ScorpioMk
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So tonight was a stupid night. Some of my friends are in a band and they were playing a show at The Showbox and I wanted to go. I planned on going into the bar (all my friends parents would be hanging out in there) so I locked my gun in my truck and went to the main entrance. I was standing outside smoking as I scanned the building for signs, I noticed the normal window sign on the bar door about firearms but no other signs. I decided to ask the bouncer working the door (no names from anyone) what the firearms policy was in the building for shits and giggles. I was told its illegal to carry anywhere inside because there was alcohol being served, and I told him that was incorrect its only in areas off-limits to those under 21. "No you're wrong, try going to Claim Jumpers and asking the manager if you can carry in the resturaunt, there gonna tell you no take your gun and kick your ass out." I think this is where he asked me if I was carrying a gun right now, I told him no and let him see my empty holster. "I was in the military for 5 years carrying I think I would know the law, whatya carry a 9mm or some little .22". I kind of shut him up when I said no a 1911. I walked away to finish my conversation with friends and decide whether or not I even wanted to stay. I saw the guy on his mic "calling for backup" basically and describing me. It went from 2 people to 5 people outside staring my down. I walked over and asked if there was a problem. Some woman said "you cant come up here and ask about the firearms policy, flash an empty holster and think there wont be a problem, your dealing with a bunch of ex military people here" Not a whole lot came out of this conversation as she also didnt know what she was talking about. I waited for a bit and decided I would walk in. I was headed in the door when bouncer #1 stepped in front of me and told me he had to pat me down (No one else was being patted down) I stood there with my legs together, didnt lift my arms. He felt my sides, patted my legs down and thats about it. I walked in and went to the bar, had a beer watched some bands play told my friends parents what happened etc. Went out to have another smoke and when I walked back in I felt like I should tell the guy he wasnt that great at patting me down, and that next time he should feel the small of someones back and under there arms too. He wouldnt even look at me, I know i pissed him off pretty good right there. I was now standing around drinking water on the main floor hanging out with my brother and friends when I got a tap on the shoulder. I turned to see the woman bouncer/security person right behind me. She informed me that I needed to appolagize to the door guy, and that I shouldnt **** with the bouncers at a place I was in, and that the bouncer severely wants to kick me out. And that I also shouldnt give pat down tips. I told her I wouldnt appologize, I had done nothing wrong. "You cant come in here talking about guns with all the stuff thats being going on at clubs around here". Another threat of being kicked out and I said "Im sorry for causing a problem but im not gonna apologize to the guy, I dont know whats been going on around here im just trying to watch my friends play". When she walked away and I turned to face the stage again I realized I was surrounded by 3 of the other bouncers all standing about 15ft away observing and most likely hoping to "bounce me out". There was even a cop at the door when I left and they were pointing me out to him. I just walked away and wasnt followed, maybe the cop informed them that they were wrong who knows he didnt try and follow me.
Im gonna write a letter to whoever I have to about the incident, and include the RCW about the law and even a training bulletin that had the resturaunt/bar scenario in it to make it easier for them to understand. Im also going to point out how a criminal wouldnt ask if it was legal, he would just break the law. Hopefully they can all get there heads around that idea. Anything else I should include? I dont wanna take this very far I really just want someone to tell the bouncers/security that they were misinformed of the law and hopefully get an apology. Thoughts?
Marcus
Off the subject I bought new holster yesterday and today was my first full day of OC besides at the theater. Coffee girl saw it when I was in a nearby subway, asked if I was a cop. She was on our side about people needing guns. And all of my friends at the 164th Jiffy Lube approve (all the employees/managers are friends and most are gun owners/hunters) so I would put them on list of places to go to.
So tonight was a stupid night. Some of my friends are in a band and they were playing a show at The Showbox and I wanted to go. I planned on going into the bar (all my friends parents would be hanging out in there) so I locked my gun in my truck and went to the main entrance. I was standing outside smoking as I scanned the building for signs, I noticed the normal window sign on the bar door about firearms but no other signs. I decided to ask the bouncer working the door (no names from anyone) what the firearms policy was in the building for shits and giggles. I was told its illegal to carry anywhere inside because there was alcohol being served, and I told him that was incorrect its only in areas off-limits to those under 21. "No you're wrong, try going to Claim Jumpers and asking the manager if you can carry in the resturaunt, there gonna tell you no take your gun and kick your ass out." I think this is where he asked me if I was carrying a gun right now, I told him no and let him see my empty holster. "I was in the military for 5 years carrying I think I would know the law, whatya carry a 9mm or some little .22". I kind of shut him up when I said no a 1911. I walked away to finish my conversation with friends and decide whether or not I even wanted to stay. I saw the guy on his mic "calling for backup" basically and describing me. It went from 2 people to 5 people outside staring my down. I walked over and asked if there was a problem. Some woman said "you cant come up here and ask about the firearms policy, flash an empty holster and think there wont be a problem, your dealing with a bunch of ex military people here" Not a whole lot came out of this conversation as she also didnt know what she was talking about. I waited for a bit and decided I would walk in. I was headed in the door when bouncer #1 stepped in front of me and told me he had to pat me down (No one else was being patted down) I stood there with my legs together, didnt lift my arms. He felt my sides, patted my legs down and thats about it. I walked in and went to the bar, had a beer watched some bands play told my friends parents what happened etc. Went out to have another smoke and when I walked back in I felt like I should tell the guy he wasnt that great at patting me down, and that next time he should feel the small of someones back and under there arms too. He wouldnt even look at me, I know i pissed him off pretty good right there. I was now standing around drinking water on the main floor hanging out with my brother and friends when I got a tap on the shoulder. I turned to see the woman bouncer/security person right behind me. She informed me that I needed to appolagize to the door guy, and that I shouldnt **** with the bouncers at a place I was in, and that the bouncer severely wants to kick me out. And that I also shouldnt give pat down tips. I told her I wouldnt appologize, I had done nothing wrong. "You cant come in here talking about guns with all the stuff thats being going on at clubs around here". Another threat of being kicked out and I said "Im sorry for causing a problem but im not gonna apologize to the guy, I dont know whats been going on around here im just trying to watch my friends play". When she walked away and I turned to face the stage again I realized I was surrounded by 3 of the other bouncers all standing about 15ft away observing and most likely hoping to "bounce me out". There was even a cop at the door when I left and they were pointing me out to him. I just walked away and wasnt followed, maybe the cop informed them that they were wrong who knows he didnt try and follow me.
Im gonna write a letter to whoever I have to about the incident, and include the RCW about the law and even a training bulletin that had the resturaunt/bar scenario in it to make it easier for them to understand. Im also going to point out how a criminal wouldnt ask if it was legal, he would just break the law. Hopefully they can all get there heads around that idea. Anything else I should include? I dont wanna take this very far I really just want someone to tell the bouncers/security that they were misinformed of the law and hopefully get an apology. Thoughts?
Marcus
Off the subject I bought new holster yesterday and today was my first full day of OC besides at the theater. Coffee girl saw it when I was in a nearby subway, asked if I was a cop. She was on our side about people needing guns. And all of my friends at the 164th Jiffy Lube approve (all the employees/managers are friends and most are gun owners/hunters) so I would put them on list of places to go to.
