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My run in with the Cops today

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:ptarzan1888 wrote:
SGT Jensen wrote:
Mainsail wrote:
ComSec wrote:
Note I have ODD veiws if you are easly offended dont read it


Questions Comments welcome

I'm offended that our public schools have failed us so badly that this is the result. I don’t mean to offend the OP, but this reads like gibberish.

Sadly, Mainsail, I have [tried to] read some posts here that are nearly impossible.

No paragraphs, no periods, no capitalization. Even keys as large as a space bar get neglected.

you already seem to know the answer.they have no clue about firearms.this is southern NE.it's all about feel good politics.not things that actually make a difference.not to mention,common sense it interferes with Ct's reputation as a criminal friendly state.this is the home of corruption.unless the sheep grow some balls,nothing is gonna change. they mow the grass on the highways here in december,january,and february and no one says a word.if they plowed snow in july,no one would say anything either.

You are right Kevin.

I find myself reading it like a rap song.

Tarzan
:p:celebrate
 

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PT111 wrote:
FightingGlock19 wrote:
ComSec wrote:
I have been waiting to get stopped by the police for some time to see how much I could push it.
seems like that's a running theme on this forum. I may not agree with the whole OC lifestyle, but the more good guys carrying guns the better. "Waiting to get stopped by the police," should NOT be the reason for somebody to carry a gun. Seeing how far the officer can be "pushed," is idiocy, in itself.

I've read, on these forums, a common want of persons who open carry is they want LE to "leave them alone." How is that officer going to see those who open carry, now? It may be legal, however, giving the officer a hard time is only going to give the next guy open carrying an even harder time.

For  awhile I just wondered about this but lately I have read several posts that conformed my suspicions that some choose to OC just to confront someone.  Self defense seems to be secondary or not even a concern.  I know that the "public" needs to be educated about the "right" to carry a gun but for me that right is to provide another method of defending myself from the BG.

There have been recent posts by someone going into a store and walking around asking clerks for something stupid just to get their attention and them making sure that they saw the gun.  Another one where someone saw several LEO in a 7-11 store and went in just to test their reaction. Do we really want to flaunt our right to carry a gun like there is something naughty about it?  As football coaches like to say, "Act like you been there before".   Most of us do not want any hassle from LEO but it is going to be hard to get to that point when some go out ot their way to hassle the LEO.  When you dare a LEO to arrest you he is probably going to find something to arrest you for.

You are right PT111.

We will get much farther by making friends of enemies.

The saint was a good example of this.

He was not "In your face" but just doing what he needed to do.

There are good examples and bad examples of OC encounters.

We need to remember and learn, both what to do and what not to do.


Tarzan
 

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ComSec wrote:
Well that NOT why I carry, i dont flaunt it, I dont want to get stopped. But it is a fact the police are going to give problems. Including in my situation its very aggrevating to be stopped, do to the fact of not having a birth cert, drivers lic, or SSN

I was testing the waters when they stopped me but it wasnt related to the gun, and I wasnt trying to get stopped

and yes the grammer and spelling sucks thats part of the dumbing down of society! and the internet age, im 24 and can type better that I can spell LOL

That is good ComSec.

Any OC encounter that you walk away from with your freedom and your gun is a good one.

You did do well. I remember my first and second encounter.

The first was with the County Mounties and then as I walked away from that one, toward my truck, I had my second with the state police.

I did some things right and some things I would do a little differently now.

I learned, and we hope you learn too.

This can be a tough forum, but we want our cause to go forward and want to help each other do better in the future.

;) Hang in there and learn. You did good, but next time you will do better.

Tarzan
 

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tarzan1888 wrote:
ComSec wrote:
Well that NOT why I carry, i dont flaunt it, I dont want to get stopped. But it is a fact the police are going to give problems. Including in my situation its very aggrevating to be stopped, do to the fact of not having a birth cert, drivers lic, or SSN

I was testing the waters when they stopped me but it wasnt related to the gun, and I wasnt trying to get stopped

and yes the grammer and spelling sucks thats part of the dumbing down of society! and the internet age, im 24 and can type better that I can spell LOL

That is good ComSec.

