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    Well Rep. Urquhart is really showing his true colors now.

    He has proposed an amendment to Oda's HB 473 that would codify that firearms must be kept concealed on school premises. ALL of them, including day cares and grade schools, as well as colleges. No more permitted open carry to vote if your polling place is in a school.

    Violation is an infraction. Inadvertent, unintentional, or accidental exposure would not count,but are not defined. I'm guessing too short of a jacket or "casually concealed" would be a tell defense to make.

    http://le.utah.gov/~2008/pamend/hb0473.hfa.01.htm

    Please contact your rep and oppose this amendment. If you live in Urquhart's district in St. George, or have family or friends who do, please ask them to contact Urquhart and POLITELY voice their disagreement with this position.

    Imagine the college requiring gay or jewish students and faculty to "stay in the closet". So why mandate that gun owners remain in the closet?

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    This amendment goes completely against why AG Shurtleff helped write the bill. He has unofficially opined that open carry is permitted! I've contacted my Rep, I hope all will do the same!

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    Watch out folks - this "clarification" bill may turn in to a substanative change bill!

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    Rep. Oda should be willing to kill this bill if this is adopted. The current law is clear by it's lack of prohibition that open carry of a loaded pistol is legal with a CFP.

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    utbagpiper wrote:
    Please contact your rep and oppose this amendment.
    Just sent my email to Rep. Painter.
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    My representative just got my email expressing my disdain for this amendment. And, as is altogether fitting and proper, this makes seven in the last four months. Earlier emails requested legislation reversing an existing (and unfavorable) gun law. I was very surprised (and thrilled) to get a response informing me that after conferring with another representative, the gears are turning to get this bill before the House.

    Speak up and speak out!

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    FAR worse than I first thought. At first blush this amendment seems to only prevent OC in schools. But it goes WAY beyond that.

    Even with a permit, open carry would be illegal on or within 1000 feet of any private or public school, or in or within 1000 feet of "those portions of any building, park, stadium, or other structure or grounds which are, at the time of the act, being used for an activity sponsored by or through a school." References below. Put in brief, this amendment stands the current law on its head. Currently a person with a permit can legally OC virtually ANYWHERE in the State other than clearly posted off limits locations. NO PROSECUTOR or cop has ever been able to find a single statute to the contrary. But with this amendment in place suddenly huge areas of the State become illegal to OC even with a permit. How many places in urban areas are NOT within 1000 feet of a school? Want to take your gun for an open carry stroll to the park only to find out that the local grade school has reserved the pavillon that day and everything within 1000 feet is now off limits? This amendment must be defeated. Winning on HB 473 is nice, but not essential this year, IMO. Letting this amendment pass would be catastophic.

    The amendment reads in relevant part:

    The permittee shall conceal the firearm on the permittee if carrying it on about school premises under Subsection 76-10-505.5(3)(a)
    Here is existing code:

    76-10-505.5. Possession of a dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun on or about school premises -- Penalties.
    (1) A person may not possess any dangerous weapon, firearm, or sawed-off shotgun, as those terms are defined in Section 76-10-501, at a place that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is on or about school premises as defined in Subsection 76-3-203.2(1).
    And the definition given in 76-3-203.2(1), which is the only logical definition to use for "school premises" if this amendment passes is: 76-3-203.2. Definitions -- Use of dangerous weapon in offenses committed on or about school premises -- Enhanced penalties.
    (1) (a) As used in this section and Section 76-10-505.5, "on or about school premises" means any of the following:
    (i) in a public or private elementary, secondary, or on the grounds of any of those schools;
    (ii) in a public or private vocational school or postsecondary institution or on the grounds of any of those schools or institutions;
    (iii) in those portions of any building, park, stadium, or other structure or grounds which are, at the time of the act, being used for an activity sponsored by or through a school or institution under Subsections (1)(a)(i) and (ii);
    (iv) in or on the grounds of a preschool or child-care facility; and
    (v) within 1,000 feet of any structure, facility, or grounds included in Subsections (1)(a)(i), (ii), (iii), and (iv).

