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    Considering getting one of these Link but would like to hear from anyone who knows about them or owns one.

    they decent, or junk?



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    I have the non-roto model for my HP 45 and I find it to be very comfortable and works pretty well. Retention is an issue to some people, but I personally feel the retention is at least as good as my simple thumb-strap nylon holster I used to use, and the fact that you can't remove the gun without going through the proper motions makes it a non-factor to me. Only $20 after shipping from Ebay for my model, probably less for other gun models that aren't quite as "exotic".

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    I think that for open carry paddle holsteres are junk! the forbus can be torn from your belt very easily-just my opinion.

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    You might want to consider this. Not the same holster, but probably similar. If you want a Kydex holster, look at the Blackhawk CQC line, they're carbon fiber reinforced. Much sturdier, and not much more expensive. There are a lot of fans of the Serpa retention option on that line as well. I like mine.

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    artedna wrote:
    I think that for open carry paddle holsteres are junk! the forbus can be torn from your belt very easily-just my opinion.
    You talking about Rubberized Paddles or Non-Rubberized?

    The Bianchi 7500 Paddle I have now is a Rubberized one and is just as impossable to "tear" off as a regular Belt Holster.

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    Does this model allow the tension to be adjusted?

    I had the standard Fobus for my Glock. It was very difficult to draw from and there was no way to adjust the tension.


    Which is why I switched to an Uncle Mikes Kydex.

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    artedna wrote:
    I think that for open carry paddle holsteres are junk! the forbus can be torn from your belt very easily-just my opinion.
    I felt the same way untill a friend had the waistband partially torn from a pair of Levi's while instructing a self defense type class...
    That incident changed my mind....I have the standard Fobus "Roto-holster" in paddle version....(the "Evo" isn't available for my pistol)...and am very happy with it.
    I won't hesitate to buy from Fobus again.....
    That said...if you order direct from the Fobus website, shipping is free...I found that to be the cheapest way to go by the time shipping was added from the "discount houses".

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    swillden wrote:
    You might want to considerthis. Not the same holster, but probably similar. If you want a Kydex holster, look at the Blackhawk CQC line, they're carbon fiber reinforced. Much sturdier, and not much more expensive. There are a lot of fans of the Serpa retention option on that line as well. I like mine.
    That video applies to ALL "plastic" holsters....even the often hailed Blackhawk line....and it was staged as well...not many people (I hope) are going to stand there and let that scenario happen.
    I read somewhere that the holster used was an older "first generation" version too...hadly a fair comparison IMHO.

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    Zed wrote:
    artedna wrote:
    I think that for open carry paddle holsteres are junk! the forbus can be torn from your belt very easily-just my opinion.
    You talking about Rubberized Paddles or Non-Rubberized?

    The Bianchi 7500 Paddle I have now is a Rubberized one and is just as impossable to "tear" off as a regular Belt Holster.
    The Fobus paddles are rubberized.....

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    swillden wrote:
    You might want to consider this. Not the same holster, but probably similar. If you want a Kydex holster, look at the Blackhawk CQC line, they're carbon fiber reinforced. Much sturdier, and not much more expensive. There are a lot of fans of the Serpa retention option on that line as well. I like mine.
    Only one Blackhawk makes that I like is the CQC Level 1 Carbon Fiber Finish but they don't have a paddle version...
    (Not realy sure of Serpa's, i'm not a big fan of retention straps either)

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    Comp-tech wrote:
    Zed wrote:
    artedna wrote:
    I think that for open carry paddle holsteres are junk! the forbus can be torn from your belt very easily-just my opinion.
    You talking about Rubberized Paddles or Non-Rubberized?

    The Bianchi 7500 Paddle I have now is a Rubberized one and is just as impossable to "tear" off as a regular Belt Holster.
    The Fobus paddles are rubberized.....
    I Know, I was asking artedna which one he/she was referring to.

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    Comp-tech wrote:
    That video applies to ALL "plastic" holsters....even the often hailed Blackhawk line....and it was staged as well...not many people (I hope) are going to stand there and let that scenario happen.
    I read somewhere that the holster used was an older "first generation" version too...hadly a fair comparison IMHO.
    Blackhawk's have carbon fiber inside the Kydex. You might be able to apply some force and shatter the plastic on the outside, but the carbon fiber is immensely strong stuff and there's no way you're going to rip through it.

    A gun grab like the video would severely damage one of the Blackhawk holsters, but the gun wouldn't come off.

    I can't comment on whether newer Fobus holsters are better-constructed than the one in the video.

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    Does this model allow the tension to be adjusted?

    I had the standard Fobus for my Glock. It was very difficult to draw from and there was no way to adjust the tension.


    Which is why I switched to an Uncle Mikes Kydex.
    The little screw below where your thumb would go in a draw allows you to adjust the tension to wherever you want it. I've adjusted mine to where it's easy for me to draw, but impossible for someone else to get the gun out.....

