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    I am planning to go to Seattle this weekend and was wondering if I can carry at the Space Needle and the Aquarium. I have tried searching the forum but have not found anything. Any help you could provide would be appreciated.

    By the way, I am new to the state and this forum has been a big help by providing information on Washington's laws. Thanks and keep up the good work.

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    Welcome! The space needle may be able to prohibt them, IIRC it is private property. Not so sure on the Aquarium. Personally I would OC anywhere I don't see a no gun sign.

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    The space needle is indeed private property now. The last time I went was in the summer of 2002 and they had a search checkpoint at the bottom of the ramp that goes up to the elevators with big signs about prohibited items and firearms were on it.

    I have carried, although concealed, at the aquarium and did not notice any signs, but that was around the same time as the needle.
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    Is this your first time open carrying? If so that's quite adventurous of you! I don't think I'd have the courage to go all out on Seattle and all it's attractions my first time. Not that I am saying not to, I just think it's wiser to build up to it until you're comfortable with it so you can stick up for yourself and know all the laws. I'd hate for you to have a horrible experiance your first time and then never be willing to do it again. Does that make sense?

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    As for the space needle, it's privately owned by "The Space Needle Corporation", so they can make any policy they wish... of which I'm not sure of regarding firearms.

    The Seattle Aquarium, I thought I recalled hearing about someone seeing a "no firearms" policy on a sign somewhere outside... but couldn't find it on here. Just be sure to look around near the entrance and ticket booths for policies.
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    I have no idea about the aquarium in Seattle, but recently visited the one in Atlanta. The Atlanta aquarium is posted againast weapons of any kind including small pocket knives and they used hand held wands to scan everyone that entered. I had to return to my vehicle to leave a 2 in. bladed knife!!!! The scans were conducted by the aquarium employees but the day we were there, there were Atlanta Metro police inside the gates at the checkpoints also.

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    The aquarium has a seattle.gov email address so is a public entity and they can't ban your gun by state preemption.

    BTW the answer to questions like "Is XXX privately owned or run by the city/county/state?" are often easily answered by typing the name of the facility into google.



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    Havingworked at the Space Needle in their "Security" Department I can say that approx 8 years ago (when I was there) the decision was made to not allow firearms. There is a sign posted at each door explaining the "rules of conduct" and one of them mentions that firearms are not allowed (except for LEO, etc). I fought that decision (among others) and was quit/fired a few months later.

    That having been said, the checkpoints were put in place just post 9/11, and the guard was checking through bags for pocketknives, nailclippers, etc. The whole TSA bit. I was amused by this not only because 1) what are ya gonna do? Hijack the elevator?, but alsobecause 2)I was CC'ing my S&W39-2 at the time but because I wasn't carrying a bag or purse, they left me alone.

    Don't ask, don't unconceal would be the way to go at the Needle. They have been a private property for a few decades now.

    P.S. elevator ride is free with a meal reservation, lunch or breakfast are the best bargains

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    acrimsontide wrote:
    I have no idea about the aquarium in Seattle, but recently visited the one in Atlanta. The Atlanta aquarium is posted againast weapons of any kind including small pocket knives and they used hand held wands to scan everyone that entered. I had to return to my vehicle to leave a 2 in. bladed knife!!!! The scans were conducted by the aquarium employees but the day we were there, there were Atlanta Metro police inside the gates at the checkpoints also.
    Yet another thing to go on my list of reasons I hate Georgia. About the only two things that are redeeming for that state would be Atlanta Motor Speedway, and of course, the Bravos baby!

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    heresolong wrote:
    BTW the answer to questions like "Is XXX privately owned or run by the city/county/state?" are often easily answered by typing the name of the facility into google.
    That's exactly how I found the info I did on the Space Needle.
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    For anyone curious, the Space Needle does prohibit the carrying of firearms concealed or otherwise by anyone other than LEO's or military personnel who are on duty.

    My identity can be verified by Morris if there are any questions, and I have also met Marty and several other members here in person.

    A close family memberretired from the KCSO after 30 years and presently heads the security and risk management for the Space Needle corporation. He is about as gun friendly as they come, but the rules are the rules.

    Persons who print or otherwise draw the attention of security will be escorted out. To the best of my understanding, they don't tresspass for it unless it looks like you were deliberately ignoring their posted signs or attempting to subvert security.

