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    http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frien...333351,00.html
    A Georgia man was arrested for murder after he allegedly shot and killed a motorcyclist who he said was following his teenage daughters home from a Target store, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

    Richard Harold Gear's two daughters, ages 17 and 19, called their 45-year-old father from their cell phones to tell him they were being followed, the paper reported.

    When they got home their father was at the end of their driveway with a pistol, police told the newspaper.

    Gear allegedly shot his .40-caliber semiautomatic gun two or three times at Bryan Joseph Mough, 21, after he drove past the house, turned around and made another pass, the Journal-Constitution reported.

    The teens said they made obscene gestures at Mough after he cut them off, adding at one point he ran into their car, the newspaper reported.

    Police told the newspaper there is evidence of a collision between the vehicle and the motorcycle, but they haven't been to determine who initiated it.
    Wish there were more details, but the antis are gonna have a field day with this one.

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    You bet they are. This is where a "Lawful Brandishing" law may have been useful.

    Nothing stopping you from "cleaning" a rifle on your front porch, though!

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    Even the few other sparse details available do not indicate how in the world that father thinks he is going to legally justify this as self-defense. I can see myself in a similar situation standing at the end of the driveway when my daughters got home OCing and doing my best Clint Eastwood 200 yard squint while staring down the kid on the motorcycle. But what had to be going through his head to shoot at the kid?

    I think we can get some insight about him from the behavior of his daughters when they "made obscene gestures at Mough after he cut them off". They learned such behavior from somewhere, and given their father's behavior I can make a guess. Stupid, needless death and now a stupid, needless legal ordeal, and probably a long prison sentence, for the other family. What a dumbass.
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    deepdiver wrote:
    Even the few other sparse details available do not indicate how in the world that father thinks he is going to legally justify this as self-defense. I can see myself in a similar situation standing at the end of the driveway when my daughters got home OCing and doing my best Clint Eastwood 200 yard squint while staring down the kid on the motorcycle. But what had to be going through his head to shoot at the kid?

    I think we can get some insight about him from the behavior of his daughters when they "made obscene gestures at Mough after he cut them off". They learned such behavior from somewhere, and given their father's behavior I can make a guess. Stupid, needless death and now a stupid, needless legal ordeal, and probably a long prison sentence, for the other family. What a dumbass.
    Agreed, the sad thing is the antis are going to try to paint us all with this very broad brush.

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    I guess their cell phone does not call 9-1-1

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    Great point about 911. Just because one is equipped with a firearm and able to shoot someone doesn't mean he should anymore than a women being equipped to be a prostitute means she should turn tricks. Either there was something else significant happening with the kid on the bike, or the father is a loose canon who needs to be in jail and shouldn't have a firearm.
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    You have to wonder about the guy on the MC though: He gets shot at as he drives by the housebut then turns around and drives by again.

    Considering the situation, sounds somewhat suicidal, doesn'tit? [a rhetorical question]

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    It was after he drove by the house, and then turned around and drove by again that he got shot.

    I wonder if the street was a cul-de-sac and the MC rider didn't have a choice but to drive by again.

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    This story is making it around the motorcycle forums too.

    Here is the more likely scenario that most agree on, including me.

    Teenage daughters side swipe motorcyclist, he follows them, they call Dad with who knows what kind of stories. In some manner, the girls have a bigger part in this than it currently appears.

    Oh!!, This isn't the first time Dad has shot at people!!

    http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...22800152.shtml
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    Yeah, i'm thinking the guy followed them home so he could take down their insurance information so he could get his bike fixed.

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    This story is making it around the motorcycle forums too.

    Here is the more likely scenario that most agree on, including me.

    Teenage daughters side swipe motorcyclist, he follows them, they call Dad with who knows what kind of stories. In some manner, the girls have a bigger part in this than it currently appears.

    Oh!!, This isn't the first time Dad has shot at people!!

    http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...22800152.shtml
    Yeah, and according to some of the comments from people who know those involved, those girls are far from being innocent littleangels. :?

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    And "parents" (using the term loosely) often are the last ones to find that out about their darling kids.

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    I can't imagine a motorcycle playing demo derby with a car. But I can't imagine riding by a guy with a gun and turning around to go back by him. And I for sure can't imagine trusting the media to give an accurate account of the facts

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    Sounds like a bunch of brain surgeons, especially the shooter. Shot the guy in the back. This story hardly belongs in "True Tales of Self Defense". It belongs in the "How Not to Act Responsible" forum.


    Car seized in slaying of cyclist
    Biker gunned down in Oconee County
    By Joe Johnson | joe.johnson@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 1:46 PM on Friday, February 29, 2008












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    Oconee County investigators have seized the car two Bogart teens were driving Monday night when they squabbled with a motorcyclist - a fight that ended when the girls' father allegedly shot and killed the biker.