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    Lonnie Wilson wrote:
    Rep. Oda should be willing to kill this bill if this is adopted.
    Lets hope this amendment is shot down quickly. If this amendment is added, can Rep. Oda kill the whole thing???
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    Most states allow the sponsor to withdraw the bill.

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    Lonnie Wilson wrote:
    Most states allow the sponsor to withdraw the bill.
    Mabye we should all shoot an email or call Rep Oda ASAP and ask him to withdraw it if the amendment passes... A little preemptive strike on our part...


    Edit: Email sent to coda@utah.gov

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    jaredbelch wrote:
    Mabye we should all shoot an email or call Rep Oda ASAP and ask him to withdraw it if the amendment passes... A little preemptive strike on our part...


    Edit: Email sent to coda@utah.gov
    Done.
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    Anyone care to post a copy of the e-mail that you sent? It might be helpful for those of us who are not quite as well versed or eloquentin these matters.

    It would probably be more effective than sending something that goes like this...

    "What are you out of your f***ing mind!?! Vote NO on this amendment!":what:

    Anything more appropriate would be appreciated.







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    ATVjunkie wrote:
    Anyone care to post a copy of the e-mail that you sent? It might be helpful for those of us who are not quite as well versed or eloquentin these matters.

    It would probably be more effective than sending something that goes like this...

    "What are you out of your f***ing mind!?! Vote NO on this amendment!":what:
    Maybe that would work better! :P

    Here is the e-mail I sent to my Representative...

    Rep. Painter,

    I am writing you as a resident of your district to ask you to OPPOSE Rep. Stephen Urquhart's amendment to Rep. Curtis Oda's HB 473. This ammendment would codify that firearms must be kept concealed on school premises.

    This, of course, is the exact opposite of what HB 473 was drafted for, and a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution. Lets not forget Article 1, Section 6 of the Utah State Constitution. ANY legislation to further restrict lawful firearm owners only serves to infringe on the rights of the law abiding.

    It is the unofficial opinion of Attorney General Mark Shurtleff that Concealed Firearm Permit holders do not have the duty to conceal, only the privilege. Please OPPOSE Rep. Stephen Urquhart amendment to HB 473.

    Thank You!
    And here is the email I sent to Representative Curtis Oda...

    Rep. Oda,

    I am writing you in regards to Rep. Stephen Urquhart amendment to Rep. HB 473. This amendment has the exact opposite effect of what we gun owners had hoped for. If this amendment is allowed to be attached, it will effectively criminalize open carry on or about school premises.

    As an avid open carrier, it would be nearly impossible to chart and track the 1000 foot perimeter around every school in my area. While I do have a concealed Firearm Permit, the very idea of hiding my weapon makes me feel like I am doing something wrong.

    If this amendment is allowed to pass, please consider withdrawing HB 473. The de facto legality of open carry is far better than further restriction.

    Thank You!
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    Thanks, Sgt. Very nicely done.

    Guys, unless you want to lose the ability to OC at any school in the State you need to contact not only your own Reps, but also your Senator, and then leadership in both houses. The Speaker and Senate President have a LOT of pull.

    If you are a GOP delegate, simply say so. If not, and you are planning to be elected one this March, mention that you are going to be seeking a delegate spot. Do NOT make any overt threats about voting against anyone. Simply make clear that you are a constituent and delegate (or plan to be a delegate) in those cases where you can honestly do so. In other cases, simply note that their vote affects the entire State and therefore you'd like them to consider your opinion. Get family and friends to send emails.

    You can literally cut and paste so long as the subject line is clear: "Please vote NO on Urqarhart's amendment to HB 473," and the salutation is correct.

    Emails are the first step. Those who are serious, need to also make some calls this weekend to homes. Be VERY polite and simply ask them to vote no on Urquhart's amendment.

    Full contact info can be found at <http://www.goutahorg.org/> and clicking on "Legislative Contacts." It includes home phone numbers.

