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GA - Georgia Man Kills Motorcyclist Who Was Following Teen Daughters

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He deliberately rammed them with a motorcycle on the highway? Right... Somehow I think daddy's angels omitted certain details of this encounter. As for daddy, it looks like he's being handled appropriately -whatever happened to the brats - if he did open up on the guy like that.

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VAopencarry wrote:
This story is making it around the motorcycle forums too.

Here is the more likely scenario that most agree on, including me.

Teenage daughters side swipe motorcyclist, he follows them, they call Dad with who knows what kind of stories. In some manner, the girls have a bigger part in this than it currently appears.
I couldn't agree more. This, I believe is exactly how it happened. I believe that when the truth comes out these "darling daughters" are gonna come out of the wash a lil dirty. And the poor biker... he probably never saw it comin.
 

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deepdiver wrote:
The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.


I agree. I also want to point out that teenage girls have a tendency to lie to their parents. Perhaps the daughters didn't want to explain how they had side swiped a motorcyclist, and that he wanted their insurance information, so they thought they could get him to go away without reporting it if he saw their dad cleaning his shotgun on the porch. So they make up a story about how this guy is crazy and threatening them to get their dad to do the angry dad thing. Unfortunately, they over-exaggerate, and now the dad thinks his daughters' lives are in danger, not that they are being pestered. He sees that this guy is persistent when he follows the girls all the way home, over-reacts and shoots the guy, thinking that he is some crazed rapist, not having a clue that he is just wanting to swap insurance.

Now that's all in my head, but I'll bet you I'm right.




Imagine that your daughters have told you that this guy is threatening them and trying to run them off of the road. They act scared and you're thinking that this guy is out to rape your kids. They pull into the dark driveway and this guy stops his bike. He gets off his bike and starts to take a few steps to follow your daughters. At this point it looks like the rapist is chasing down your poor innocent daughters and there is no doubt in your mind that this is a lethal force situation. So you shoot the charging rapist. He gets back on his bike and takes off, but doesn't make it far before he succumbs to his wounds. All of a sudden you are being charged with 2nd degree murder because it turns out this guy was just trying to get some insurance information.

Sure it may not be what happened, but it sounds so me like that's exactly what happened.
 

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expvideo wrote:
deepdiver wrote:
The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.
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Imagine that your daughters have told you that this guy is threatening them and trying to run them off of the road. They act scared and you're thinking that this guy is out to rape your kids. They pull into the dark driveway and this guy stops his bike. He gets off his bike and starts to take a few steps to follow your daughters. At this point it looks like the rapist is chasing down your poor innocent daughters and there is no doubt in your mind that this is a lethal force situation. So you shoot the charging rapist. He gets back on his bike and takes off, but doesn't make it far before he succumbs to his wounds. All of a sudden you are being charged with 2nd degree murder because it turns out this guy was just trying to get some insurance information.

Sure it may not be what happened, but it sounds so me like that's exactly what happened.
That is still a dangerous, irresponsible act on his part. If that is how it went down, he should have called 911, met his daughters in the driveway, rushed them inside and stood guard at the front door waiting for the police. Guy was a loose cannon anyway I can look at it unless some exculpatory info comes out.
 

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expvideo wrote:
deepdiver wrote:
The more I hear the more I am glad that guy is in jail.


I agree. I also want to point out that teenage girls have a tendency to lie to their parents. Perhaps the daughters didn't want to explain how they had side swiped a motorcyclist, and that he wanted their insurance information, so they thought they could get him to go away without reporting it if he saw their dad cleaning his shotgun on the porch. So they make up a story about how this guy is crazy and threatening them to get their dad to do the angry dad thing. Unfortunately, they over-exaggerate, and now the dad thinks his daughters' lives are in danger, not that they are being pestered. He sees that this guy is persistent when he follows the girls all the way home, over-reacts and shoots the guy, thinking that he is some crazed rapist, not having a clue that he is just wanting to swap insurance.

Now that's all in my head, but I'll bet you I'm right.




Imagine that your daughters have told you that this guy is threatening them and trying to run them off of the road. They act scared and you're thinking that this guy is out to rape your kids. They pull into the dark driveway and this guy stops his bike. He gets off his bike and starts to take a few steps to follow your daughters. At this point it looks like the rapist is chasing down your poor innocent daughters and there is no doubt in your mind that this is a lethal force situation. So you shoot the charging rapist. He gets back on his bike and takes off, but doesn't make it far before he succumbs to his wounds. All of a sudden you are being charged with 2nd degree murder because it turns out this guy was just trying to get some insurance information.

Sure it may not be what happened, but it sounds so me like that's exactly what happened.
Is he taking a few steps, or chasing them down, which is it?
 

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You missed this part.

The motorcycle and car collided after Chelsea Gear made an obscene gesture at Mough, the sisters testified.

as well as...