    Authorities are trying to see if damage to the car jibes with the teenage sisters' story that 21-year-old Bryan Joseph "B.J." Mough intentionally slammed into their car and followed them home before he was shot to death on the street near their house.

    "We seized the car pursuant to a warrant and are in the process of trying to recreate the cause and manner of any collision between the two vehicles," Oconee County Sheriff Scott Berry said Thursday. "My traffic people are in the process of doing that, and they are consulting with accident-reconstruction specialists."

    The sisters, ages 17 and 19, told investigators they called their father as they were driving home from an Athens discount store on Atlanta Highway to say a motorcyclist cut them off and rammed their car. They admitted that they made obscene hand gestures at Mough, officials said.

    Their father, Richard "Ricky" Harold Gear, was waiting at the end of his driveway as the teens arrived home. He fired a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol "two or three times," hitting Mough once in the back as the biker drove by, according to Berry.

    Gear, 46, is held without bond on a murder charge.

    He doesn't yet have an attorney or a schedule for a preliminary court hearing, according to Berry.

    The killing has drawn attention to tiny Bogart, and national television networks have called for interviews, according to Berry.

    "Bogart is a quiet, close-knit place, and I can't remember ever having a murder in Bogart, other than a shooting that took place on the Athens-Clarke County side about 15 years ago," Berry said. "This isn't a drug-dealer murder in downtown Athens."

    The community of about 1,100 people spans two counties, and downtown Bogart is about a mile west of the Clarke County line.

    Motorcyclists from across the state are rallying in Mough's memory and plan a group ride from a service station off Interstate 85 in Duluth to Mough's funeral, which is scheduled for noon Saturday at Carter Funeral Home in Winder.

    Frenzied Internet bloggers have written dozens of theories and scenarios about what happened Monday, many of the postings fueled by the fact that authorities have released few details about what led to the shooting.

    Mough and the Gear sisters were at the Target store in Athens at the same time Monday night and left the store about the same time. Berry would not say who left the store first, but Mough did not follow the Gear sisters, he said.

    The sheriff also would not discuss what the Gear sisters told their father before the shooting, beyond that they claimed a man was following them and intentionally rammed their car with his motorcycle.

    Gear did not act in self-defense, however, according to Berry, who said Mough's motorcycle never touched Gear's property and Gear shot the biker in the back.

    Investigators also are taking a new look at a 2-year-old case in which Gear may have fired a gun at a group of teenagers.

    Gear called Oconee deputies the night of Feb. 25, 2006, to complain that a car knocked over his mailbox after he chased a group of trespassers from his property. The trespassers were neighborhood teens who were arguing with one of Gear's daughters and her boyfriend, according to one teen's mother.

    Deputies found the teens, who admitted they ran over the mailbox, which they said they hit as they were fleeing from the Gear home after someone shot at them, an Oconee sheriff's report states.

    Authorities didn't charge anyone because they couldn't prove anyone had fired a gun, according to Berry, who said people involved in the alleged shooting were "less than truthful."

    Berry has assigned eight investigators to the murder investigation, and they are tracking down other reports that Gear may have fired a gun.

    "All the information we got (is) being followed up on," the sheriff said. "We're not ignoring anything."

    See MOTORCYCLISTS on A7


    Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 022908

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    The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.
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    Call me a cynic, but I get the feeling these two "little angels" did more than just get cut-off by this guy.

    In fact, I call into question whether or not he, a guy on a motorcycle, no less, cut off them, presumably driving daddy's SUV.

    Sadly, we may never find out what happened. :X
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    Yea, I have a feeling the two teen girls are a big problem and their protective father is law illiterate. I believe, he's definately going to get nothing less than a lesser murder charge. I'd bet those girls made up some story that they thought he was going to kill them and their dear old dad "took him out" to protect them. I'd like to see a follow-up in the years to come as the girls keep increasing their run-ins with the law and how it is always someone else's fault. Maybe, I shouldn't say that. They may have been truely frightened and if Dad always protects them, why would they think of 911? They're teens. Teens and an adult making dumb decisions.

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    The kid had just bought the bike a few weeks before, he was a novice rider and the bike was his pride and joy. The girls cut him off in a parking lot and he hit the car. Words were exchanged and the girls drove off. He followed them (a mistake in my book) to get license and insurance info. The girls pulled into the driveway after calling their father, father was waiting. The rider drove by, turned around and passed the father who shot the kid in the back as he was riding away. The same man was investigated nearly a year to the day before for firing at a group of teens in a scuffle outside his house in which one of his daughters and her boyfriend were involved.