Any OC encounter that you walk away from with your freedom and your gun is a good one.

You did do well. I remember my first and second encounter.

The first was with the County Mounties and then as I walked away from that one, toward my truck, I had my second with the state police.

I did some things right and some things I would do a little differently now.

I learned, and we hope you learn too.

This can be a tough forum, but we want our cause to go forward and want to help each other do better in the future.

;) Hang in there and learn. You did good, but next time you will do better.

Tarzan
Did you read my "2 sec stop" thread
 

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I dont think I posted it here sorry.

HERE

I was out walking (I was carrying as usual) did about 8 miles and about 200 ft from my house a cop pulls over and stops me. He walked up to me and I walked up to him, note my hands were and my side left hand in my pocket and right hand by my pistol. this is what was said.

Cop- Nathan right?

Me- Yep

Cop- we've contacted you before?

Me- yea but I contacted you guys first

Cop- yea you did

Cop- ok you know not to reach for it right?

Me- as long as you don't go for yours first (with a big grin:)

Me- why did you stop me?

Cop- I just wanted to ask you some questions about what your doing and were you have been. ( as he is pulling out his note pad)

Me- am I free to go?

Cop- Yea, you don't want to talk?

Me- No, thanks (I shook his hand and walked away)

This was a polite cop no problems, he shouldn't have stopped me but he didn't push ether. I couldn't help but to laugh as I walked away. He had a look like "what just happened"
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ComSec wrote:
I dont think I posted it here sorry.

HERE

I was out walking (I was carrying as usual) did about 8 miles and about 200 ft from my house a cop pulls over and stops me. He walked up to me and I walked up to him, note my hands were and my side left hand in my pocket and right hand by my pistol. this is what was said.

Cop- Nathan right?

Me- Yep

Cop- we've contacted you before?

Me- yea but I contacted you guys first

Cop- yea you did

Cop- ok you know not to reach for it right?

Me- as long as you don't go for yours first (with a big grin:)

Me- why did you stop me?

Cop- I just wanted to ask you some questions about what your doing and were you have been. ( as he is pulling out his note pad)

Me- am I free to go?

Cop- Yea, you don't want to talk?

Me- No, thanks (I shook his hand and walked away)

This was a polite cop no problems, he shouldn't have stopped me but he didn't push ether. I couldn't help but to laugh as I walked away. He had a look like "what just happened"
smilielol.gif


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The line "as long as you don't go for yours first" was unwarranted, it doesn't help OC at all, if face, it makes the Brady Bunch happy as itreinforces the notion that we are nuts.Everything else in that encounter was ok, but honestly, that just ruined it and that line took away all credibility. Your goal should be to educate the local PD and show them it's not a problem, you'll accomplish that goal by just carrying like you normally do.
 

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ComSec wrote:
I dont think I posted it here sorry.

HERE

I was out walking (I was carrying as usual) did about 8 miles and about 200 ft from my house a cop pulls over and stops me. He walked up to me and I walked up to him, note my hands were and my side left hand in my pocket and right hand by my pistol. this is what was said.

Cop- Nathan right?

Me- Yep

Cop- we've contacted you before?

Me- yea but I contacted you guys first

Cop- yea you did

Cop- ok you know not to reach for it right?

Me- as long as you don't go for yours first (with a big grin:)

Me- why did you stop me?

Cop- I just wanted to ask you some questions about what your doing and were you have been. ( as he is pulling out his note pad)

Me- am I free to go?

Cop- Yea, you don't want to talk?

Me- No, thanks (I shook his hand and walked away)

This was a polite cop no problems, he shouldn't have stopped me but he didn't push ether. I couldn't help but to laugh as I walked away. He had a look like "what just happened"
smilielol.gif


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This would be called a "social contact". The cop stopped and talked to you and when you choose to leave, he watched you walk away. Perfectly legal on his part. Well done by both parties.
 

