Shotgun
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
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Doug Huffman wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
Doug, I assume you mean "licensed" CC.
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WI OC Needs Better Organization in order to Succeed
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Doug Huffman
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Shotgun wrote:
Sure, narrowly speaking, or any mandatory infringement.
Shotgun wrote:
Sure, narrowly speaking, or any mandatory infringement.
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
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feslandsurveys wrote:
In my readings, few or none are willing to exercise the "right", and the RKBA orgs in WI sure as heck don't want any open carry "marches" or whatever to spoil the "gains" they are making for CC.
Ha!
I wish you could get some people on board, I really do.
feslandsurveys wrote:
IMHO, you are among the few Wisconsinites who believe you have a right to OC.
In my readings, few or none are willing to exercise the "right", and the RKBA orgs in WI sure as heck don't want any open carry "marches" or whatever to spoil the "gains" they are making for CC.
Ha!
I wish you could get some people on board, I really do.
feslandsurveys
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Yes, after what I have read here I would have to agree with your honest opinion.
That's too bad, if you don't use it, you loose it.All I can do is tell my story, or answer questions and I'm always glad to do that. Till then, I'll just keep on keeping on, until someoneshows me a legitimate law that provesto me that I don't have that right. No one has ever even questioned my right so far.
But I am afraidthat if wedon't get peoplemore active before NOVEMBER we mightbe in real trouble.We have to do our homework and make it known to everyone you know, where each candidate stands on all the RKBA issues, they are almost always very strong one way or the other. I'm not pushing any one party, but just be informed for goodness sake. I love my gun collection and I'd be really sad to give up my semi's or my pistols.I don't even believe thatmy ammo needs it's ownserial number on each case that matchesthebullet.(What will we do about re-loads, buy an engraver?)
Anyway, push people to be informed. That is what I try to do, get involved with putting the RIGHT people in office. Not the wrong/LEFT people. Again I wouldn't endorse one party above another on this site, I save that for FOX.com or CNN.com and I pound away for my prefered party/candidates. Keep in mind that most socialist societies aren't allowed the RKBA
I'll do my very best to paint Wisconsin a different color in November, do whatever you feel will protect your rights the best, BUT DO SOMETHING, go a step above just voting this year. HAPPY CARRYING!!!
Dwayne Hefner
Yes, after what I have read here I would have to agree with your honest opinion.
That's too bad, if you don't use it, you loose it.All I can do is tell my story, or answer questions and I'm always glad to do that. Till then, I'll just keep on keeping on, until someoneshows me a legitimate law that provesto me that I don't have that right. No one has ever even questioned my right so far.
But I am afraidthat if wedon't get peoplemore active before NOVEMBER we mightbe in real trouble.We have to do our homework and make it known to everyone you know, where each candidate stands on all the RKBA issues, they are almost always very strong one way or the other. I'm not pushing any one party, but just be informed for goodness sake. I love my gun collection and I'd be really sad to give up my semi's or my pistols.I don't even believe thatmy ammo needs it's ownserial number on each case that matchesthebullet.(What will we do about re-loads, buy an engraver?)
Anyway, push people to be informed. That is what I try to do, get involved with putting the RIGHT people in office. Not the wrong/LEFT people. Again I wouldn't endorse one party above another on this site, I save that for FOX.com or CNN.com and I pound away for my prefered party/candidates. Keep in mind that most socialist societies aren't allowed the RKBA
I'll do my very best to paint Wisconsin a different color in November, do whatever you feel will protect your rights the best, BUT DO SOMETHING, go a step above just voting this year. HAPPY CARRYING!!! Dwayne Hefner
GJD
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I had originally expected to end up in handcuffs and in the pack of their patrol car. That was my split-second impression the minute I saw them coming at me. But then I thought, "wait, I'm not doing anything illegal or threatening." I then tried to act non-confrontational while at the same time explaining my rights. Officer Dseamed to know that I hadn't done anything illegal, and just tried to feign disorderly conduct to blow smoke up my a$$. The other officer, Officer G was the one that really seemed like he wanted to get me, but again, I wasn't doing anything illegal. This would have never happened if the manager had come over to me and asked me to leave. It wasn't like the store was packed with people, this was at 9:30 at night, there might have been 10 other people in the whole store and maybe 3-4 people actually passed by me.