    If you get a machine or a spouse, just leave a brief message and ask for a call back.

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    Utah Shooting Sports Council URGENT ACTION ALERT 2/29/08
    Immediate action required- GUN RIGHTS THREATENED!

    ***************
    --- Background on HB 473 (Firearms Amendments)
    --- IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
    --- (1) Call, FAX or Email YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IMMEDIATELY!
    --- (2) Pass this alert to other gun owners!
    --- SUGGESTED FAX/ PHONE MESSAGE/ EMAIL Message

    *****************
    RESTRICTIONS ON LEGAL SELF DEFENSE GUNS MUST BE STOPPED!
    Once again, the anti-gun extremists from the University of Utah are
    trying to restrict legally carried self defense weapons. They now
    make the absurd claim that a CWP REQUIRES you to CONCEAL a self
    defense gun, and that it must never be seen. There is NO, repeat NO
    prohibition on “open carry” by CWP holders in Utah law, as far as we
    can tell.

    Pro-gun Representative Curt Oda introduced HB 473 (“Firearms
    Amendments”)to clarify this important point, and it passed a House
    Committee by a vote of 9-0.

    However, Rep. Steve Urquhart (R- St. George), chairman of the
    powerful Rules Committee, and Speaker of the House Greg Curtis (R-
    Sandy) have been fighting every pro-gun rights bill this session,
    effectively blocking "parking lot" reforms and "Katrina gun seizure"
    safeguards.

    Urquhart has an amendment to HB 473 which twists HB 473 into a BAN on
    visible legal self defense guns!

    WE MUST GET HB 473 PASSED IN ITS CURRENT FORM!

    WE MUST STOP URQUHART’S AMENDMENT WHEN IT COMES UP IN THE HOUSE!
    Urquhart and his anti-gun pals will try to ram this through during
    the chaos of the last three days of the session (Monday, Tuesday and
    Wednesday).

    ***************
    TWO IMMEDIATE ACTION STEPS REQUIRED:

    1. Phone, FAX or email YOUR Representative IMMEDIATELY! DO THIS NOW-
    AND ALL WEEKEND!
    2. Pass this alert to all your friends interested in gun rights.

    ***************
    CONTACTING LEGISLATORS
    They are busy, and don't need a long discussion, just a point or two
    from those in the suggested email below. Be VERY polite, and do not
    call after 9:00 PM. Phone calls are best, FAX is good, and emails
    least effective, but they all count. Do all three if you like, and
    to as many members as you can. Keep trying all weekend and on Monday
    until you get through to them. Contact YOUR representative first,
    then Speaker Curtis and Rep. Urquhart and then any other
    Representatives.

    To identify your Representative and get their phone and email address
    use this handy map tool: http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/DistrictInfo/
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    If you already know your Representative’s name, you can get their
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    ***************
    SUGGESTED FAX/ PHONE MESSAGE/ EMAIL (cut and paste into your email
    form):
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    Subject: SUPPORT HB 473 (Firearms Amendments) with NO CHANGES!

    Dear Representative ___________ [insert name]

    I urge you to vote YES on HB 473 (Firearms Amendments) as presented
    by Rep. Curt Oda WITHOUT CHANGES. This is an important clarification
    of a gray area of the law.

    I urge you to vote NO on any AMENDMENTS to HB 473, for the following
    reasons:

    1. There are plenty of laws against people other than permit holders
    having guns on campus, threatening others with weapons, and violent
    criminal acts. Paranoid fears that the sight of legally carried self
    defense gun may incite panic are flimsy excuses.

    2. Amendments to this bill are just another attempt by the
    Universities to impose their demands for a campus-wide ban on LEGALLY
    carried self defense weapons.

    3. Implied threats from the University of Utah to resume federal
    lawsuits are reprehensible, and Legislators should not be intimidated
    by them.

    4. Far from making campuses safer, this bill only infringes on self
    defense by the good guys, making campuses more attractive to criminals.

    5. Existing laws cover violent criminal acts, threatening others with
    weapons, and restrict carrying legal self defense weapons by anyone
    but permit holders.