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Jared wrote:
ComSec wrote:
I dont think I posted it here sorry.

HERE

I was out walking (I was carrying as usual) did about 8 miles and about 200 ft from my house a cop pulls over and stops me. He walked up to me and I walked up to him, note my hands were and my side left hand in my pocket and right hand by my pistol. this is what was said.

Cop- Nathan right?

Me- Yep

Cop- we've contacted you before?

Me- yea but I contacted you guys first

Cop- yea you did

Cop- ok you know not to reach for it right?

Me- as long as you don't go for yours first (with a big grin:)

Me- why did you stop me?

Cop- I just wanted to ask you some questions about what your doing and were you have been. ( as he is pulling out his note pad)

Me- am I free to go?

Cop- Yea, you don't want to talk?

Me- No, thanks (I shook his hand and walked away)

This was a polite cop no problems, he shouldn't have stopped me but he didn't push ether. I couldn't help but to laugh as I walked away. He had a look like "what just happened"
smilielol.gif


Nate

Just sharin what happened it was funny
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The line "as long as you don't go for yours first" was unwarranted, it doesn't help OC at all, if face, it makes the Brady Bunch happy as itreinforces the notion that we are nuts.Everything else in that encounter was ok, but honestly, that just ruined it and that line took away all credibility. Your goal should be to educate the local PD and show them it's not a problem, you'll accomplish that goal by just carrying like you normally do.
As long as ComSec was smiling and making a joke of it, and the cop seems to have taken it that way, what the hell was the problem with it? It was a social contact, not a Terry stop.
 

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I know! This is the wrong site for me but I have to ask comsec a question.

Why don't you have any identification, Birth certificate, DL or SSN? To go out packing a pistol with no ID doesn't sound very smart or stable to me. Here in CO, I open carry all the time but, I make sure I have proper ID. Think man! Think.

Coorado
 

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colorado slick wrote:
I know! This is the wrong site for me but I have to ask comsec a question.

Why don't you have any identification, Birth certificate, DL or SSN? To go out packing a pistol with no ID doesn't sound very smart or stable to me. Here in CO, I open carry all the time but, I make sure I have proper ID. Think man! Think.

Coorado
In most states there is no law requiring you or anyone to have ID on them. So what is your issue?
 

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Bear 45/70 wrote:
colorado slick wrote:
I know! This is the wrong site for me but I have to ask comsec a question.

Why don't you have any identification, Birth certificate, DL or SSN? To go out packing a pistol with no ID doesn't sound very smart or stable to me. Here in CO, I open carry all the time but, I make sure I have proper ID. Think man! Think.

Coorado
In most states there is no law requiring you or anyone to have ID on them. So what is your issue?

Simple! You "go along" to "get along".

What happens if you are in a differant city or place where you are unknown and, you drop dead? No ID, well, its the unmarked grave with just a number. There is no "give in" to authority or law by having ID on your person. It is, in fact, very wise to do so.

I have, when carrying a weapon, had the "getting stopped" experience. The first thing one is asked is: ID please. I believe it is a part of law that one carries ID and the LEO has every right to ask one forID. If one doesn't have ID then the LEO is faced with a problem. After all, we must have laws which do protect us. Sure some are dumber than a pile of dog doo-doo but, they are there, they protect us and we must obey them. That is my point. Don't forget, an LEO is doing a very hard job and is putting his life on the line every minute he is on duty.

Colorado
 

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colorado slick wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
colorado slick wrote:
I know! This is the wrong site for me but I have to ask comsec a question.

Why don't you have any identification, Birth certificate, DL or SSN? To go out packing a pistol with no ID doesn't sound very smart or stable to me. Here in CO, I open carry all the time but, I make sure I have proper ID. Think man! Think.

Coorado
In most states there is no law requiring you or anyone to have ID on them. So what is your issue?

Simple! You "go along" to "get along".