I hadn't intented to be the poster boy for open carry in this part of Wisconsin or Wisconsin in general, but yet again, I'm willing to excersize my constitutional rights. I've only recently started carrying because I only turned 21 a month ago and then could legally buy my own handgun.
I had originally expected to end up in handcuffs and in the pack of their patrol car. That was my split-second impression the minute I saw them coming at me. But then I thought, "wait, I'm not doing anything illegal or threatening." I then tried to act non-confrontational while at the same time explaining my rights. Officer Dseamed to know that I hadn't done anything illegal, and just tried to feign disorderly conduct to blow smoke up my a$$. The other officer, Officer G was the one that really seemed like he wanted to get me, but again, I wasn't doing anything illegal. This would have never happened if the manager had come over to me and asked me to leave. It wasn't like the store was packed with people, this was at 9:30 at night, there might have been 10 other people in the whole store and maybe 3-4 people actually passed by me.
I hadn't intented to be the poster boy for open carry in this part of Wisconsin or Wisconsin in general, but yet again, I'm willing to excersize my constitutional rights. I've only recently started carrying because I only turned 21 a month ago and then could legally buy my own handgun.
Mike
Site Co-Founder
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Keep it up - just start carrying - more and more of these Non-events will be recorded in police memory and hopefully press reports OC becomes ho hum at some point. That's the way it has worked in all the other states.
Keep it up - just start carrying - more and more of these Non-events will be recorded in police memory and hopefully press reports OC becomes ho hum at some point. That's the way it has worked in all the other states.
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I have just learned about Open carry within the past week or so, not even knowing it was leagal. I have since then wrote a letter to my Congressman, and senator stating that a wording for open carry should be somthing along the lines of; It is legal to open carry a Firearm and for it not to be considered disorderly conduct or disturping the peace. I know this will have little if no impact on anything happening. I live in the waukesha area and I think it would be a great thing so start having open carry events. Even if its just going out to eat as a group. I have a couple friends that are in Law enforcement and they have all agreed that OC is legal and unless you are causing a scene they have no reason to stop you.
Like GJD said, he was doing nothing illegal, yet we are scared to OC cause of the police attention we could recive. Maybe we should just get the police attention in the right places ie streets with people or in crowed grocercy stores. Anywho, I am trying to put togheter a flyer with the laws and our rights are will start to ( with the owners concent of course ) place them around gun clubs and shops around the area.
I have just learned about Open carry within the past week or so, not even knowing it was leagal. I have since then wrote a letter to my Congressman, and senator stating that a wording for open carry should be somthing along the lines of; It is legal to open carry a Firearm and for it not to be considered disorderly conduct or disturping the peace. I know this will have little if no impact on anything happening. I live in the waukesha area and I think it would be a great thing so start having open carry events. Even if its just going out to eat as a group. I have a couple friends that are in Law enforcement and they have all agreed that OC is legal and unless you are causing a scene they have no reason to stop you.
Like GJD said, he was doing nothing illegal, yet we are scared to OC cause of the police attention we could recive. Maybe we should just get the police attention in the right places ie streets with people or in crowed grocercy stores. Anywho, I am trying to put togheter a flyer with the laws and our rights are will start to ( with the owners concent of course ) place them around gun clubs and shops around the area.
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Skilo wrote:
Some Wisconsin OpenCarry members have posted concerns on this forum about concealed carry via special government permit, restriction of our current open carry rights, requiring government certified training classes, and so forth. Oddly, I did not see any of those members at the meeting.
Skilo wrote:
Gene German organized a meeting to addresscitizen rights under Wisconsin law. There was no cost to attend, and beverages were provided at no charge.