    Please defeat ALL AMENDMENTS to HB 473 and PASS THE CLEAN BILL!
    Sincerely,
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    You guys need to read the article that mad into the Weber State newspaper
    www.wsusignpost.com/media/storage/paper985/news/2008/02/29/News/Concealed.Weapons.House.Bill.Uncovers.Gun.Issue-3243974.shtml]http://media.http://www.wsusignpost.com/media/sto...-3243974.shtml[/url]
    See below for article...
    Concealed weapons: House Bill uncovers gun issue

    Hyrum Rappleye
    Issue date: 2/29/08 Section: www.wsusignpost.com/news/2008/02/29/News/]News[/url]




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    Concealed weapon permit holders may be able to carry their gun in the open if House Bill 473 is passed in the Utah State Legislature.

    On Feb. 18, The House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee unanimously passed HB 473. Sen. Curt Oda, representative of Clearfield and the chief sponsor of the bill, said he expects it to be debated on the House floor within the next week and expects the bill to be passed. However, he said he doubts people will begin to carry their weapons in the open.

    The purpose of HB 473 is to clarify the current law pertaining to concealed weapon permit holders. For now, many law enforcement agencies interpret the law to mean that permit holders must keep the weapon concealed or could face serious charges.

    "At this point, police officers can arrest you for brandishing," said Sam Riley, a Weber State University design graphics and engineering technology junior, "but with this bill, it's good because you would have to be waving the gun around to be arrested. You couldn't be arrested for accidental visibility. I hope it goes all the way through the process."

    The highlighted change to HB 473 provides a definition for the concealed firearm permit that allows, but does not require, the concealment of the firearm on the person with the permit.

    If passed, concealed weapon permit holders could openly carry their guns and may not fear charges.

    Even though a background check is passed before a concealed weapon permit is received, it does not qualify the person to carry a weapon in the open. According to Utah State law, the only people permitted to carry a weapon in the open are those who are involved with keeping the peace, such as police officers.

    "Having a weapon visible is intimidating and a bad influence on the environment," said Dwayne Abbott, a political science junior. "A student could abuse it. But, in a way, it's a good thing because having a weapon in the open on their hip, everyone knows about it. Due to the fear of it, people won't do anything bad so as not to be a target."
    Riley said that visibly carrying a gun could have some negative effects, even in a situation such as a campus shooting.

    "If, hypothetically, there was a shooter on campus," Riley said, "and they walked into a room and saw a student carrying in the open, he's going to be the first shot. I would want to have the surprise on the shooter. I'd want to get him before he got me to protect myself. How can you protect yourself if you are a target?"

    HB 473 is meant only to clarify the concealed weapons permit law, but, with the new changes, potential problems may arise.

    "There exist potential problems when a person carries in the open," Abbott said. "How are they going to regulate who has a permit to carry? If it's concealed, nobody knows about it and it doesn't cause problems."

    Riley said he thinks students have the right to protect themselves, but someone choosing to openly carrying a gun on campus is going to receive a lot of bad attention.

    Monday, a criminal justice professor walked into the Social Science building carrying a rifle in a case, and bystanders did not recognize him as a member of the criminal justice department, so they called the police. In turn, the Social Science building was locked down. He was going to the crime lab to perform forensic testing on the weapon.

    Another bill (SB67) sponsored by Sen. Mark B. Madsen, Lehi representative, is being debated on the House floor. SB67 would "prohibit certain persons from creating or enforcing a policy that prohibits the storage of firearms in a motor vehicle parked on property owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the person."

    SB67 would make it legal for anyone, whether they had a concealed weapon permit or not, to store a loaded weapon in their car in any parking lot in Utah, including WSU.

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    CALL YOUR REP THIS WEEKEND TO DEFEAT THE ANTI-GUN URQUHART AMENDMENT!

