice day actually...didn't even want a jacket) and 'shop-talked' for a while until Nathan showed up. Another round of greetings and went inside. The hostess asked if we wanted booth or bar. We chuckled.."booth".
We were seated, and our drink orders weare taken. Nathan and I chose Black Butte , Puddin went for the lemonade. Our drinks arrived, we talked abit, then placed our food orders. A few minutes later, Grishnav showed and joined us, and ordered a Black Butte (and a cheeseburger?) for himself.
Shortly thereafter a gentleman came up and actually SQUATTED next to the table. (Here we go). He asked Grishnav if he was a police officer. Upon discovering that eh wasn't he was informed that he couldn't have the gun in the building due to state law, and requested that he take it out to his car. We attempted to correct the mistinterpretation law, but he was having none of it. He claimed that they coulden't be present in an esablishemnt that served alchohol, and that he couldn't serve grishnav his Black Butte untill the gun was gone. He was informed that he could take the gun out to the car or leave....so we all stood up.
The man fell all over himself saying "I'm not asking (the rest of) YOU to leave..."
We corrected him. "Oh but you are.. you see... we're ALL carring side arms." He wasn't so accomodating after that. (my memory of details gets a bit fuzzy at this point) He claimed it was company policy. (we seemed to recall otherwise, but never mentioned it). Then he tried to claim that RCW 9.41.300 covered the ENTIRE building, not JUST the 'bar area'. We trid to correct him but he refused to listen, and even tried tog et us to follow him into the bar area to show use 'the law' ( a plain language summary of RCW9.41.300 with cite). We tried valiantly to inform him that we were prohibited from following him down the ramp, but again he wouldn't listen and kept telling us that if we wanted to read 'the law' the prohibited gus in teh building we would have to come down to him. We noticed there was another ramp to the siode that would allow us a vantage piont to read 'the law' that would allow us to remain outside of the restricted area.
Upon reading the notice he was invoking I was able to determine that the language was QUITE CLEAR that RCW 9.41.300 (which it was citing) restriced carying in ONLY that PORTION of the premises that was off-limits to minors. I tried to bring up the point, but was shut down. It became clear at that point that he didn't care about the law or company policy....he was advancing a personal agenda. We paid for our (unfinished!!!) drinks and left. Thinking back on it we probbably shouldn't have as a matter of principle. On the upside, out food had JUST come up as we were leaving... so they had to eat that loss.
As a fall back, there was a pizza joint acrioss the street that we decided to try. We left out cars in Applebee's parking lot and took the crosswalk. I noticed at least one guy in a truck waiting at the light do a double, triple, quadruple... hell he was just eyballing us the whole time! Lunch at the pizza joint was wholly uneventful. We were lucky in that they also carried Black Butte, so we ordered up again, and killed about an hour or so 'shop talking' carry laws, stories, and some interesting Terry/ID requirements.
After the lunch, puddin had to take off, and the rest of us decided to rally across the freeway at Winco (the particular store or Nathan's encounter as a matter of fact) since I had some shopping to do. Grishnav and I went in together thinking that Nathan had beat us inside. after getting some apples, a 12 pack of Widmere, and kicked out because of my gun by the same guy Nathan had a run-in with, we found out that he'd been waiting at the front door for us thinking that we were behind him.
The guy who booted us stated that it was company policy (funny how that's always the catch phrase they use), but even though I aquiesed to his request to leave, he flatly refused (quite gruffly) to provide me with a copy of said policy, and told me to leave. Oddly enough, he never said a word (or even gave a second look at) Grishnav, despite the fact that he had to walk AROUND him from his strong side in order to confront me. As it is i just left my cart (with a whopping two items in it) ane walked out.
I guess it's time to do some research into the corporate policies of Winco and Applebee's.:?