Some Wisconsin OpenCarry members have posted concerns on this forum about concealed carry via special government permit, restriction of our current open carry rights, requiring government certified training classes, and so forth. Oddly, I did not see any of those members at the meeting.
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Skilo wrote:
I think it's unwise to open carry in a group if you would not normally open carry by yourself. If someone in the group is not experienced at open carry and makes an error in judgement, it puts everyone at risk. Each individual needs to know the laws and have personal responsibility for their actions. If someone in your group is open carrying and is arrested for doing something illegal, you're a witness. What if you're the one who accidentally did something illegal?
If you're unarmed and meeting someone for lunch to discuss open carry and get more information, that's a different story. Whether or not they normally open carry isn't the point, it's whether or not you normally open carry, and that you are doing what you normally do.
Skilo wrote:
Not to say you are planning on doing this, but I want to make a general statement that people should consider before open carrying in groups.
I think it's unwise to open carry in a group if you would not normally open carry by yourself. If someone in the group is not experienced at open carry and makes an error in judgement, it puts everyone at risk. Each individual needs to know the laws and have personal responsibility for their actions. If someone in your group is open carrying and is arrested for doing something illegal, you're a witness. What if you're the one who accidentally did something illegal?
If you're unarmed and meeting someone for lunch to discuss open carry and get more information, that's a different story. Whether or not they normally open carry isn't the point, it's whether or not you normally open carry, and that you are doing what you normally do.
Doug Huffman
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Pointman wrote:
In my work an aphorism was, "ask your own questions and find your own answers." That was advanced by a guy that survived the SL-1 reactor accident by the sniffles.
Pointman wrote:
I suggest that same 'effect' applies to intellectual pursuits as well. I have characterized it as "the conspiracy of ignorance," lemmings know that they're correct 'cause, look, everyone else is doing it.
In my work an aphorism was, "ask your own questions and find your own answers." That was advanced by a guy that survived the SL-1 reactor accident by the sniffles.
smithman
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Pointman has made some excellent points here. I would like to add that one must be prepared for LEO encounters. THEY WILL HAPPEN when you OC often enough.
Memorize these phrases and when to use them:
"Am I being detained?"
"I Do not consent to any searches"
"I have nothing to say about _____"
Good advice is to avoid answering LEO questions with "yes" or "no" since the questions themselves could be phrased in a way to be confusing. Hence, when an LEO asks you "You won't mind if I have a look in your trunk, do you?" Do you say "no" (meaning no searches or that you don't mind if you are searched) or do you say "yes" (that you do mind if you are searched or that it is ok to search). Either answer could be interpreted as consent to a search, especially after the fact when the officer has dealt with 200 other people. So avoid yes or no answers at all costs.
If an LEO asks you "We've got a few calls in the last week about a man with a gun fitting your general body type, have you been doing this before?" Here the phrase "I have nothing to say about any of that" preserves your fifth amendment rights and avoids you saying "I don't know" where saying "I don't know" might actually be a lie to the LEO (lying to an LEO is a big no-no). Remember that LEOs can lie to you all day long but you can't lie to him.
There are alot of sources online about LEO encounters. While I don't support the ACLU they have a video called "busted" that is easy to follow and allows you to see the different aspects of LEO encounters and this information can be corroborated from other sources on the issue. This can be viewed on youtube.
When OCing you must be a gentleman (remember, an armed society is a polite society!). You must be very aware of your surroundings and the situation. You must be prepared for LEO encounters. You must be prepared for using your firearm for self-defense---physically, mentally, and legally. Its alot to do. If you can't answer the above questions then you should think again before you OC, thought it is your right at any time to OC. For me, I need to review my insurance information!
Pointman has made some excellent points here. I would like to add that one must be prepared for LEO encounters. THEY WILL HAPPEN when you OC often enough.
Memorize these phrases and when to use them:
"Am I being detained?"