    House Speaker Greg Curtis and House Rules Committee Chairman Steve
    Urquhart have turned against us this session by effectively killing
    both of the great pro-gun bills that passed the Senate. Now they’ve
    set their sights on turning HB 473 (Rep. Curt Oda’s excellent open-
    carry bill) into an anti-gun bill by adding a hideous amendment to
    it, called Floor Amendment 1.

    This amendment is sponsored by Rep. Urquhart, and it was drafted
    hastily and in secret. It was written so fast that it even has a
    typo on it!

    The Urquhart amendment actually creates new gun-carry restrictions
    throughout the state. In particular, it would make it a crime for a
    permit-holder to openly carry a firearm in many places where it is
    currently legal to do so. This amendment is plain old-fashioned gun
    control, pure and simple, and it was likely written at the behest of
    the anti-gun administrators of the University of Utah. Currently,
    according to our reading of the Utah Code, it's legal for a permit
    holder to openly carry his self-defense weapon at that U. of U.
    We've heard stories of campus police harassing people who do this
    (which is why HB 473 was introduced, to prevent such harassment), but
    to our knowledge they've never actually arrested anyone because they
    know there's nothing they can arrest them for, because they're not
    breaking any laws. If Floor Amendment 1 passes, the campus police
    will actually be able to fine or arrest permit holders for carrying
    openly.

    HB 473, which GOUtah! supports, does not change the law. It merely
    clarifies that a permit-holder can openly carry anywhere that he can
    legally carry concealed. This is already the law, but HB 473 merely
    makes it extra-crystal clear so that it will not be subject to
    misinterpretation by boneheaded public servants.

    However, the Urquhart Amendment (Floor Amendment 1), which will be
    introduced on the House floor on Monday morning, would actually put a
    whole bunch of complicated restrictions on the carrying of firearms.
    We’re still deciphering the language, but thus far we’ve found a lot
    of bad things in this amendment. To fully understand this amendment,
    you have to read and cross-reference the sections of the existing
    code that define such things as “concealed” and “school”. We’ve done
    this, but we don’t have time to explain it all here.

    Under the Urquhart amendment, a permit holder can’t openly carry a
    firearm within 1,000 feet of any day-care facility, pre-school, K-12
    school, college, or university in the state. To do so would become a
    crime (which it currently isn’t). Furthermore, under the Urquhart
    amendment, if you have a firearm with you and you’re within 1,000
    feet of a day-care facility, pre-school, K-12 school, college or
    university, the firearm must be concealed ON YOUR PERSON. Meaning
    that you can’t have it concealed in your purse or backpack. If you
    have a firearm locked in a case, for example, that firearm can’t be
    carried within 1,000 feet of any day-care facility, pre-school, K-12
    school, college, or university in the state.

    Under the Urquhart amendment, if you were carrying a concealed
    firearm on your person with a permit, it would become a crime for you
    to take off your jacket in numerous places throughout the state,
    where it is currently not a crime for you to do so.

    Under the Urquhart amendment, an adult college student with a
    concealed firearm permit living on-campus would become a criminal if
    he carried his unloaded target rifle from his car to his dorm room in
    a locked suitcase.

    All of these things, and other things, that are currently legal for
    permit holders to do would become criminal acts under the Urquhart
    amendment. Thus, if the Urquhart amendment gets attached to HB 473,
    we’ll actually lose ground. We’ll be giving up some of our existing
    rights without gaining anything at all in return. That’s a very bad
    bargain.

    Please see the action item below and call your Utah State
    Representative this weekend.


    ACTION ITEM

    Please call your Utah State Representative at home this weekend. If
    you don’t call him this weekend, then please send him a message the
    first thing Monday morning, as this bill will be heard on Monday.

    Ask them to vote against the Urquhart amendment to HB 473, also known
    as “Floor Amendment #1”, and to vote against HB 473 if the Urquhart
    amendment or any other hostile amendment gets attached. It is
    imperative that we prevent the Urquhart amendment or anything like it
    from becoming law, even if it means that we have to kill HB 473.
    Emphasize that you support HB 473 only in its current form, without
    amendments. Floor Amendment #1 (the Urquhart Amendment) must be
    defeated at all costs, even if it means killing the entire bill.