    This guy should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. According to several sources and witnesses on the street where it happened, the rider made no threats and didnt even slow down when passing the house. The girls should be prosecuted as well. I'm not sure on what charges, but they are definately complicite.

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    Sword wrote:
    The girls should be prosecuted as well. I'm not sure on what charges, but they are definately complicite.
    Well, hit and run to start with...

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    He deliberately rammed them with a motorcycle on the highway? Right... Somehow I think daddy's angels omitted certain details of this encounter. As for daddy, it looks like he's being handled appropriately -whatever happened to the brats - if he did open up on the guy like that.

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    This story is making it around the motorcycle forums too.

    Here is the more likely scenario that most agree on, including me.

    Teenage daughters side swipe motorcyclist, he follows them, they call Dad with who knows what kind of stories. In some manner, the girls have a bigger part in this than it currently appears.
    I couldn't agree more. This, I believe is exactly how it happened. I believe that when the truth comes out these "darling daughters" are gonna come out of the wash a lil dirty. And the poor biker... he probably never saw it comin.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.

    I agree. I also want to point out that teenage girls have a tendency to lie to their parents. Perhaps the daughters didn't want to explain how they had side swiped a motorcyclist, and that he wanted their insurance information, so they thought they could get him to go away without reporting it if he saw their dad cleaning his shotgun on the porch. So they make up a story about how this guy is crazy and threatening them to get their dad to do the angry dad thing. Unfortunately, they over-exaggerate, and now the dad thinks his daughters' lives are in danger, not that they are being pestered. He sees that this guy is persistent when he follows the girls all the way home, over-reacts and shoots the guy, thinking that he is some crazed rapist, not having a clue that he is just wanting to swap insurance.

    Now that's all in my head, but I'll bet you I'm right.




    Imagine that your daughters have told you that this guy is threatening them and trying to run them off of the road. They act scared and you're thinking that this guy is out to rape your kids. They pull into the dark driveway and this guy stops his bike. He gets off his bike and starts to take a few steps to follow your daughters. At this point it looks like the rapist is chasing down your poor innocent daughters and there is no doubt in your mind that this is a lethal force situation. So you shoot the charging rapist. He gets back on his bike and takes off, but doesn't make it far before he succumbs to his wounds. All of a sudden you are being charged with 2nd degree murder because it turns out this guy was just trying to get some insurance information.

    Sure it may not be what happened, but it sounds so me like that's exactly what happened.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.
    snip

    Imagine that your daughters have told you that this guy is threatening them and trying to run them off of the road. They act scared and you're thinking that this guy is out to rape your kids. They pull into the dark driveway and this guy stops his bike. He gets off his bike and starts to take a few steps to follow your daughters. At this point it looks like the rapist is chasing down your poor innocent daughters and there is no doubt in your mind that this is a lethal force situation. So you shoot the charging rapist. He gets back on his bike and takes off, but doesn't make it far before he succumbs to his wounds. All of a sudden you are being charged with 2nd degree murder because it turns out this guy was just trying to get some insurance information.

    Sure it may not be what happened, but it sounds so me like that's exactly what happened.
    That is still a dangerous, irresponsible act on his part. If that is how it went down, he should have called 911, met his daughters in the driveway, rushed them inside and stood guard at the front door waiting for the police. Guy was a loose cannon anyway I can look at it unless some exculpatory info comes out.
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    expvideo wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.

    I agree. I also want to point out that teenage girls have a tendency to lie to their parents. Perhaps the daughters didn't want to explain how they had side swiped a motorcyclist, and that he wanted their insurance information, so they thought they could get him to go away without reporting it if he saw their dad cleaning his shotgun on the porch. So they make up a story about how this guy is crazy and threatening them to get their dad to do the angry dad thing. Unfortunately, they over-exaggerate, and now the dad thinks his daughters' lives are in danger, not that they are being pestered. He sees that this guy is persistent when he follows the girls all the way home, over-reacts and shoots the guy, thinking that he is some crazed rapist, not having a clue that he is just wanting to swap insurance.

    Now that's all in my head, but I'll bet you I'm right.




    Imagine that your daughters have told you that this guy is threatening them and trying to run them off of the road. They act scared and you're thinking that this guy is out to rape your kids. They pull into the dark driveway and this guy stops his bike. He gets off his bike and starts to take a few steps to follow your daughters. At this point it looks like the rapist is chasing down your poor innocent daughters and there is no doubt in your mind that this is a lethal force situation. So you shoot the charging rapist. He gets back on his bike and takes off, but doesn't make it far before he succumbs to his wounds. All of a sudden you are being charged with 2nd degree murder because it turns out this guy was just trying to get some insurance information.

    Sure it may not be what happened, but it sounds so me like that's exactly what happened.
    Is he taking a few steps, or chasing them down, which is it?

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