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    Here's the Link to the Blackhawk Page & a pic of the one i'm intrested in.

    http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.as...00&C=C2090



    My Questions, Is the Paddle Rubberized?
    And can it me adjusted to diffrent angles?

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    Eagleeye wrote:
    Here's the Link to the Blackhawk Page & a pic of the one i'm intrested in.

    http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.as...00&C=C2090



    My Questions, Is the Paddle Rubberized?
    And can it me adjusted to diffrent angles?

    Thanks!
    It's NOT rubberized but it fits LIKE A GLOW. NOBODY can "yank" it out. I carry it EVERY with the paddle. LOVE the Serpa. Just finished of my Serpa Shoulder Harness today for my S&W 4006. I gotthe H&K P30 that fits for it. I carry my Kimber strong side in with the Paddle.

    GET IT cuz YOU will LOVE IT

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    It can indeed be adjusted, but it is not a "roto" type adjustment. You must unfasten three screws that connect the paddle to the mounting plate on the body of the holster, then adjust the can't. All in all, it's a wonderfully stable and secure system that I think you will enjoy. Every single person that I have ever met/heard from that has bought it, loves it (myself included )

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    vmathis12019 wrote:
    It can indeed be adjusted, but it is not a "roto" type adjustment. You must unfasten three screws that connect the paddle to the mounting plate on the body of the holster, then adjust the can't. All in all, it's a wonderfully stable and secure system that I think you will enjoy. Every single person that I have ever met/heard from that has bought it, loves it (myself included )

    Your right, vmathis12019.

    It can be worn as an FBI cant, straight cant and as a crossdraw cant.


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    I like mine. I use the belt loop attachment rather than the paddle, though. The paddle is plenty secure, but I find the belt loop more comfortable, and I like the fact that it allows me to slide the holster forward on the belt to position it in front of me where I can see it when I'm standing and to slide it back out of the way when I sit. The good thing is that the holster comes with both, so you can use whichever you like.

    The other posters covered the adjustability.

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    Got mine last week at http://www.botachtactical.com/



    $33.00 plus shipping.



    I love it and my Glock 19 loves it.



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    Both of my primary carry weapons have those holsters. I usually carry them with the paddle attachment with an FBI cant as that adjustment makes it pretty much vertical when seated and comfortably canted forward standing, but either way, the firearm is always easily accessible. I'm planning on purchasing a CQC shoulder holster platform for them as well. Obviously I like them.
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    Thanks.

    Sounds like a good holster then, would still prefer the paddle to be rubberized though.

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    The new paddles are more flexible and somwhat smaller than the previous paddle design. Obviously others agree with you.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    We have three of them, the paddles are really comfortable and hold the gun very close to your body. I'm not sure what you call rubberized, but these paddles are flexible, strong,and have three great retention features. The gun retention in the holster is excellant too!! With a good belt these are great holsters!!!

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    Are the ones on http://www.botachtactical.com/ the real and full SERPA at BlackHawk CQC SERPA Holster - Active Retention - Matte Finish ? I've seen them mentioned a few times before but I'm wary considering they're selling them for $33 and the official site has them for $50+... I know there's manufacturer markup but that's quite a bit.

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    Bubba Ron wrote:
    I'm not sure what you call rubberized

    Either Parts of or the whole paddle being covered with rubber to aid in grip of the clothing it's attached to, and sometimes increase the comfort.

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    Schofield wrote:
    Are the ones on http://www.botachtactical.com/ the real and full SERPA at BlackHawk CQC SERPA Holster - Active Retention - Matte Finish ? I've seen them mentioned a few times before but I'm wary considering they're selling them for $33 and the official site has them for $50+... I know there's manufacturer markup but that's quite a bit.
    They are the real ones. I buy my ones at the local Police Equipment Store at $33-40 dollars a piece.

    ANY "Official" manufacturer sales their stuff at a higher price than dealers.

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    I saw this thread today and happened to be in the market for a Level II holster. I was previously using the Galco Matrix MX5 which has only a tension screw for retention so it is Level 0. As I have been doing more open carry, I have felt less and less comfortable with that rig. I wanted to avoid a gun grab.

    What I like about the Galco is that it holds the gun very close to my body and has the FBI cant, also it's one of the few holsters made specifically formy CZ P-01. From reading the CZ forum, I know that most holsters that are made for the Glock 19 are a near perfect fit for the P-01, so I stopped by Diamondback Police Supply on my way home from work. I popped my CZ into the holster and sure enough- perfect fit. :celebrate

    As I speak it's on my side with the FBI cant set up on the paddle- WAY more comfortable than my old holster. So far as gripping the clothing- that's the only downside I see so far- It grips too well- I have to practice taking it off. Damned thing is almost impossible to pull off of my pants.

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    Keep in mind, these holsters are not actually level 2. They're level 1.

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    Eagleeye wrote:
    Bubba Ron wrote:
    I'm not sure what you call rubberized
    Either Parts of or the whole paddle being covered with rubber to aid in grip of the clothing it's attached to, and sometimes increase the comfort.
    Try a Blackhawk CQC Serpa holsterand you won't be disappointed - they are very comfortable with the paddle configuration, we got ours from: www.impactguns.com .

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    hmmm. the guy in the vieod called them level II. Doesn't matter, it's a great holster- comfortable and secure. I don't regret having made the purchase.

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    Dahwg wrote:
    hmmm. the guy in the vieod called them level II. Doesn't matter, it's a great holster- comfortable and secure. I don't regret having made the purchase.
    What video? I'm assuming you meant video..

