cloudcroft
Campaign Veteran
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I_Hate_Illinois,
1. Yes, I believe I do. And if you are not aware that most gun-owners are quite liberal on other issues (besides guns) -- which makes them not my choice for living amongst even in a "A NewState" -- then maybe you are the ignorant one? I used to think most gun-owners were conservatives and shared a real conservative's platform of core beliefs...they aren't and they don't. They're mostly liberals-libertarians or libertarian-liberals...I don't know which. But at least nowYOU are aware of this phenomenon.
2. By "US" I meant gun-owners such as yours truly and people who share my values (a small minority). By"YOU" I meant most gun-owners (the majority of them). I included you in the "great majority" because I truly doubt we'd agree on those social/moral/political/cultural issues which separate the men from the boys, if you will.
Given the rampant moral decay of this country, I don't see any way to fix it (work within the system) because there is no solid foundation anymore to build on, so seceding from the Union to "start over" seems a viable option...but my idea of a "New State" would be different than most people here. I think this country CAN be fixed, if people really wanted to do that (but not enough do), but itcan't be done via the democratic process.
-- John D.
I_Hate_Illinois,
1. Yes, I believe I do. And if you are not aware that most gun-owners are quite liberal on other issues (besides guns) -- which makes them not my choice for living amongst even in a "A NewState" -- then maybe you are the ignorant one? I used to think most gun-owners were conservatives and shared a real conservative's platform of core beliefs...they aren't and they don't. They're mostly liberals-libertarians or libertarian-liberals...I don't know which. But at least nowYOU are aware of this phenomenon.
2. By "US" I meant gun-owners such as yours truly and people who share my values (a small minority). By"YOU" I meant most gun-owners (the majority of them). I included you in the "great majority" because I truly doubt we'd agree on those social/moral/political/cultural issues which separate the men from the boys, if you will.
Given the rampant moral decay of this country, I don't see any way to fix it (work within the system) because there is no solid foundation anymore to build on, so seceding from the Union to "start over" seems a viable option...but my idea of a "New State" would be different than most people here. I think this country CAN be fixed, if people really wanted to do that (but not enough do), but itcan't be done via the democratic process.
-- John D.