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    swillden wrote:

    A gun grab like the video would severely damage one of the Blackhawk holsters, but the gun wouldn't come off.
    B.S.....sorry swillden, that dog won't hunt....
    If we both use a similar technique as used in the video, do I get to keep your gun?....carbon fiber is not the "end all" to save your gun from a similar situation.
    Carbon fiber derives a great deal of it's strength in how it's used...ie. in what medium is used to do the "layup", how it is oriented relative to other layers within the layup, what process is used to cure the layup etc.
    To simplify, Kydex is Kydex...once the Kydex is broken, it will also begin to lose it's bond with the carbon fiber thereby degrading the advantage of having it in the first place.
    I can assure you that, at the cost of a Blackhawk, they aren't using aerospace technology when making their holsters.....including carbon fiber in their holster construction is more advertising ploy than anything else.

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    Comp-tech wrote:
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    A gun grab like the video would severely damage one of the Blackhawk holsters, but the gun wouldn't come off.
    B.S.....sorry swillden, that dog won't hunt....
    Have you tried it or are you guessing? Cross-woven carbon fiber cloth, like the stuff used on the outside of the carbon fiber-finish holsters (and I'm assuming they'd use the same inside), is very resistent to ripping or tearing, even completely unsupported.

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    swillden wrote:
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    A gun grab like the video would severely damage one of the Blackhawk holsters, but the gun wouldn't come off.
    B.S.....sorry swillden, that dog won't hunt....
    Have you tried it or are you guessing? Cross-woven carbon fiber cloth, like the stuff used on the outside of the carbon fiber-finish holsters (and I'm assuming they'd use the same inside), is very resistent to ripping or tearing, even completely unsupported.
    Answer your own question.....have you tried it?...and my question, do I get to keep your gun?
    No I haven't tried to rip apart someones Blackhawk...but, my opinion is based on about 20 years of personal experience using carbon fiber for several different projects/hobbies.
    You seem to be missing the fact that the CF is "laid" on the outside of the holster for "looks" more than anything else....the holster shell, belt "loop", paddle etc. are all still injection molded Kydex

    BTW, your "not much more expensive" comment is a bit off...the "Serpa" lists for $58.99 w/out shipping on their site...the Fobus is $23.99 shipped to your door....so a Serpa is over twice the cost of a Fobus eh?

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    Fobus is bogus ! Seriously I purchased two holsters made byFobus and returned

    both. They are cheaply made crap, that can be broken from the paddle easily

    because it is held together with cheap little rivets (although the video is a bit misleading).

    I switched to a Uncle Mikes Kydex paddle holster ($24) . It is a whole different design

    that encompasses a different "attachment retaining" bracket that will not break off.

    Screws are usedinstead of rivets. I'm very happy with the holster and don't really

    worry about "retention" issues, as I wear it daily on my hip. I feel that being aware

    of your surroundings is a more important than a retention device.Several friends of

    mine have expensive retention holsters that are not without their problems.The

    spring breaks at the wrong time and you are essential unarmed. In a crisis I want my

    weapon in my hand quickly not after pushing a button or lever to release it. God

    forbid that spring or snap mechanism malfunctions, your holster could get you killed.

    The model of Fobusyou refer to his new and it may be an improved version, however

    I would be careful as Fobus is known for junky holsters.






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    jack wrote:
    Fobus is bogus ! Seriously I purchased two holsters made byFobus and returned

    both. They are cheaply made crap, that can be broken from the paddle easily

    because it is held together with cheap little rivets (although the video is a bit misleading).

    I switched to a Uncle Mikes Kydex paddle holster ($24) . It is a whole different design

    that encompasses a different "attachment retaining" bracket that will not break off.

    Screws are usedinstead of rivets. I'm very happy with the holster and don't really

    worry about "retention" issues, as I wear it daily on my hip. I feel that being aware

    of your surroundings is a more important than a retention device.Several friends of

    mine have expensive retention holsters that are not without their problems.The

    spring breaks at the wrong time and you are essential unarmed. In a crisis I want my

    weapon in my hand quickly not after pushing a button or lever to release it. God

    forbid that spring or snap mechanism malfunctions, your holster could get you killed.

    The model of Fobusyou refer to his new and it may be an improved version, however

    I would be careful as Fobus is known for junky holsters.
    Could you please provide a cite or two?...not including the staged youtube video or personal opinions of "web warriors"....I've had one for a couple of years now and have a friend or two that swear by them.
    I'd like to know what you base this "known for junky holsters" comment on.....

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    Like I said I owned two for a short period of time and returned both. My local gun shop and many others have stopped carrying Fobus over quality issues. A simple search of any gun board will rank Fobus holsters right up their with Hi-point firearms, quality wise.It all comes down to different peoples opinions. If you like Fobus & Hi-point (for example)thats your prerogative. I find both to be junk and so do many other people. If you like them why the hell do you care what others think of them anyway ? You already bought it and are happy so great, good for you. I try to stick with quality products myself and can't stand poorly made anything.

    Hold a Uncle Mike's next to a Fobus and really look at them, it's obvious which is the better product. The cost is within $2-3 dollars, so Fobus is no value either. Junk never is.