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    DreQo wrote:
    Dahwg wrote:
    hmmm. the guy in the vieod called them level II. Doesn't matter, it's a great holster- comfortable and secure. I don't regret having made the purchase.
    What video? I'm assuming you meant video..

    Think he ment these, just noticed them myself (Quicktime is Required)

    http://www.blackhawkvideos.com/holsters.html


    Also, watch the CQC Acessories Video has a Rally Funny line in it about the weapon light holder.


    "It also Has the ledge at the botom that locks the switch in position so that you don't accedentaly Illuminate yoursellf when you might not want to be Illuminated"
    :?

    Ah man, writes this stuff?

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    Eagleeye wrote:
    DreQo wrote:
    Dahwg wrote:
    hmmm. the guy in the vieod called them level II. Doesn't matter, it's a great holster- comfortable and secure. I don't regret having made the purchase.
    What video? I'm assuming you meant video..

    Think he ment these, just noticed them myself (Quicktime is Required)

    http://www.blackhawkvideos.com/holsters.html
    Actually there were several on You Tube. The one I saw was:


    Part 1:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKLtZDuXjNA

    Part 2:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0XF9gtI7z8&NR=1
    Chuck Buis from Blackhawk states that it'sa level II



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    It would be a level 2 because it has a retention device. THe regular CQC holster is just a level 1 since it doesn't have a finger saftey mechanism.

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    bourneshooter wrote:
    It would be a level 2 because it has a retention device. THe regular CQC holster is just a level 1 since it doesn't have a finger saftey mechanism.

    bourneshooter, you are RIGHT on the $$$. I fro right now have a Right Strong side Serpa for my Kimber and a Serpa shoulder Holster for my S&W 4006. I OC/CC my Kimber but so far ONLY OC my Shoulder holster. I am getting a Galco ******* Shoulder Holster for the S&W for CC purposes only. I need to CC at work and sometimes I would like to CC shoulder Holster Vs Hip Carry. Just a change. BUT BELIEVE ME, I will NEVER abandon Serpa Holsters since they are EVEN Cop Safe.

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    bourneshooter wrote:
    It would be a level 2 because it has a retention device. THe regular CQC holster is just a level 1 since it doesn't have a finger saftey mechanism.
    Wrong.

    http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/C...iderations.htm
    Levels of retention

    The retention level of the holster refers to the number of retention devices you have to release or move the gun past in order to draw the pistol from the holster:

    An example of a level l holster would be a simple thumb-break device that must be unclipped in order to draw the weapon.

    A Level ll holster example is one where a thumb-break is released then the pistol must be moved (rocked forward or rearwards) in the holster to clear some form of internal locking device before it can be drawn.

    A Level lll holster is one where three separate retaining devices, both internal and external must be undone or bypassed.
    http://www.productwizard.com/safaril...explained.html
    Safariland Retention Level II
    A level two holster is where the user must remove the thumb break and also rock the weapon forward or backwards to unlock the internal mechanism. This type of rocking action provides the user with the ability to remove the weapon easily however thwarts anyone not wearing the holster to remove the weapon.
    Friction is NOT a locking mechanism that must be bypassed. A holster that requires nothing more than a vertical pull on the firearm to draw is essentially Retention Level 0, since there is nothing you have to do to draw, other than DRAW. Blackhawk is going against the already established Retention Level System by claiming that the friction caused by their tension screw on the holster is in and of itself a locking mechanism. This is wrong.

    Friction holsters do indeed keep the gun from falling out, and so they do retain the firearm in theliteral sense of the term. However, they can not be considered a "Retention Holster" for the purpose of securing the weapon against an attempted gun-grab.

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    DreQo wrote:
    Friction is NOT a locking mechanism that must be bypassed. A holster that requires nothing more than a vertical pull on the firearm to draw is essentially Retention Level 0, since there is nothing you have to do to draw, other than DRAW. Blackhawk is going against the already established Retention Level System by claiming that the friction caused by their tension screw on the holster is in and of itself a locking mechanism. This is wrong.

    Friction holsters do indeed keep the gun from falling out, and so they do retain the firearm in theliteral sense of the term. However, they can not be considered a "Retention Holster" for the purpose of securing the weapon against an attempted gun-grab.
    I agree with you for the most part, but it's not a tension screw at all, it's actually got some sort of locking device on the inside like the guy on the video says, "a speed bump". You have to set how hard you need to pull in order to get it to pop out. But I agree- simply drawing the weapon shouldn't make it a "retention holster." By the way, the packaging and even the website says Level II.

    http://www.blackhawk.com/product1.as...05&C=C1387

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    I have 0 retention holsters for CC and range use that you can pull the gun from at about any angle, but friction keeps it in place when wearing it. The CQC holsters have a physical block, that is a shape in the kydex, that prevents the gun from falling out and the amount of retention provided by the physical block depends on the tightness of the tension screw. I can hold the holster upside down with the SERPA lever pressed in and shake it every which way and the pistol will not fall out. Furthermore, the pistol can ONLY be drawn straight up. Any angle to it and it will not come out at the tension level I use (and yes I have tested this with friends doing retention drills). I don't see why that wouldn't be level 1 if the same sort of tension/shape retention by Safariland where you have to either move the pistol forward or back and it won't draw in any other position is. Instead of going forward or back to draw and no other position, the CQC requires straight up and no other position for a draw. Still only one draw angle. And it very much meets the Safariland level 1 requirement of retaining the pistol when all other retentions are disabled, and the holster is inverted and shaken. Regardless, I like it and feel secure carrying with them.
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