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State universities to arm police with assault rifles. The Arizona Republic

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Flintlock wrote:
imperialism2024 wrote:
If they were truly concerned about increasing the reach of campus police officers' guns, the most economical answer would be to issue Kel-Tec Sub-rifles (<$300) that fold into a 16"x4"x1", lightweight (4lb) package that uses the same mags as their pistols. Alas, those are only semi-auto, so they wouldn't be cool new toys for the soldier wannabees.
This would make a lot more sense financially and in practicalityif they went this route becauseIthink those little kel-tec carbines definitelyhave their advantages.But I have a problem with this whole idea in the first place. In principle, I think going the "police-state" route and giving the campus soldiersever greater power projection is just another cop-out and feel-good move designed to repel the notion that students possessing the ability to defend themselves may actually be the best solution to an ever growing issue...


I think it's a good start. I'd like for the campus police to be able to engage at a distance. As the perp may be seen from a distance too far to be effectively engaged with a handgun. If only one life is saved by an earlier engagement, the cost is worth it.

I do believe this should not be the end point of the issue. The students that have the right to carry off campus should be allowed to carry on campus.
 

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LEO 229,

But now with so many students killing others on campus...

Hold on a moment: are you sure there's really a long-term increase in the number of post-secondary shootings? These things have always been, and continue to be, fairly rare events, so the law of small numbers probably applies.

I suspect that it's more an issue of increased publicity; can anybody find some actual stats to help us out here?

Yes.... I had viewed a website that posted every similar attack at a school over the past 100 years.

The years in between each event became shorter and shorter. I suspect the media giving the a shooter his 15 minutes of fame would make this ideal for those that want to be known and remembered by all.
 

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Hence an unfounded assertion of universality, 'posted every similar attack over the last 100 years' and with no opportunity to compare our knowledge to your bald assertion and conclusion. The epitome of 'secret knowledge' argument from authority. What are we, "chopped liver?"

PENALTY FLAG

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$
 

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Doug Huffman wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Yes.... I had viewed a website that posted every similar attack at a school over the past 100 years.

The years in between each event became shorter and shorter. I suspect the media giving the a shooter his 15 minutes of fame would make this ideal for those that want to be known and remembered by all.
qft

QFT = Quickly Find Text??

Here Doug....

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/school_violence/school_shootings.html

This link has a recent time-line of only the most recent shootings.
 

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LEO 229 wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
LEO 229 wrote:
Yes.... I had viewed a website that posted every similar attack at a school over the past 100 years.

The years in between each event became shorter and shorter. I suspect the media giving the a shooter his 15 minutes of fame would make this ideal for those that want to be known and remembered by all.
qft
QFT = Quickly Find Text??

Here Doug....

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

This link has a recent time-line of only the most recent shootings.
QFT = Quoted For Truth You said "past 100 years" and made a conclusion based on too sparse data and refer me/us to an even sparser data set when it is challenged.

Remember Bellesiles? He used exactly the same dis-honest methods to acquire his notoriety.
 

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From all the school massacres reported over history all over the world.....

We have gone from 4 digit days.... to 3.... then 2.... andrecentlysingle digit days between school mass shooting. Thesedates do notinclude thesingle one on one fights. These areall school shooting massacres.

1988 was the last year where there was a 4 digit number of days between a shooting.This means that the shooting after 1988 happen at least every 2.7 years or less.

1950 = 1
1960 = 1
1970 = 7
1980 = 5
1990 = 16
2000 = 29 (We still have1.8 years to go)

So over the past 20 years.... shooting now happen at a greater frequency.

07/26/1764
Days in between = 0 (First incident)

9/15/1959
Days in between = 71,175

8/1/1966
Days in between = 2,512

5/4/1970
Days in between = 1,372

5/8/1970
Days in between = 4

5/14/1970
Days in between = 6

5/15/1970
Days in between = 1

5/28/1975
Days in between = 1,839

10/27/1975
Days in between = 152

7/12/1976
Days in between = 259

1/20/1983
Days in between = 2,383

5/20/1988
Days in between = 1,947

1/17/1989
Days in between = 242

1/24/1989
Days in between = 7

12/6/1989
Days in between = 316

11/1/1991
Days in between = 695

8/24/1992
Days in between = 297

12/14/1992
Days in between = 112

4/4/1994
Days in between = 476

1/1/1995
Days in between = 272

2/2/1996
Days in between = 397

3/13/1996
Days in between = 40

3/30/1997
Days in between = 382

10/1/1997
Days in between = 185

12/1/1997
Days in between = 61

3/24/1998
Days in between = 113

5/21/1998
Days in between = 58

2/19/1999
Days in between = 274

4/20/1999
Days in between = 60

4/28/1999
Days in between = 8

5/20/1999
Days in between = 22

3/5/2001
Days in between = 655

1/16/2002
Days in between = 317

4/26/2002
Days in between = 100

10/21/2002
Days in between = 178

7/3/2003
Days in between = 255

9/24/2003
Days in between = 83

2/3/2004
Days in between = 132

9/28/2004
Days in between = 238

3/21/2005
Days in between = 174

11/8/2005
Days in between = 232

9/13/2006
Days in between = 309

9/27/2006
Days in between = 14

9/29/2006
Days in between = 2

10/2/2006
Days in between = 3

11/20/2006
Days in between = 49

1/3/2007
Days in between = 44

1/25/2007
Days in between = 22

4/16/2007
Days in between = 81

5/23/2007
Days in between = 37

9/21/2007
Days in between = 121

10/10/2007
Days in between = 19

11/7/2007
Days in between = 28

12/12/2007
Days in between = 35

2/7/2008
Days in between = 57

2/8/2008
Days in between = 1

2/11/2008
Days in between = 3

2/12/2008
Days in between = 1

2/14/2008
Days in between = 2

3/6/2008
Days in between = 21
 

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Check the links for yourself.... I counted up what was posted after compiling only those events that were mass school shootings.

You simply "Can't handle the truth!" :D
 

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Ms. Kelly wrote...

"I don't think the police are going to target students," Kelly said. "If they (the guns) aren't visible, most won't really know about them.

Now if we could just get her and the other anti's to think more along this thought :

"I don't think theconcealedhandgun licensed peopleare going to target students," Kelly said. "If they (the guns) aren't visible, most won't really know about them.

Then we might get somewhere...
 

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Lthrnck wrote:
Ms. Kelly wrote...

"I don't think the police are going to target students," Kelly said. "If they (the guns) aren't visible, most won't really know about them.

Now if we could just get her and the other anti's to think more along this thought :

"I don't think theconcealedhandgun licensed peopleare going to target students," Kelly said. "If they (the guns) aren't visible, most won't really know about them.

Then we might get somewhere...
Summed up my thoughts pretty well....
 

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Lthrnck wrote:
Ms. Kelly wrote...

"I don't think the police are going to target students," Kelly said. "If they (the guns) aren't visible, most won't really know about them.

Now if we could just get her and the other anti's to think more along this thought :

"I don't think theconcealedhandgun licensed peopleare going to target students," Kelly said. "If they (the guns) aren't visible, most won't really know about them.

Then we might get somewhere...
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