Berry examined Mough's body at the hospital, saw that a bullet had entered Mough's back and exited the stomach, and called a deputy with orders to charge Gear with murder.
 

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I really hope this guy didn't have a Georgia firearms liscense. We are ever so close to having house bill 89 passed into law.
 

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Though not as new as the one posted above.. these two updates illustrate that Daddy's angels have a story that's unraveling fast. :)

UPDATE #1

http://www.onlineathens.com/cgi-bin/printme2005.pl

Search warrant, sisters' story don't jibe
Motorcyclist shot in Bogart
By Joe Johnson | joe.johnson@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 12:04 AM on Wednesday, March 5, 2008
After their father shot and killed a motorcyclist last week, two Bogart sisters told a harrowing story of how the man slammed his bike into their car as he followed them home, leading their father to shoot in self-defense.

But if the road-rage chase played out the way they said, a sheriff's deputy missed the drama, even though he was parked along their path at the time.

A search warrant for their car seems to contradict the story the two sisters told investigators, that they called their father to say a motorcyclist intentionally rammed their car and was following them.

Richard "Ricky" Harold Gear was waiting at the end of his driveway on Gear Road in Bogart the night of Feb. 25, when his daughters arrived home, officials said, and he shot and killed motorcyclist Bryan Joseph "B.J." Mough as the biker drove past.

Mough died about an hour later at an Athens hospital, and deputies charged Gear with murder, though he claimed he shot in self-defense.

The sisters - Chelsea and Samantha Gear - told investigators the motorcycle cut off their car as both vehicles left the Target department store on Atlanta Highway in Athens, according to the affidavit obtained by the Banner-Herald under the Georgia Open Records Act.

The warrant, signed Thursday by an Oconee County Magistrate Court judge, was used to seize the Gear sisters' 1993 Nissan Sentra so investigators could look for signs of the collision the young women described.

"Chelsea Gear stated that she did not have any more contact with the motorcycle until it passed her on the left in front of the Pepsi plant at the intersection of Atlanta Highway and U.S. Highway 78," Oconee sheriff's investigator Kevin Nolley wrote in the affidavit.

The car "came up behind the motorcycle" at a traffic light at Burson Avenue in Bogart, where Chelsea Gear said she "flipped off" Mough as she turned right toward downtown Bogart, according to the affidavit.

MULTIMEDIA PDF: Read copies of the application for a search warrant as well as the actual warrant to seize the vehicle driven by Chelsea and Samantha Gear at the time of the crash:

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Mough, who was headed through the traffic light toward Winder, followed the car onto North Burson Avenue, according to Chelsea Gear, who added that she "gunned" her car onto Elder Street, and Mough cut through a yard at the intersection and rammed the driver's side of her car, the affidavit says.

Chelsea Gear told deputies the motorcyclist raced ahead, but soon after appeared behind the Sentra again as she drove home.

Berry would not say if investigators found evidence a motorcycle drove through the yard, or disclose whether the Gear sisters called their father before or after the collision.

"If it's not in the affidavit, I'm not going to address it," the sheriff said.

The affidavit does not address the shooting.

But the investigator wrote that he spoke with Deputy Ken Elrod, who was on patrol in Bogart at the time.

"Elrod was in his marked patrol car parked in front of the Bogart Christian Church at the intersection of Elder Street and Broad Street ... backed into a parking space facing the intersection," according to the affidavit. "Elrod states that neither a motorcycle nor a Nissan Sentra passed in front of him during the time described by Chelsea Gear."

Investigators have only the word of the Gear sisters to go on; they haven't found any witnesses who saw a chase or collision, officials said.

Members of the Georgia State Patrol's Specialized Collision Reconstruction Team examined the seized Sentra and have preliminary findings, but officials won't say what they are.

On Monday, Barry conceded that "it would be highly unusual" for someone to ram a four-wheel vehicle with a two-wheel vehicle.

Berry also is skeptical of Gear's self-defense claim.

"I don't know how you shoot someone in the back when you claim they were trying to run you over," the sheriff said.

Gear is represented by Athens attorney Edward Tolley, who has not returned telephone calls this week.


Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 030508
 

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UPDATE #2

http://www.onlineathens.com/cgi-bin/printme2005.pl
Sheriff: 'Good grasp' of what led to shooting
By Joe Johnson | joe.johnson@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 12:15 AM on Friday, March 7, 2008
Witnesses have given authorities a clearer picture of what happened last week when a motorcyclist who followed two sisters to their home was shot and killed by their father, Oconee County Sheriff Scott Berry said.

Investigators still haven't found any witnesses to the actual shooting that killed 21-year-old Bryan Joseph "B.J." Mough, however, Berry said Thursday.

Police charged the girls' father, Richard Harold "Ricky" Gear, 46, with murder.

