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A New State

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I just had a great idea. Why don't all of us gun owners have our own state? They can draw up a new state out of existing territories and we can all move there. We can live in our own state where everyone is armed. Then the gun grabbers will watch in astonishment as we have no crime and live our lives peacefully. **** 'em. I think it's a hell of an idea. How about you?
 
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IMO, because there is more than one-issue involved re: living somewhere: The people! Not the material things, but the people and what they do or do notbelieve in, which controls how they behave.

The average gun owner (i.e., most of them)are FOR many social/cultural/moral/political issues I am AGAINST....so I sure wouldn't want to live with them. In fact, they'd be on the other side in a shooting Cluture War or Civil War II (which probably will never happen consideringcurrent politics and where most so-called Americans'heads are at).

So there probably are plenty of people likeYOU -- "gun owners" -- who could easily make up a state's population, but there arenot enough of US to do that. About all WE can do is try to live obscurely under the radar and let the country continue it's downward spiral.

-- John D.
 
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Already exists.

http://www.freestateproject.org/



We need to think bigger. We need charismatic individuals to infiltrate the brady bunch, get elected to their board and effectively disband them. We need people running on both democratic and republican tickets in every district in the US.

You'd have to do it one state at a time, with state delegates and state senators, so you could change state law quickly and effectively. You'd need to fund 3-4 people to run democrat and 3-4 people to run republican in every district in the state chosen. Do it all simultaneously. Spread 3 of your people's non-gun views across the spectrum. Mirror the 4th person's platform to be identical to the incumbent in order to pull votes.

With that many people running in every district and with proper funding and publicity you'll be able to get enough people elected to do something. If the state staggers their delegate and senator rotations then it'll be more difficult.


The other option would be to do residency swaps. Run only one legit candidate in each district. But get everyone in the group to register as a resident in every district based off a legitimate member's address in each respective district. You have 3000 people living in your house? Completely plausible. Throw the votes. I'm not sure how each state audits registered voters for their districts. In my home county in MD you could just walk to the board of elections, give them an address in the county you claimed was your current residence, and they'd issue you a voter registration card.
 
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nickerj1 wrote:
Already exists.

http://www.freestateproject.org/



We need to think bigger. We need charismatic individuals to infiltrate the brady bunch, get elected to their board and effectively disband them. We need people running on both democratic and republican tickets in every district in the US.

You'd have to do it one state at a time, with state delegates and state senators, so you could change state law quickly and effectively. You'd need to fund 3-4 people to run democrat and 3-4 people to run republican in every district in the state chosen. Do it all simultaneously. Spread 3 of your people's non-gun views across the spectrum. Mirror the 4th person's platform to be identical to the incumbent in order to pull votes.

With that many people running in every district and with proper funding and publicity you'll be able to get enough people elected to do something. If the state staggers their delegate and senator rotations then it'll be more difficult.


The other option would be to do residency swaps. Run only one legit candidate in each district. But get everyone in the group to register as a resident in every district based off a legitimate member's address in each respective district. You have 3000 people living in your house? Completely plausible. Throw the votes. I'm not sure how each state audits registered voters for their districts. In my home county in MD you could just walk to the board of elections, give them an address in the county you claimed was your current residence, and they'd issue you a voter registration card.
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You mean America would be infiltrated from within by <gasp> ..... PATRIOTIC AMERICANS?
 
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New state won't matter. Look at Alaska. No permit for OC or CC and the state gov't pretty much leaves people alone, at least moreso than pretty much any other state. Doesn't eleminate the rampant corruption, but at least keeps it more at arms length. But they can't mail a gun to a relative, they can't buy a machine gun with out an ATF license, they can't do a lot of things because the federal government is still acting as a nanny to suppress freedom and liberty in the name of security - social securities through social programs and engineering and physical securities such as TSA. Both are abysmal failures, and both encourage and even demand that people be dependent upon the government for their most fundamental right as a human being - their right to life. Nothing would be different in a new state. If the citizens reject the nanny philosophy, the gov't has ways of punishing the states, and being that progressives long ago removed any state's representation within the federal government, you won't get far. The dumb masses will ensure the failure of any such state. Besides, with nearly 1/3 of the adult population owning firearms, that is going to have to be a big state.
 
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cloudcroft wrote:
About all WE can do is try to live obscurely under the radar and let the country continue it's downward spiral.

-- John D.
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I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
I just had a great idea. Why don't all of us gun owners have our own state? They can draw up a new state out of existing territories and we can all move there. We can live in our own state where everyone is armed. Then the gun grabbers will watch in astonishment as we have no crime and live our lives peacefully. **** 'em. I think it's a hell of an idea. How about you?
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Alaska and Vermont. Wyoming is close. These gun friendly states still feel the boot of oppression from the BATFE.
 