    The Space Needle frequently employs off duty police officers as security. I would suggest not taking up the issue with them, they didn't make the rule.

    The Space Needle is a privately owned coporation, and their property line is demarked by a change in color of the concrete which surrounds the structure. The area on the other side of that line belongs to the City of Seattle.

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    The Seattle Aquarium is all Seattle park. As is the Woodland Park Zoo. State Preemption would make it legal to carry at either location.

    A "No Hunting or Fishing" sign would seem to be appropriate though!

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    Thanks for the post, and welcome to the forum, Maclean.

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    Thank you.
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    Misguided Child wrote:
    The Seattle Aquarium is all Seattle park. As is the Woodland Park Zoo. State Preemption would make it legal to carry at either location.

    A "No Hunting or Fishing" sign would seem to be appropriate though!
    Not sure about that. Lemme do a little research and I'll get back to all of you about that.

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    I could see where the aquarium, even if city property and preempted by state law, wouldn't want you carrying. Imagine you had to defend yourself and a poorly placed shot, or even a through and through hit the glass. About 17,000,000,000,000,000 gallonsof water along with potentially lethal fish come spilling out.

    Just my $.02 ... good thing I don't like aquariums!

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    ATCer wrote:
    I could see where the aquarium, even if city property and preempted by state law, wouldn't want you carrying. Imagine you had to defend yourself and a poorly placed shot, or even a through and through hit the glass. About 17,000,000,000,000,000 gallonsof water along with potentially lethal fish come spilling out.

    Just my $.02 ... good thing I don't like aquariums!
    Yano, naively-enough, that hadn't even crossed my mind... that's a great point.

    I mean, we've all seen Mission Impossible 1, right?.....
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    Hey everyone. I'm new to the forum. I've been lurking for a couple of weeks and this thread was definately what I needed to read up about. I'm an active duty Army Officer and I will be up in the Seattle/Mountlake Terrace area visiting my fiance in the next couple of weeks. After two combat tours in Iraq I feel naked and helpless without a weapon and your state leaves me no choice but to open carry since they won't recognize my Florida resident CCL. I appreciate everyones' advice and hope to see a few of you out there. I'll be rocking a Kimber 1911 with a Desantis C&L. Take care.

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    I wonder if this event will ban open carry?

    Want to be a police officer, firefighter or dispatcher? Here's your chance



    Here's some information on an upcoming career fair.
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    mnormand wrote:
    I'll be rocking a Kimber 1911...

    Mmmmmm..... Kimber [drools]. Welcome!

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    You'll look like a moron open carrying at a cop job fair. Seriously. You may get applications but you'll stand out and it may not be positive. You will also deal with the mis-informed.

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    You'll look like a moron open carrying at a cop job fair. Seriously. You may get applications but you'll stand out and it may not be positive. You will also deal with the mis-informed.
    That this is true just shows how much work needs to be done to educate LEOs.

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    ATCer wrote: Yano, naively-enough, that hadn't even crossed my mind... that's a great point.

    I mean, we've all seen Mission Impossible 1, right?.....
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    That this is true just shows how much work needs to be done to educate LEOs.
    Not so much that but you will get marked as rather enthusiastic or a screwball. Nothing against you or any OC'er, just that the fairs can and often do get some real winners coming through.

    Of course, if you are asked about it, you could educate but there are enough liberals out there that they will still find it odd or (gasp) offensive.

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    mnormand wrote:
    Hey everyone. I'm new to the forum. I've been lurking for a couple of weeks and this thread was definately what I needed to read up about. I'm an active duty Army Officer and I will be up in the Seattle/Mountlake Terrace area visiting my fiance in the next couple of weeks. After two combat tours in Iraq I feel naked and helpless without a weapon and your state leaves me no choice but to open carry since they won't recognize my Florida resident CCL. I appreciate everyones' advice and hope to see a few of you out there. I'll be rocking a Kimber 1911 with a Desantis C&L. Take care.
    Might as well also just apply for a non-resident WA CPL. Just go to the nearest police station when you get here. Could take up to 60 days.

    I think it is still 60 bucks.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.070

    http://www.ci.mountlake-terrace.wa.u...police/FAQ.htm

    http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Depar...ed_weapons.htm

    Edit to add: P.S. Thank you for your service to our country.

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