"I Do not consent to any searches"
"I have nothing to say about _____"
Good advice is to avoid answering LEO questions with "yes" or "no" since the questions themselves could be phrased in a way to be confusing. Hence, when an LEO asks you "You won't mind if I have a look in your trunk, do you?" Do you say "no" (meaning no searches or that you don't mind if you are searched) or do you say "yes" (that you do mind if you are searched or that it is ok to search). Either answer could be interpreted as consent to a search, especially after the fact when the officer has dealt with 200 other people. So avoid yes or no answers at all costs.
If an LEO asks you "We've got a few calls in the last week about a man with a gun fitting your general body type, have you been doing this before?" Here the phrase "I have nothing to say about any of that" preserves your fifth amendment rights and avoids you saying "I don't know" where saying "I don't know" might actually be a lie to the LEO (lying to an LEO is a big no-no). Remember that LEOs can lie to you all day long but you can't lie to him.
There are alot of sources online about LEO encounters. While I don't support the ACLU they have a video called "busted" that is easy to follow and allows you to see the different aspects of LEO encounters and this information can be corroborated from other sources on the issue. This can be viewed on youtube.
When OCing you must be a gentleman (remember, an armed society is a polite society!). You must be very aware of your surroundings and the situation. You must be prepared for LEO encounters. You must be prepared for using your firearm for self-defense---physically, mentally, and legally. Its alot to do. If you can't answer the above questions then you should think again before you OC, thought it is your right at any time to OC. For me, I need to review my insurance information!
Doug Huffman
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smithman wrote:
State Farm Ins. Cos have a large presence in Wisconsin and South Carolina, South Carolina where they denied coverage after a home owner allowed a (very nice) private-family pistol range on his property. I don't recall the gentleman's name but the events should be archived at SCFirearms.org or in a GRSC officer's memory.
smithman wrote:
State Farm Ins. Cos have a large presence in Wisconsin and South Carolina, South Carolina where they denied coverage after a home owner allowed a (very nice) private-family pistol range on his property. I don't recall the gentleman's name but the events should be archived at SCFirearms.org or in a GRSC officer's memory.
Teej
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Pointman wrote:
If you could flip a switch and suddenly have every member of the assembly and senate in favor of passing something TODAY...the soonest it would possibly happen is about one year from now. The Legislature is effectively done for the year. There are only a few very specific items they can address before the end of January 09.
Six months? Impossible. Unless you could brainwash doyle. THEN it might be doable.
Pointman wrote:
If you could flip a switch and suddenly have every member of the assembly and senate in favor of passing something TODAY...the soonest it would possibly happen is about one year from now. The Legislature is effectively done for the year. There are only a few very specific items they can address before the end of January 09.
Six months? Impossible. Unless you could brainwash doyle. THEN it might be doable.
Teej
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Pointman wrote:
I've been to ccwtrainer's carry class, but haven't been able to make the meetings.
Pointman wrote:
AHhh....nevermind. I got my threads crossed. My apologies.
I've been to ccwtrainer's carry class, but haven't been able to make the meetings.
Doug Huffman
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Pointman wrote:
Put your cards on the table or ....
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$
Pointman wrote:
You better tell us what you think is happening and who is supporting and who 'we' is or be painted with WCCO-Monkeyleg Baker's brush. I will not hesitate to act against any hint of NRA or mandatory concealment infringement or influence of WCCO/Dick Baker.
Put your cards on the table or ....
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$
Doug Huffman
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Pointman wrote:
There are too many laws on the books now. So many that the tyant-wannabes have their way with us as it is. Will y'all (second person plural) join them?
More and more this stinks of NRA.
http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/RealNature.shtml Remember the lessons taught here and expecially about 'access'. Access is what tyrant-wannabes sell.
Pointman wrote:
There are too many laws on the books now. So many that the tyant-wannabes have their way with us as it is. Will y'all (second person plural) join them?
More and more this stinks of NRA.
http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/RealNature.shtml Remember the lessons taught here and expecially about 'access'. Access is what tyrant-wannabes sell.
Doug Huffman
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Compromise by the forces of status quo.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum48/9011.html
Compromise by the forces of status quo.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum48/9011.html