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I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
I just had a great idea. Why don't all of us gun owners have our own state? They can draw up a new state out of existing territories and we can all move there. We can live in our own state where everyone is armed. Then the gun grabbers will watch in astonishment as we have no crime and live our lives peacefully. **** 'em. I think it's a hell of an idea. How about you?
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Could we call this new state RonPaulistan???:celebrate
 
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cloudcroft wrote:
kmcdowel.

"America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolf, 101 Things To Do Till the Revolution

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-- John D.
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I LOVE IT!!! LMAO....:monkey
 
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Thundar wrote:
I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
I just had a great idea. Why don't all of us gun owners have our own state? They can draw up a new state out of existing territories and we can all move there. We can live in our own state where everyone is armed. Then the gun grabbers will watch in astonishment as we have no crime and live our lives peacefully. **** 'em. I think it's a hell of an idea. How about you?
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Could we call this new state RonPaulistan???:celebrate
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Um yeah, no.

How about, "The Constitutional State(s) of America"
 
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I keep telling everyone to move to Alaska. Vermont is too small and surrounded by Evil States. Alaska just has Russia and Canada on its borders. :D
 
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I trust Russia more than Canada. At least the Politboro admits that they are a bunch of commie fascist murdering SOBs bent on controlling people's lives and consolidating power for personal gain. We should be so lucky to have a Canadian socialist or a Hillary and Obama admit it so openly.
 
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"commie fascist" is quite an oxymoron because those are opposed economic systems.

When the Culture Wars (also to be known as the War Between the Northern and Southern Hemispheres) break out, beyond today's skirmishes, the Russians will be our Northern and Eastern European allies against the depauperate cultures of the temperate Southern Hemisphere.
 
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Doug Huffman wrote:
"commie fascist" is quite an oxymoron because those are opposed economic systems.
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I could argue that to a certain degree, but you are obviously correct that economically they cannot exist contemporaneously and in that regard my comment was incorrect. I retract the word "fascist" and replace it with "totalitarian" to avoid an OT conversation on colloquial v formal/traditional definitions.
 
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deepdiver wrote:
Thundar wrote:
I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
I just had a great idea. Why don't all of us gun owners have our own state? They can draw up a new state out of existing territories and we can all move there. We can live in our own state where everyone is armed. Then the gun grabbers will watch in astonishment as we have no crime and live our lives peacefully. **** 'em. I think it's a hell of an idea. How about you?
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Could we call this new state RonPaulistan???:celebrate
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Um yeah, no.

How about, "The Constitutional State(s) of America"
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CSA was tried once. Big war. Lots of needless death. Tragic consequences for state sovereignty. I like RonPaulistan better.Ron Paulis the modern Thomas Jefferson after all.
 
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Citizen wrote:
deepdiver wrote:
SNIP At least the Politboro admits that they are a bunch of commie fascist murdering...
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Russia still has a Politburo?
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Oh good, God ... I don't think so. I was just making an smarmy off the cuff comment which I don't usually do. Guess that'll learn me.

Thundar wrote:
deepdiver wrote:
Thundar wrote:
I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
I just had a great idea. Why don't all of us gun owners have our own state? They can draw up a new state out of existing territories and we can all move there. We can live in our own state where everyone is armed. Then the gun grabbers will watch in astonishment as we have no crime and live our lives peacefully. **** 'em. I think it's a hell of an idea. How about you?
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Could we call this new state RonPaulistan???:celebrate
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Um yeah, no.

How about, "The Constitutional State(s) of America"
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CSA was tried once. Big war. Lots of needless death. Tragic consequences for state sovereignty. I like RonPaulistan better.Ron Paulis the modern Thomas Jefferson after all.
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Laff - I didn't even think about it being abbreviated to CSA - I was focused on the "constitutional" part. While I still like the concept, CSA would carry far too much baggage even nearly a century and a half later. But Ron Paul as a modern Thomas Jefferson? :uhoh:
 
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cloudcroft wrote:
IMO, because there is more than one-issue involved re: living somewhere: The people! Not the material things, but the people and what they do or do notbelieve in, which controls how they behave.

The average gun owner (i.e., most of them)are FOR many social/cultural/moral/political issues I am AGAINST....so I sure wouldn't want to live with them. In fact, they'd be on the other side in a shooting Cluture War or Civil War II (which probably will never happen consideringcurrent politics and where most so-called Americans'heads are at).

So there probably are plenty of people likeYOU -- "gun owners" -- who could easily make up a state's population, but there arenot enough of US to do that. About all WE can do is try to live obscurely under the radar and let the country continue it's downward spiral.

-- John D.
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I have a couple of questions for you. 1) Do you know enough of the 80 million gunowners in this country to make an ignorant blanket statement about what they believe in? 2) What do you mean by referring to me as 'YOU' and referring to you as 'US', as though I am not part of the collective? You did hit the nail on the head, however, when you used the term 'WE', though I personally disagree that we should stay below the radar.

'Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them'
-Frederick Douglass 1857
 
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