What happens if you are in a differant city or place where you are unknown and, you drop dead? No ID, well, its the unmarked grave with just a number. There is no "give in" to authority or law by having ID on your person. It is, in fact, very wise to do so.

I have, when carrying a weapon, had the "getting stopped" experience. The first thing one is asked is: ID please. I believe it is a part of law that one carries ID and the LEO has every right to ask one forID. If one doesn't have ID then the LEO is faced with a problem. After all, we must have laws which do protect us. Sure some are dumber than a pile of dog doo-doo but, they are there, they protect us and we must obey them. That is my point. Don't forget, an LEO is doing a very hard job and is putting his life on the line every minute he is on duty.

Colorado

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colorado slick wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
colorado slick wrote:
I know! This is the wrong site for me but I have to ask comsec a question.

Why don't you have any identification, Birth certificate, DL or SSN? To go out packing a pistol with no ID doesn't sound very smart or stable to me. Here in CO, I open carry all the time but, I make sure I have proper ID. Think man! Think.

Coorado
In most states there is no law requiring you or anyone to have ID on them. So what is your issue?

Simple! You "go along" to "get along".

What happens if you are in a differant city or place where you are unknown and, you drop dead? No ID, well, its the unmarked grave with just a number. There is no "give in" to authority or law by having ID on your person. It is, in fact, very wise to do so.

I have, when carrying a weapon, had the "getting stopped" experience. The first thing one is asked is: ID please. I believe it is a part of law that one carries ID and the LEO has every right to ask one forID. If one doesn't have ID then the LEO is faced with a problem. After all, we must have laws which do protect us. Sure some are dumber than a pile of dog doo-doo but, they are there, they protect us and we must obey them. That is my point. Don't forget, an LEO is doing a very hard job and is putting his life on the line every minute he is on duty.

Colorado
First off, I never said I agree with his position. But what he is doing is legal and as long as you or anyone else stays legal, then by definition, you are "go along" to "get along." Your position is unreasonable because you want everyone to do it your way and your way only. You are sounding way to much like one of obama's morons, my way or the highway.
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If the state you are in does not require you to have a permit to own or posess a firearm (ex, The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts) then one only is required at best to give a Police Officer your name verbally. That is it. NO ID REQUIRED
 

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colorado slick wrote:
I believe it is a part of law that one carries ID and the LEO has every right to ask one forID.
Colorado

Please cite said law....no such law that I know of.....and, without RAS, an LEO has no authority to ask anyone anything above what anyone else might ask.
 

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jopencarry wrote:
colorado slick wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
colorado slick wrote:
I know! This is the wrong site for me but I have to ask comsec a question.

Why don't you have any identification, Birth certificate, DL or SSN? To go out packing a pistol with no ID doesn't sound very smart or stable to me. Here in CO, I open carry all the time but, I make sure I have proper ID. Think man! Think.

Coorado
In most states there is no law requiring you or anyone to have ID on them. So what is your issue?

Simple! You "go along" to "get along".

What happens if you are in a differant city or place where you are unknown and, you drop dead? No ID, well, its the unmarked grave with just a number. There is no "give in" to authority or law by having ID on your person. It is, in fact, very wise to do so.

I have, when carrying a weapon, had the "getting stopped" experience. The first thing one is asked is: ID please. I believe it is a part of law that one carries ID and the LEO has every right to ask one forID. If one doesn't have ID then the LEO is faced with a problem. After all, we must have laws which do protect us. Sure some are dumber than a pile of dog doo-doo but, they are there, they protect us and we must obey them. That is my point. Don't forget, an LEO is doing a very hard job and is putting his life on the line every minute he is on duty.

Colorado

sad

Sad, you say? Why? Why would anyone want to get into an argument with LEO's? It is a no win situation and, BTW, I am not one of those but, I have a lot of respect for anyone willing to take on that job.

If someone is going to carry just to see how far they can go and then not co-operate with LEO's, he or she needs some professional help in the worest way. A person could wind up dead thataway.

Colorado
 
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