    Special note: If you are a convention delegate or other office
    holder in the political party to which your rep belongs, please tell
    him this. Or if you are thinking of becoming a delegate this spring,
    please tell him this.

    In addition, House Speaker Greg Curtis and Rep. Urquhart need to have
    their phones ringing off the hook this weekend, with hundreds of
    people calling them to ask them to pass HB 473 WITHOUT AMENDMENTS and
    to kill the Urquhart amendment (Floor Amendment #1).

    To get your own representative’s home phone number and e-mail, go to
    http://www.goutahorg.org and click on “legislative contacts”. Many
    reps probably only access their House e-mail when they’re at the
    Capitol, so phone calls are best over the weekend.

    If you use the phone, just leave a simple message such as: “I’m a gun
    owner and an active voter and I’m calling in regard to HB 473.
    Please do whatever you have to do to prevent Floor Amendment 1 from
    becoming law, even this means killing HB 473 completely. HB 473
    should only pass without amendments.”

    House Speaker Greg Curtis:
    Home phone: 801-943-3091
    e-mail: gcurtis@utah.gov

    Rep. Steven Urquhart:
    Office phone in St. George: 435-656-4424
    e-mail: surquhart@utah.gov

    Utah State House of Representatives
    350 N. State Street, Suite 350
    Salt Lake City, UT 84114
    House switchboard (for leaving voice messages): 801-538-1029
    Fax for Republican representatives: 801-326-1544
    Fax for Democratic representatives: 801-326-1539

    __________________________________________
    That concludes GOUtah! Alert #290 – 29 February 2008.
    Copyright 2008 by GOUtah!. All rights reserved.



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    Dear Rep. ________________________:

    As an active voter and gun owner living in your district, I ask you
    to do everything in your power to prevent Rep. Steve Urquhart’s
    amendment to HB 473 (Floor Amendment 1) from becoming law. While I
    strongly support HB 473 in its current form, I would ask you to
    oppose the entire bill and try to kill it if Floor Amendment 1 (or
    anything like it) gets attached. Floor Amendment 1 would turn HB 473
    into a gun-control bill by adding new restrictions that don’t exist
    in the current law.

    Floor Amendment 1 was hastily drafted (note that it even contains
    typos) and, if you cross-reference it with the relevant portions of
    the Utah Code, you’ll find that it would add various unacceptable
    restrictions to the existing gun-carry laws and create numerous
    unintended consequences, such as making it a crime for a female
    concealed-weapon permit holder to have a firearm concealed in her
    purse if she comes within 1,000 feet of any day-care center, pre-
    school, K-12 school, college, or university in the state. And Floor
    Amendment 1 would make it a crime for a permit-holder to openly carry
    a self-defense weapon in thousands of places throughout the state
    where it is currently legal to do so, many of which are vaguely
    defined (such as thousand-foot zones around day-care centers operated
    in private homes, which are defined as "schools" under the relevant
    section of the existing code).

    Please vote AGAINST Floor Amendment 1 (or any similar amendments that
    might be offered) and do whatever you need to do to prevent it from
    becoming law, even if this means killing HB 473.

    Please get back to me and let me know how you voted. Thanks for
    taking time to consider my views on this matter.

    Sincerely,






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    For those wishing to contact Rep. Steve Urquhart over the weekend, he does have a listed home phone number. Be sure to be extra polite when calling legislators at home and even doubly so if you get a spouse instead. Avoid calling too early in the morning, or later than 10:00 pm. Mrs. Urquhart, in particular, is a lovely lady and an old friend of mine from high school, so please be very polite if she answers.

    Do leave a message, and ask for a call back. Be brief.

    Thank you.

    Steve Urquhart Saint George, UT 84770
    (435) 673-4424
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

    "With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible."
    --Marxist.org

    "Communism and Anarchy [are], a necessary complement to one another. "
    --PETER KROPOTKIN, "Anarchism: its philosophy and ideal." 1898.

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