Wow,,,nice to know that one person can insight so much from so many.Nice to know that freedom of speech is not the issue here.
And, as a favor to me, can some one show me where to find the actual law and conditions of what Open Carry is. I would like to be educated as to, the legal conditions of legal open carry. ie: loaded, unloaded, w or w/o magazine, cocked/uncocked, etc.
As far as the response of WTF....Grow up...if you expect people to understand or respect your opinions, then show the same. I respect everyones opinion here, regardless of whether or not I agree.
The purpose of these types of forums is to get people to think,,,get people to see other points of view and appreciate other points of view.
And for the smart--- who said that the name should be changed to pleasedontopencarry.org....Show me where in the Bill of Rights, does it clearly and unquestionably state that you have the RIGHT to Open Carry. If you can find it, then you need to show the Supreme Court,,because alot of us have missed that one.
For those of "US" and i mean all of us, legal concealed carry, legal OC, legal gun owners, that think that we have "THE RIGHT". Well I have very bad news for you,,,The constitution, the bill of rights, the amendments are all subjective, to ones interpretation. If it wasn't, there would be no GUN RIGHTS debates, either in person, in law, in congress or the suprememe courts. And whats more, its only subjective and truely enforced by the powers to be,,,so don't fool yourself into believing that WE have the right. There are a few men and a couple women who are going to make the FINAL decision on what Your and Mine Rights are.
In a perfect world, people would understand and accept. But this is a world of perception, of Political Correctness. The ordinary everyday person has no clue, only what they see, hear or read. And what they read is regulated by Politics. Pure and simple, whether it be Government politics, Ecomonic Politics or personal gain. And this is why I say,,,Sometimes, not all the time, "JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD".
There is a right place and time for everything. I have the Right to Freedom of Speech,,,but there are places where it would not be prudent or healthy to express it.
And as far as Law Enforcement goes...Its just like everyone or everything else.You can get 10 different Officers or Deputies from every department here in the SLC/Utah county areas and you will get different opinions from each of the ten from each department. I work closely with Sandy PD and with each officer I have asked about OC and Concealed Carry, each will have their own opinion and interpretation about the laws. I am a believer in Open Carry, I am a believer Handguns, Assault Weapons, 50 cal, Silencers.
But again, I also believe in commom sense.
I'm really going to insight some harsh words....But it goes to Just because you can, Doesn't mean you should,,,,I was in West Valley Recently, and saw a gentleman carrying a Sig 229 in a tac rig, spare mags, tac light,,,OD pants, black t-shirt, black hat and tac boots. I thought for a minute he was LEO or Corrections,,,I found he was not later. This particular gentleman was caucasion, and in a very very ethnic part of West Valley. The locals caught sight of him real quickly, and began to mass numbers quickly. The gentleman was called out and quickly surrounded. Him, his wife and 2 kids were in a bad situation. I was one of several calls to 911. Luckily, West Valley PD responded quickly and was able to intervine before things escalated. The West Valley PD officers who responded, asked the gentleman in question what he thought he was doing, and he responded, "HE WAS EXERCISING HIS RIGHT..." And I believe the Officer's response was, He was also exercising his right to STUPIDITY. He also informed him that had the incident escalated, and the gentleman been forced to defend himself and family with his weapon, that he may have been held responsible for insighting and if a discharge and injury or death occurred, it would not have been viewed as self defense, and that the locals may also have had the right to feel that they acted in self defense as they felt there was a threat.
And finally, DO NOT
assume that I am against Open Carry, I am completely for it. And for those who said OC is legal and Concealed carry is illegal,,,,Come on,,,lets not get into a battle of semmantics. Getting a Concealed carrry permit to be legal is no different than getting a driver's license to be a legal driver.
And as for the person who was approached and questioned by the Retail/Wholesale manager in Sandy, the reason the manager questioned the person pertaining to this, is because the management did receive several comments of concern, and as for why he did not agree to to ask the person to leave...Well, here's where that world of Political Correctness steps in. The manager himself is put into a place where he had to make decision of plus and minuses. And it was not a personal decision, it was business. And yes I do know the situation, and please don't ask how,,,again due to politcal correctness....