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DeerForce1 wrote:
Skidmark, can you provide codes for any of this? The Florida division of licensing web site does not make any differentiation between a resident or non resident when refering to anything or the 3 following specific items:
residency
application process (other than the additional costof RENEWING)
change of address
Where are you getting your information from? Hey if i'm wrong i'll be happy to admit it but i cannot find anything to back up what you are saying.
Not arguing just asking...........................................................DF1
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/license/fees.html
Look at the Type "W" license/permit. As posted earlier (admitedly without the URL citation) Florida DOES make a distinction between resident and out-of-state permits by actually making a distinction between the two types.When you apply for a permityou must state if you are applying for a resident or out-of-state permit. I propose to you that this is not merely circular thinking, but an actual distinction between two different types of permit.
As for the validity of a Florida resident permit held by a Virginia resident, you will have to accept my personal conversations with the Virginia State Police, who are the final word on what is or is not recognized. The VSP recognize as valid a Florida resident permit held by a Florida resident who is temorarily physically present in Virginia. They do not recognize as valid a Florida resident permit held by a Virginia resident. (How do they know what type of permit you hold? They call Florida, and Florida's database shows either "resident" or "out-of-state".)
The explanation given was that the Virginia resident is no longer a resident of Florida, so their Florida resident permit is no longer valid. VSP says the same for resident permits from all other states held by Virginia residents. My
personal opinion on this is that it has more to do with driving funds towards the Virginia CHP process, which provides some $$ to VSP.
The real question is whether or not Florida changes the type of permit from resident to out-of-state if you submit a resident permit change of address request for an address in anystate other than Florida. I have not asked that question to Florida.
By way of helping folks understand -- often how you ask a question will determine what sort of answer you get. My background is in framing questions so as to obtain the most precise information possible, as opposed to seeking any specific answer over the possibility of other possible answers. As an example, try these two questions both about the subject of smoking and about the subject of praying:
Q1- Is it theologically permisable to smoke while praying?
Q2 - Is it theologically permissable to pray while smoking?
A1 - No. One should not engage in any activity that detracts from the focus on prayer.
A2 - Yes. Prayer is always permisable, and in certain circumstances or activitiesis highly encouraged.
Now, if I wanted to know about the permisability of prayer in relation to the activity of smoking, I would phrase the question thusly:
Q3 - Under what circumstances, if any, are the simultaneous actions of praying and smoking theologicallypermisable? (This question allows A2 above, while recognizing that A1 above may also exist for some circumstances. Q1 and Q2 are mutually exclusive of each other's answers.)
In the same way, folks have beendiscussing if Virginia recognizes as valid a Florida resident concealed weapon permit. tHey have omitted from that question any reference to the residency of the holder of that permit, which was the central issue of the OP's circumstance. Good discussion, but not on point, as they say in court.
I hope that this has answered your request for particulars. I agree that there do not appear to be any legislative citations in either Virginia or Florida that one can cite with some assurance. When that is the case one must rely on asking questions and the answers one gets to those questions. My professional experience (meaning experience obtained through a career of getting paid to ask questions in search of specific information) has been that they phrasing of the question is more important than the answer when trying to seek meaning from chaos. YMMV.
stay safe.
skidmark
*edited to add clarity to a point.