Until this week, investigators had only the words of Chelsea and Samantha Gear, who said a Winder man rammed his motorcycle into their car as he followed them home the night of Feb. 25, leading their father to shoot in self-defense.

Investigators have interviewed people who saw snippets of what happened between an Athens department store, where Mough allegedly cut off the Gear sisters' car, and after the road-rage chase entered Bogart's city limits, Berry said.

"By use of witness statements, technology and good, old-fashioned police work, we have a pretty good grasp on the events that took place," the sheriff said.

MULTIMEDIA PDF: Read copies of the application for a search warrant as well as the actual warrant to seize the vehicle driven by Chelsea and Samantha Gear at the time of the crash:

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Berry would not elaborate, but said investigators will meet with the district attorney next week to discuss the case.

Meanwhile, Gear is expected to appear April 4 in Oconee County Magistrate Court for a procedural hearing, in which a judge will tell Gear about the murder charge he faces and ask if he has legal representation.

Gear has hired Athens attorney Edward Tolley, who has not returned telephone calls seeking comment.

But Tolley on Thursday filed several motions, including one requesting a preliminary hearing for a judge to decide if there's enough evidence to support the murder charge.

Tolley also is asking a judge to issue a gag order in the case and to grant him permission to question grand jurors before prosecutors seek an indictment to see if they've been swayed by pre-trial publicity.

The attorney also noted that deputies escorted as many as 100 motorcyclists to a brief memorial service for Mough near Gear's home.

"By escorting the bikers to the Gear home, Sheriff Berry set up Mr. Gear's wife and daughters to possible retribution or retaliation by someone who might decide to take the law into their own hands," Tolley's motion states. "Such an act by a law enforcement official is totally reckless and unconscionable. It falls in the category of 'What were you thinking?' "

A hearing date on the motions hasn't been scheduled.


Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 030708
 

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By escorting the bikers to the Gear home, Sheriff Berry set up Mr. Gear's wife and daughters to possible retribution or retaliation by someone who might decide to take the law into their own hands

He's scared somebody might take the law into their own hands? What exactly does he think his client was doing? It's called Karma, and people don't need to be led to their house to figure out where they live. Especially considering their names are already all over the place.

His clients actions certainly do fall under the category of "what were you thinking?"

Interesting how all of his complaining really goes to show how messed up this man's (And the girl's) actions were. I'm more towards blaming the father, as it's becoming apparent where these girls got their attitudes. Plus that young man probably wouldn't be dead if the father had not shot him in the back.

How pathetic is that? Really.
 

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I think the police escort was to keep the bikers from exacting retribution during the memorial service.
 

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Oh, I can almost guarantee you it was. I'd imagine they'd want to hold the memorial service right where he was shot if possible.
 

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Citizen wrote:
I think the police escort was to keep the bikers from exacting retribution during the memorial service.
unreconstructed1 wrote:
I would say the police escort was to keep someone from using a motorcycle convoy as a shooting range myself.
I'm guessing it was both. The PD didn't want any problems period so thought it better to escort with dignity than to show up to a problem in the middle of a memorial.
 

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deepdiver wrote:
Citizen wrote:
I think the police escort was to keep the bikers from exacting retribution during the memorial service.
unreconstructed1 wrote:
I would say the police escort was to keep someone from using a motorcycle convoy as a shooting range myself.
I'm guessing it was both. The PD didn't want any problems period so thought it better to escort with dignity than to show up to a problem in the middle of a memorial.
Exactly, they knew this was a higly volitale situation and anything they could do to try and deter violence was appropriate. I don't think they were violating anyone's rights or trying to make any kind of statement, just being prepared.
 

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I still think that this was a misunderstanding, or that there are more facts to this matter than the original article. I have a feeling that this shooting was in self defense as far as the father was concerned, but based on bad intel from the girls. In fact, I think that anyone who doesn't at least somewhat understand that as a possibility hasn't had much experience with girls.
 

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expvideo wrote:
I still think that this was a misunderstanding, or that there are more facts to this matter than the original article. I have a feeling that this shooting was in self defense as far as the father was concerned, but based on bad intel from the girls. In fact, I think that anyone who doesn't at least somewhat understand that as a possibility hasn't had much experience with girls.
I see what you're saying, but didn't the father shoot the dude in the back as he was riding away?
 

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expvideo wrote:
I still think that this was a misunderstanding, or that there are more facts to this matter than the original article. I have a feeling that this shooting was in self defense as far as the father was concerned, but based on bad intel from the girls. In fact, I think that anyone who doesn't at least somewhat understand that as a possibility hasn't had much experience with girls.
I don't know what kind of experience you are refereing to but I have a wife and three grown daughters and a lot more facts are going to have to come out before I can remotely see this as self defense. Maybe some other flimsy excuse but not self defense.
 
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