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    Comp-tech wrote:
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    A gun grab like the video would severely damage one of the Blackhawk holsters, but the gun wouldn't come off.
    B.S.....sorry swillden, that dog won't hunt....
    Have you tried it or are you guessing? Cross-woven carbon fiber cloth, like the stuff used on the outside of the carbon fiber-finish holsters (and I'm assuming they'd use the same inside), is very resistent to ripping or tearing, even completely unsupported.
    You seem to be missing the fact that the CF is "laid" on the outside of the holster for "looks" more than anything else
    There's supposed to be CF inside the plastic as well, as I pointed out. Obviously the CF on the outside is purely for looks.

    I only have one holster, but I'll see if I can pick up another cheaply to try it.

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    swillden wrote:
    Comp-tech wrote:
    swillden wrote:
    Comp-tech wrote:
    swillden wrote:

    A gun grab like the video would severely damage one of the Blackhawk holsters, but the gun wouldn't come off.
    B.S.....sorry swillden, that dog won't hunt....
    Have you tried it or are you guessing? Cross-woven carbon fiber cloth, like the stuff used on the outside of the carbon fiber-finish holsters (and I'm assuming they'd use the same inside), is very resistent to ripping or tearing, even completely unsupported.
    You seem to be missing the fact that the CF is "laid" on the outside of the holster for "looks" more than anything else
    There's supposed to be CF inside the plastic as well, as I pointed out. Obviously the CF on the outside is purely for looks.

    I only have one holster, but I'll see if I can pick up another cheaply to try it.
    The Blackhawk website states that their holsters are injection molded...in order for them to have CF inside they would have to be press molded....woven CF cannot be injected

    But....I degress....Superman AND The Incredible Hulk together couldn't take your weapon from the mighty Serpa


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    Comp-tech wrote:
    The Blackhawk website states that their holsters are injection molded...in order for them to have CF inside they would have to be press molded....woven CF cannot be injected

    But....I degress....Superman AND The Incredible Hulk together couldn't take your weapon from the mighty Serpa
    I will second this (asI may or may not have already done, in this thread or elsewhere). There is NO CARBON FIBER used in created the body, mounting platform, or retention devices for Blackhawk CQC SERPA Level II holsters. NONE.

    Even the CF model is not constructed with carbon fiber. In fact, I am not even 100% positive that the INLAY THAT IS GLUED ONTO THE BODY OF THE HOLSTER is even real carbon fiber (again, it's probably just that cheap imitation crap that is painted to look like CF like what you would find at AutoZone on the 4 dollar shift knobs for little tuner cars)... Of course, I COULD be wrong about that, but I suspect I am not.

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    Comp-tech wrote:
    Superman AND The Incredible Hulk together couldn't take your weapon from the mighty Serpa
    There's really no need for that. Please, I've been nothing but civil, you should return the favor. I've previously ignored your snarkiness, but this is over the top.

    I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong. The point about injection molding is a good one. I'd be very interested to know if anyone has actually disassembled a CQC holster to verify it, or attempted to tear one off to see how sturdy it is. If it's no tougher than the Fobus in the video, then I need to get another holster.

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    swillden wrote:
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    Superman AND The Incredible Hulk together couldn't take your weapon from the mighty Serpa
    There's really no need for that. Please, I've been nothing but civil, you should return the favor. I've previously ignored your snarkiness, but this is over the top.

    I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong. The point about injection molding is a good one. I'd be very interested to know if anyone has actually disassembled a CQC holster to verify it, or attempted to tear one off to see how sturdy it is. If it's no tougher than the Fobus in the video, then I need to get another holster.
    Apologies for the "snarkiness"...whatever the hell that is...I'm a grumpy old fart and I suppose, at times, I can get a tad...to use your term...snarky.

    I just can't help myself when someone starts posting crap...at times, not even well thought out crap...as gospel. This "Serpa is the holster god" attitude that some seem to have has just gotten to be a sore spot with me.
    Some just seem to fall for the advertising gimmicks too easily...and without any research, or real thought on a given subject, spout off pure nonsense.

    Again...the Fobus in the video was reported to be an older version and, IIRC, were assembled with copper rivets that could have been set too tight and possibly weakening the Kydex at the rivet point.
    I feel pretty sure that if Fobus products were such crap as some claim, so many military and LEO's in Israel wouldn't be using them.....and they do have a lifetime warranty.
    One other thing regarding Fobus v Serpa.....a small pebble etc. will never keep me from drawing my pistol as can happen with the Serpa.....you never know when you might have to roll around on the ground. That's a snazzy retention device alright but, IF something ever lodges under the release lever at the wrong time...it could cost you your life.


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    Blackhawk does have a CQC Level 1 holster which looks and feels exactly the same as the SERPA Level II and comes with both the belt and paddle attachments, the only difference being the SERPA retention system. The one my buddy recently acquired even has the tension screw in the same place as my SERPAs. Just throwing out the info for those who like everything about the CQC series except the SERPA retention.

    If anyone ever does come across any info on the shearing force required to remove a Blackhawk CQC holster from either the belt or paddle attachement, I'm sure many of us would be quite interested in the information.
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